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Emalde posted:
Despair benefits from Umbral Hearts. As for 'math it out', I'm just going by stuff I've read on The Balance. There's stuff in the BLM channel pins about it, plus this spreadsheet.
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Cabbit posted:Despair benefits from Umbral Hearts. As for 'math it out', I'm just going by stuff I've read on The Balance. There's stuff in the BLM channel pins about it, plus this spreadsheet. Oh cool, thanks for this. My actual math error then is using 3*UH value for Despair instead of 1*UH, so you only get two spells at the end. Either way you're only going to use the "core" rotation without oGCDs once or twice before going back to weaving them after the opener which means you end up doing other things, but good to know I was almost right 
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aers posted:That's all well and good but here's what the framerate limiter does to my FPS I make no assumptions about your system, but found that FFXIV really freaks the gently caress out when you set an FPS limiter at the driver level, and then also set one in-game. In my case, it was NVidia's thing that they lock behind a login, but gently caress logging in to GFE just for that.
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So as someone who sat out on Stormblood, how did Red Mages turn out? That was the class I was looking forward to in the hype before I took my last break. I'm probably going to keep on keeping on my Warrior when I get back in game, but I've been thinking about what I'm leveling up second/third and it's kind of a toss up between RDM, SUM, or MCH.
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DeathSandwich posted:So as someone who sat out on Stormblood, how did Red Mages turn out? That was the class I was looking forward to in the hype before I took my last break. I'm probably going to keep on keeping on my Warrior when I get back in game, but I've been thinking about what I'm leveling up second/third and it's kind of a toss up between RDM, SUM, or MCH. Red Mage is a very simple class with a nice rhythm and excellent utility for progression groups (easy access to insta-cast raise and a decent healing spell). It's also easy to solo with, thanks to that healing spell and its high mobility. Its main quirks are: - Dualcast: Every spell you cast that has a cast time makes your next spell instant. This means you're constantly bouncing back and forth between a casted spell and an instant one, which is what gives the job its fun rhythm and its mobility. - Melee combo: As you cast spells, you build up a secondary set of resources (white and black mana) that you use to execute a powerful melee combo, which finishes off with a big flashy spell. I like it a lot, and it looks like Shadowbringers is keeping it pretty much intact, just with a few new flashy spells and more fun AoE. That said, if you like a complex rotation, you might find it a little too straightforward.
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DeathSandwich posted:So as someone who sat out on Stormblood, how did Red Mages turn out? That was the class I was looking forward to in the hype before I took my last break. I'm probably going to keep on keeping on my Warrior when I get back in game, but I've been thinking about what I'm leveling up second/third and it's kind of a toss up between RDM, SUM, or MCH. They're good. They're probably the simplest DPS class, but they have a proc-based rotation, flashy aesthetics (the dive in -> dive out part of your rotation), and small optimizations that keep them interesting. They've got solid utility with instant Verraise and the occasional Vercure. They're rarely an unwelcome addition to progression groups or pub trials/raids.
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DeathSandwich posted:So as someone who sat out on Stormblood, how did Red Mages turn out? That was the class I was looking forward to in the hype before I took my last break. I'm probably going to keep on keeping on my Warrior when I get back in game, but I've been thinking about what I'm leveling up second/third and it's kind of a toss up between RDM, SUM, or MCH. I played a lot of RDM during SB - they're a very accessible, very mobile dps class. Lots of flash, you can zoom in and out of melee really easily. The rotation is very easy to grasp, with just enough of a skill ceiling to push for optimal dps without feeling overwhelming. They're not going to top meters, generally (they're probably the lowest among the caster DPS), but they bring a ton of utility - in particular, instant cast rez on demand. So, they're super important for progression in particular. The worst part of the class was the boring/clunky AOE, and they've improved on that in ShB so it should be a great class to pick up.
