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So I've downloaded FFXIV and am going to start playing again for Shadowbringers, but I basically missed all of Stormblood. I've looked up the new changes coming with Stormbringers but does anyone know of a "so you missed Stormblood, here's what will be relevant going forward" guide? Also does anyone know of/have a cliff notes version of the quirky mechanics in the various dungeons/primal fights. I'm sure vague recollection will fill in some details but I've not touched any of the Stormblood ones and it's usually just easier to be prepared ahead of time than toss the coin of telling the party you're "new".
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Jun 27, 2019 16:17
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Firstborn posted:I hope Danny Devito plays Alphinaud in the actual, real life, no joking FFXIV live action television series on Netflix that is coming. Also Alisaie TUPAC is DGKK
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Jun 27, 2019 16:18
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Firstborn posted:I hope Danny Devito plays Alphinaud in the actual, real life, no joking FFXIV live action television series on Netflix that is coming. "What the gently caress's a 'Carbuncle'?"
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Jun 27, 2019 16:20
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nessin posted:So I've downloaded FFXIV and am going to start playing again for Shadowbringers, but I basically missed all of Stormblood. I've looked up the new changes coming with Stormbringers but does anyone know of a "so you missed Stormblood, here's what will be relevant going forward" guide? There's a lot of dungeons, if you've got a second monitor or don't mind quickly tabbing out the various wikis have boss summary sections for each dungeon and trial and it's probably easier to just pull that up than have someone summarize them all here. https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/The_Sirensong_Sea here's the one for the first dungeon.
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Jun 27, 2019 16:23
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Relax Or DIE posted:Also so I can look smart in front of my friends how do you pronounce goetia? Apparently there are multiple options: go-ETT-ee-uh, go-EE-tee-uh, go-EE-shee-uh, or go-EE-shuh. I'll go with go-EE-shuh as I'm an incredibly busy person and don't have time for a fourth syllable.
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Jun 27, 2019 16:50
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Nietzsche posted:Apparently there are multiple options: go-ETT-ee-uh, go-EE-tee-uh, go-EE-shee-uh, or go-EE-shuh. I'm partial to GOAT-see e: it's got a ring to it
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Jun 27, 2019 17:19
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Kaubocks posted:i'm no theorycrafter, and i need to wait for all the mch mains to start doing the math once the game goes live, BUT That seems really weird-- surely the cooldown reduction on Ricochet and Gauss Round would push things back into Heat Blast's favor. Hearing that you can only ever get five Heat Blasts inside of Overcharge is great, though; seems like it would address a lot of the wailing and gnashing of teeth about how difficult and ping-reliant it'd be to fit six Heat Blasts inside Overcharge.
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Jun 27, 2019 17:21
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Nietzsche posted:Apparently there are multiple options: go-ETT-ee-uh, go-EE-tee-uh, go-EE-shee-uh, or go-EE-shuh. I think it's supposed to be go-ETT-ee-ah. From wikipedia : The Ancient Greek word γοητεία (goēteía) means "charm, jugglery, sorcery" .
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Jun 27, 2019 17:21
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shadowbungus.............
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Jun 27, 2019 17:25
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smokestersky posted:So with the BLM updates (buffs to me), it looks like we can get up to 5 flares in a row! When you’re doing an AoE rotation, I think the idea is that after your last Flare you’ll actually be using Freeze now since it will both give you UI3 *and* a single Umbral Heart, meaning you can totally skip the Blizzard 4 cast before you go right into fire and start spamming more Flares.
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Jun 27, 2019 17:30
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Philonius posted:I think it's supposed to be go-ETT-ee-ah. From wikipedia : The Ancient Greek word γοητεία (goēteía) means "charm, jugglery, sorcery" . So they're tomestones of juggling.
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Jun 27, 2019 17:30
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mrfishstick posted:When you’re doing an AoE rotation, I think the idea is that after your last Flare you’ll actually be using Freeze now since it will both give you UI3 *and* a single Umbral Heart, meaning you can totally skip the Blizzard 4 cast before you go right into fire and start spamming more Flares. I glanced at BLM channel on the Balance and apparently triple Flare might be standard for the AOE rotation-- one Flare to get out of Umbral Ice and into Astral Fire, and then your standard two in the Fire phase. So like: (in Astral Fire with Umbral Hearts) Flare -> Flare -> Freeze -> (Foul if available) -> Thunder 4 -> Flare -> (go to start) Please look Flareward to it.
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Jun 27, 2019 17:33
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small bird pudding posted:So they're tomestones of juggling. Clearly mime will be our next limited job then.
