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IShallRiseAgain posted:There was a really weird creepy trend of that at the time. Adventure Time had it too, and I felt like another show did it. Regular Show? Korra? (Even though neither have the "the entire cast's age is in the single digits" problem, they're in the spirit of having bizarrely complicated relationship plots that don't matter to anything). edit: I remember thinking "oh okay not having a perfect relationship forever with the first person you love isn't a bad message to send to kids" but when it got to the third show with this theme I started to wonder. mycot fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Jun 26, 2019 |
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I liked how Gravity Falls made fun of that trope though, as later they go back in time and meet toddler versions of Wendy and her friend. Her friend tells Dipper that Wendy has a crush on him, and he realises just how creepy his crush really was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOFEidFNqSQ&t=6s Skipped past an obnoxious intro on the youtube channel.
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Shipping is crack to a certain target audience, many of whom have grown up and started making their own shows. That and a lot of creators like to play out their own clumsy relationship history, Adventure Time wasn't subtle there.
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You’re going to see more exploration of kids in relationships because cartoons these days are exploring relationships, period. But yeah that’s not to say that writers aren’t also shippers/grappling with their own issues.
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mycot posted:Regular Show? Korra? (Even though neither have the "the entire cast's age is in the single digits" problem, they're in the spirit of having bizarrely complicated relationship plots that don't matter to anything). No, I'm more thinking of spending a bunch of time on a romance between a 12-13 year old boy and a much older girl. The joke in season 2 more seemed like the creators realizing how creepy it was after realizing how creepy it was in season 1.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:No, I'm more thinking of spending a bunch of time on a romance between a 12-13 year old boy and a much older girl. The joke in season 2 more seemed like the creators realizing how creepy it was after realizing how creepy it was in season 1. It was pretty one-sided from the start, but pretty much yeah. I get the feeling at least some of that was deliberate. I loved the episode with the unicorn.
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The worst part about the whole Wendy crush subplot were the folks who say that if you just give it a couple more years, the whole relationship is gonna be fine. It's just mired in the belief that a Nice Guy deserves to get the girl as a reward for patiently waiting for her to notice him or whatever. It also ignores how the girl wants or feels about all of this, not to mention how creepy it is if you consider it as the older person waiting for the younger one to grow older for them to date.TwoPair posted:I mean, a major theme of the show is about growing up and part of that is having a bunch of crushes on people you'll never ever have a shot with. Plus it did go somewhere and was basically resolved when Dipper and Wendy had their honest conversation where Wendy told him it's never gonna happen but he's a good kid. I wonder if Roadside Attraction where Dipper had some leftover feelings for Wendy was Alex Hirsch suffering from creative burnout or if he did it to completely stomp on the thing so people would stop shipping it.
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mycot posted:Regular Show? honestly I feel like Regular Show handled it the best, even if some of the episodes were ropey, just because the characters explicitly aren't kids. they're like, early 20s-ish.
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And even then, it kinda monopolized the second to last season a bit.
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I will watch this, but will probably not pay money for it. Yay socialism. Does Disney put really low quality versions of their show on Comcast on demand? Amphibia looks like absolute poo poo, with like visible pixels. I guess it did steer me to their app, though. Edit: DuckTales looked great, so ?
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That trailer doesn't get me excited to see the movie in particular, but the comments section does provide me with the sweet schadenfreude that gives me life.Beachcomber posted:Does Disney put really low quality versions of their show on Comcast on demand? Amphibia looks like absolute poo poo, with like visible pixels. I guess it did steer me to their app, though. Don't know about Comcast but I know on AT&T at least that every on demand TV show is poo poo outside of the major networks. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Jun 26, 2019 |
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I guess the biggest part of what got me uncomfortable about Gravity Falls's romance subplots was both how much time the show spends on it without a real payoff, and the fact that at the end of the day I don't really want to follow some 12 year old romance. It's a lose/lose scenario. It gets weirdest with the Roadside Attraction episode where it only makes sense as some kind of extended metaphor for things that 12 year olds don't do. LORD OF BOOTY posted:honestly I feel like Regular Show handled it the best, even if some of the episodes were ropey, just because the characters explicitly aren't kids. they're like, early 20s-ish. Mordecai was a weird loser about girls, but Rigby, Muscleman, High-Five Ghost, and even briefly Benson managed to have totally fine relationships. I just kinda have a limit to how much angst I can take, even though I can occasionally enjoy a love story, and I sure as hell don't wanna see anything like the Adventure Time episode where Finn got a weird boner.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I just kinda have a limit to how much angst I can take, even though I can occasionally enjoy a love story, and I sure as hell don't wanna see anything like the Adventure Time episode where Finn got a weird boner. I feel like the show spent a lot more episodes on Finn being sad about breaking up with Flame Princess than it did on the actual relationship.