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DeathSandwich posted:So as someone who sat out on Stormblood, how did Red Mages turn out? That was the class I was looking forward to in the hype before I took my last break. I'm probably going to keep on keeping on my Warrior when I get back in game, but I've been thinking about what I'm leveling up second/third and it's kind of a toss up between RDM, SUM, or MCH. Very good. Alright damage, feels well designed and fun to play at just about any level, Vercure is beefy enough of a heal to make you incredibly survivable and might even save a life in group play (if poo poo has gone catastrophically sideways), Verraise is very useful. Shadowbringers is not loving with that formula-- it's just adding some QoL changes (some spells that chain off other spells now share a button), better AoE, and another big gently caress-off nuke to cap your weaponskill chain off with.
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In addition to what everyone else has said, RDM have the best hat.
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I think I'm going to have a really hard time choosing between RDM and SMN when it's time for me to level a caster in Shadowbringers. SMN was my 2.0 main and RDM was my 4.0 main, and while GNB has stolen my heart, both RDM and SMN look like a blast in 5.0 as well.
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Jun 27, 2019 19:50
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Me, I just can't wait to start dancing at 2:00 PST. Although GNB does look like a lot of fun tooooooooo.......
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Jun 27, 2019 20:00
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I think really the choice for me right now is between RDM and MCH. SUM was on the list because SCH was my primary healer so it made sense, but I'm not sure if I want to level *that* right away. I don't think I've ever been terribly interested in SUM, it was just convenient when I already had SCH healing to just swap over and kit for that. I don't know though, maybe I ought to be giving Dancer a look as well, that could be a fun experience in and of itself.
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Jun 27, 2019 20:04
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All you other fancy casters are fine and all, but there’s only one spell slinger for me:
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Jun 27, 2019 20:06
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The real thing that makes me excited for Gunbreaker is the whole Continuation combo thing, which just looks like such a satisfying "RIP AND TEAR" moment that I just know I'm going to look forward to it every time it's up.
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Jun 27, 2019 20:10
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I think I'm coming down with some gameitis and will miss work tomorrow...
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Jun 27, 2019 20:13
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Kaubocks posted:i'm no theorycrafter, and i need to wait for all the mch mains to start doing the math once the game goes live, BUT If the job guide descriptions of actions are accurate, MCH seems completely braindead now and the only reason to do anything other during overcharge than heat blast spam like some kind of lame knock-off warrior is if your Drill or Air Anchor come off cooldown, since those still count for both overcharge and wildfire and you'd want to keep them on cooldown, though I imagine there's some breakpoint for where it's worth delaying it. Like it seems fairly obvious gaining 150 potency from the heat blast cooldown resets would be worth delaying for one global. We'll know more tomorrow.
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Jun 27, 2019 20:24
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My only class over 30 is SCH so the 5.0 changes are... not exciting to me.
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Jun 27, 2019 20:24
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Vermain posted:I wouldn't say that. It's hard to judge the true effectiveness of actions in a game like FFXIV simply by feel. You'll occasionally see PLD tanks blowing Clemency on dungeon bosses when they drop below 50%, even when the healer's still got plenty of oGCDs left or is waiting for a few seconds on the cooldown. It's completely unnecessary, but it feels good to see your own HP bar rocket up and think that you rescued yourself from disaster. No part of wasting a gcd and loving up your holy spirit feels good.
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Jun 27, 2019 20:26
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As much as I want to main RDM for ShB (the AoE changes look soooo good) I also really want to play DRK and DNC so badly.
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DNC looks fun as hell, but I'm probably gonna level BRD and DRK first, at the very least. Probably AST too.
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Zelmel posted:My only class over 30 is SCH so the 5.0 changes are... not exciting to me. That means you also have SMN which looks like fun.
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Jun 27, 2019 20:32
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I skipped most of SB, did SAM end up in as weak a place as people say/ does it look to be getting any better with ShB?
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People regularly call SAM the best-designed class in Stormblood. e: They're wrong, it's BRD, but it's fun nevertheless.