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Jun 27, 2019 17:39
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In less spectacularly explosive news, over on SMN garuda's auto attacks are now aoe. Thats a thing.
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Jun 27, 2019 17:39
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Cabbit posted:I glanced at BLM channel on the Balance and apparently triple Flare might be standard for the AOE rotation-- one Flare to get out of Umbral Ice and into Astral Fire, and then your standard two in the Fire phase. Are you sure? I've only seen 2:1 Flare:Freeze rotations.
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Jun 27, 2019 17:43
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Cabbit posted:That seems really weird-- surely the cooldown reduction on Ricochet and Gauss Round would push things back into Heat Blast's favor. fitting six heat blasts wasn't really the problem, it's that 6 heat blasts = 3 full gauss round/ricochet charges so you're overcapping on charges unless you can weave between a 1.5 gcd which some people just can't do due to ping doing basic rear end napkin math is tough to suss out, because i'm not a theorycrafter. 4 hits of basic combo under overheat is like 1380 potency, but you also gain 20 heat and 10 battery. meanwhile 5 hits of heat blast under overheat is only 1100, but you get 600~ potency worth of gauss round and ricochet charges. it'll take someone doing some crunching to figure out if the heat and battery gain of the main combo make it worthwhile this is if hypercharge has animation lock at all, of course
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Jun 27, 2019 17:43
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I figured they would, but it's nice to have confirmation there is in fact a special quest that only happens if you complete all the Role Quests. And also all the Class changes are great.
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Jun 27, 2019 17:44
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Sleng Teng posted:The wait for this expansion is a rollercoaster of emotions. PLD looks absolutely amazing, I was fully ready to switch to WAR but it lost its ability to be basically invincible during trash pulls, and then PLD gained...well...everything it needed.
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Jun 27, 2019 17:49
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It sounds like I won't have trouble leveling healers at least.
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Jun 27, 2019 17:51
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hobbesmaster posted:In less spectacularly explosive news, over on SMN garuda's auto attacks are now aoe. Thats a thing. Yeah garuda’s our aoe pet and ifrit’s our single target pet now, instead of the old paradigm of Garuda being our caster pet and ifrit being our physical pet.
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Jun 27, 2019 17:51
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Ouhei posted:PLD looks absolutely amazing, I was fully ready to switch to WAR but it lost its ability to be basically invincible during trash pulls, and then PLD gained...well...everything it needed. Yeah, it's incredible. My body is ready for confiteor direct crits  I wonder how damage numbers will compare between classes. Paladin's spammable AOE spell is 250 potency, which is Flare but without the damage falloff. How much is 100 potency for a PLD, compared to a BLM>?> Philonius fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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Jun 27, 2019 17:54
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Ibblebibble posted:Are you sure? I've only seen 2:1 Flare:Freeze rotations. It looks right, it’s (assuming you’re going from UI3 with at least 1 heart): Flare #1 - Free since a new trait causes fire spells to have 0 MP cost while in UI3 Flare #2 - Consumes Umbral Hearts and most of your MP Flare #3 - Consumes remaining MP at “full cost” At this point you use the same trait that made your first flare free, to swap back into UI3 using Freeze and then it’s just dumping fouls and repeat.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:05
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Elmon posted:Any tips for getting to ilvl 360 quickly? I'm currently at 345 and hoping to get to 360 today so I can finish the msq Not do the MSQ and get gear through the story. They always end up giving you high level gear to people catching up on the previous expansions story. Barring that, using your poetics to get a set of ilvl 390 gear I guess.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:08
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Ibblebibble posted:Are you sure? I've only seen 2:1 Flare:Freeze rotations. Yeah, it's something that seems to have just come up. Apparently Flare beats Fire 3 on six targets and it's equal on five.. but it's Flare, so I'll probably use it on three. 
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Jun 27, 2019 18:16
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I'll use Flare on 2. Or whatever the new version of it is... despair?
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Jun 27, 2019 18:30
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jokes posted:I'll use Flare on 2. Or whatever the new version of it is... despair? Yeah, Despair. Which reminds me that there's a triple Despair opener, too. Good time to be a black mage.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:32
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1 Target BLM (no oGCDs): B3 > T3 > B4 > F3 > F4 > F4 > Despair > F4 > F4 > Despair Xenoglossy takes the place of Foul during your UI phase. At 2 or more targets, you switch Xenoglossy back for Foul. At 3 or more targets, swap T3 for T4. 5+ Target BLM (no oGCDs): Freeze > T4 > F3 > Flare > Flare > B3 Stuff gets a little fluffier if you include your various other utility buttons, but level 80 core BLM "rotation" is simpler than ever now which is great. Consider investing in Ethers
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Jun 27, 2019 18:46
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Ouhei posted:PLD looks absolutely amazing, I was fully ready to switch to WAR but it lost its ability to be basically invincible during trash pulls Did it? It was due to Steel Cyclone, right? Doesn't Nascent Flash do the same thing, just about? Well, I don't know the math.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:47
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Is there any reason I shouldn't use a jump potion for my CNJ, just to be done with the msq?
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Jun 27, 2019 18:53
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SmallpoxJenkins posted:Is there any reason I shouldn't use a jump potion for my CNJ, just to be done with the msq? Because using a jump potion on your CNJ won't finish the MSQ. e: There's a separate story skip potion you need for MSQ stuff. Job potions only give you job + appropriate gear.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:54
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Bobfly posted:Did it? It was due to Steel Cyclone, right? Doesn't Nascent Flash do the same thing, just about? Well, I don't know the math. Only for a limited period. Realistically, Steel Cyclone didn't really matter past a certain point anyways, since you'd eventually start spamming Decimate for the potency gain.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:54
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drat, it was nice to inner release -> Steel Cyclone so the white mage was free to holy spam on trash.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:57
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Emalde posted:1 Target BLM (no oGCDs): I think the double Despair rotation isn't intended for long term use because it'll start to gently caress up your Xenoglossy/Thunder timing after awhile-- it's something you switch to if you need a shorter Fire phase to hit a timing/squeeze in damage before a boss goes invuln/fit inside a buff window.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:58
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DontMindMe posted:drat, it was nice to inner release -> Steel Cyclone so the white mage was free to holy spam on trash. Popping that with Nascent Flash should still do similar.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:59
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DontMindMe posted:drat, it was nice to inner release -> Steel Cyclone so the white mage was free to holy spam on trash. That was never really optimal unless you were both undergeared or your party DPS stank. Even if you held off on popping Inner Release until Stun DR kicked in, the amount of potency you lost from Defiance's penalty and Steel Cyclone's lower innate potency wasn't worth it when a WHM could keep you in the black trivially without expending too many GCDs or clipping too badly.
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Jun 27, 2019 19:01
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Even with ability to remove that penalty? drat I'm a terrible warrior
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Jun 27, 2019 19:03
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Cabbit posted:I think the double Despair rotation isn't intended for long term use because it'll start to gently caress up your Xenoglossy/Thunder timing after awhile-- it's something you switch to if you need a shorter Fire phase to hit a timing/squeeze in damage before a boss goes invuln/fit inside a buff window. Starting from 10k MP: UH F3 = 800 UH Despair = 3333 You now have ~5k MP left for casts after [UH F3*2 + UH Desp]. At this point, each F4 costs 1600. Despair presumably works similarly to Flare where if you have around 1k leftover you can cast it. You can either cast [F3*3] or you can trade that final F3 for a Despair, but either way you're out of mana after three casts. Despair should always be a DPS gain over F3 since it's only .2 extra on the cast time. E: oh i see the error, Despair doesn't actually have a UH perk like Flare does 
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Jun 27, 2019 19:07
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DontMindMe posted:Even with ability to remove that penalty? drat I'm a terrible warrior I wouldn't say that. It's hard to judge the true effectiveness of actions in a game like FFXIV simply by feel. You'll occasionally see PLD tanks blowing Clemency on dungeon bosses when they drop below 50%, even when the healer's still got plenty of oGCDs left or is waiting for a few seconds on the cooldown. It's completely unnecessary, but it feels good to see your own HP bar rocket up and think that you rescued yourself from disaster.
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Jun 27, 2019 19:08
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I can never make heads or tails of abilities until I actually use them, for some reason, so despite maining blm since I started, I still don’t quite get when to use despair. Can’t wait to play so I can grok everything!
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Jun 27, 2019 19:13
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Vermain posted:I wouldn't say that. It's hard to judge the true effectiveness of actions in a game like FFXIV simply by feel. You'll occasionally see PLD tanks blowing Clemency on dungeon bosses when they drop below 50%, even when the healer's still got plenty of oGCDs left or is waiting for a few seconds on the cooldown. It's completely unnecessary, but it feels good to see your own HP bar rocket up and think that you rescued yourself from disaster. I love it when a PLD does that at 55% health ensuring that the excog goes off between pulls.
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Jun 27, 2019 19:16
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