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ReWinter posted:I skipped most of SB, did SAM end up in as weak a place as people say/ does it look to be getting any better with ShB? I have been playing SAM since it's going to be my class for shb and its really fun, lot of spamming ogcd between attacks, the way hagakure works means you want to use it right away if you have the seals because of how setsugekka works, having a really easy dash you can get enough kenki for off of the ranged attack, sam are just really coherent. The attack you get from meditate seems lame but its alright since the stacks last for 30 seconds and everything else seems great in shb so i'm happy.
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ReWinter posted:I skipped most of SB, did SAM end up in as weak a place as people say/ does it look to be getting any better with ShB? SAM's main, if not only, weakness was their lack of raid utility. They were second to Black Mage in damage, so their personal dps was fine. I know a few SAM mains that were quite successful in raiding, but they did have a stimga from the meta-comp only crowd. They're great to play though. They were super mobile, and had a rapid pace without going into stupid Mech or Ninja burst phases.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:SAM's main, if not only, weakness was their lack of raid utility. They were second to Black Mage in damage, so their personal dps was fine. I know a few SAM mains that were quite successful in raiding, but they did have a stimga from the meta-comp only crowd. and realistically, in certain fights a samurai being able to dump a whole bunch of damage on something in a short period of time was a utility in and of itself.
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hobbesmaster posted:That means you also have SMN which looks like fun. Yes, but I don't have gear for SMN, which is annoying. Still, the SMN changes should make swapping over nice. SMN for leveling, SCH for dungeons is what I'll probably do if I don't just go whole-hog on some other class and distract myself from actual progression toward the new content.
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Jun 27, 2019 21:07
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DRK looks pretty spicy in the "rip and tear" department. Just bank up some blood and then go to town.
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Vote in my cool poll, goons https://www.strawpoll.me/18236422
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:and realistically, in certain fights a samurai being able to dump a whole bunch of damage on something in a short period of time was a utility in and of itself. Yeah. One thing I'm looking forward to is doing this during a single Trick window: Kaiten Midarre Setsugekka, Hissatsu: Senei, Kaeshi: Setsugekka, Meikyo Shisui -> Kasha, Kaiten Higanbana. If my math is right, that's 6712 potency in 4 GCDs. You can probably throw a Shoha in there, as well as using Ikishoten to dump a couple Shintens as well.
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Mymla posted:Vote in my cool poll, goons you should use a google form so you can see what class people are coming from
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Voted Blue because I constantly alternate between Tank and Healer and don't really consider either the 'main'.
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Zelmel posted:Yes, but I don't have gear for SMN, which is annoying. Still, the SMN changes should make swapping over nice. SMN for leveling, SCH for dungeons is what I'll probably do if I don't just go whole-hog on some other class and distract myself from actual progression toward the new content. Shouldn't take too long to ggear yourself using poetics tomestones.
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Mymla posted:Vote in my cool poll, goons Well, the one silver lining for me is that I fully expect to see this come out with more tanks than healers so maybe I'll get that sweet sweet adventurer in need bonus for a while.
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 So ... why would you cast Scatter over Verthunder 2 or Veraero 2 before upgrading it at 66? It doesn't hit harder, it doesn't cast faster and it gives you less mana. Am I missing something here? E: Also, it's going to be real awkward to be synced down to a level where you have VT2 but not VA2, which I think is the case in Copperbell and Halatali (E2: also Sastasha and Tam-Tara, apparently). Oh well, I guess no one aoes in those dungeons anyhow. Xerophyte fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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You're not missing anything, it doesn't make sense.
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Xerophyte posted:
quote:All descriptions are based on action attributes and bonuses attained by level 80. quote:Enhanced Contre Sixte Presumably the two skills are less than 120 below level 78.
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Found it, level 78 trait increases the potency of veraero and verthunder II to 120. Dunno what the potencies are before that. E: f, b.
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Enhanced Contre Sixte (at 78) buffs Veraero2/Verthunder2 up to 120 pot from whatever it is at base.
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Ah, that makes sense. I thought I looked at traits, but apparently glazed over Contre Sixte because why would that impact Verthunder...
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