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From the commentaries, the only real reason that there were so many "Dipper's Crush" episodes was because Hirsch found it to be easy source of conflict that could instigate an episode. And to be fair to Hirsch, they got some great episodes out of those conflicts, like The Inconveniencing, The Time Traveller's Pig, and Double Dipper, but I don't think he or any of the crew anticipated just how grating it would be to watch week after week of Dipper pursing a hopeless crush—which is why they put it to rest in Season 2, after they'd started receiving audience feedback.
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Dipper never had a shot with Wendy and at no point is it ever played up as a legitimate romance subplot imo. All of Dippers worst moments in season 1 are when he does something idiotic, insensitive or outright selfish for a "shot" at Wendy, culminating in him getting yelled at for hitting on Wendy while she's crying over breaking up with Robbie literally 10 seconds prior. So I don't think the creators needed to realise it was creepy or anything cuz it was always dumb and immature on his part and something he needed to grow past. It's kinda the same for Finn's crush on PB, although I don't think its portrayed as quite as hopeless initially. I remember someone saying they hadn't realised how impossible it was until she turns back into her regular age at the end of Too Young and she's like twice his height.
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Too Young was the start of Adventure Time's downfall
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Adventure Time kind of muddies the waters on that whole thing specifically because they age her down at one point and they sort of date so Finn actually gets to realize his feelings for PB. Gravity Falls the closest they come to that sort of thing was the joke posted earlier where they go back in time and Wendy is younger than Dipper, and they specifically uses it to make a point that it's not a thing that will ever happen.
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I think what bugs a lot of people about the whole Wendy/Dipper thing is that it's basically a more awkward version of the whole Aang/Katara thing(which incidentally has the exact same age gap as the former)
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excuse me but he's really 112. wait.
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drrockso20 posted:I think what bugs a lot of people about the whole Wendy/Dipper thing is that it's basically a more awkward version of the whole Aang/Katara thing(which incidentally has the exact same age gap as the former) I thought I read somewhere that during the show Aang is "12" while Katara is 14. Not as big an age gap.
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Waffleman_ posted:I feel like the show spent a lot more episodes on Finn being sad about breaking up with Flame Princess than it did on the actual relationship. That sounds about right for a teenager's first relationship though.
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PhazonLink posted:excuse me but he's really 112. wow Avatar really is an anime.
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drrockso20 posted:Too Young was the start of Adventure Time's downfall i feel like if they'd had PB's age-down stick, it would have worked fine and honestly made that whole situation way less creepy. as it stands, bad vibes. e: like, part of it is for me that Finn doesn't really have any peers for a very large chunk of the show. the closest thing is Jake, who is explicitly way, way farther along in life than Finn. the whole thing with PB aging down feels like an unconscious acknowledgement that they'd been writing her as one of Finn's peers rather than someone who's older and wiser than him, and I don't think aging her back up and using it as an opportunity to tweak her character into that was really the right call, compared to keeping her as someone who can consistently interact with Finn at Finn's level. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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I disagree strongly, they couldn't have done all the really interesting character stuff they did with her as a ruler that they did if they'd kept her aged-down. She wasn't really much of a character until after that point. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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Well that looks great and I’m here for it. Christ, the comments though. 
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Nephthys posted:I disagree strongly, they couldn't have done all the really interesting character stuff they did with her as a ruler that they did if they'd kept her aged-down. That's actually another common complaint about the show, that PB's character changed way too much after Too Young from what it had been before
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:i feel like if they'd had PB's age-down stick, it would have worked fine and honestly made that whole situation way less creepy. as it stands, bad vibes. It seems to be a theme that Finn doesn't have any peers because he's one of the only humans left in a world that's long moved on from them, though. PB is kind of all over the place depending on the episode, acting like a mad scientist god-queen or a fettered ruler tied up by bureaucracy or a nerdy teenage girl. Adventure Time seems to have a core premise that's basically escapism, given its star is a boy living in the world's most awesome treehouse without any parents to tell him what to do but enough amenities and support to live comfortably and go on adventures. Which seems to result in him being rather... undirected in a lot of ways, especially since he turns out to be a full on masochist.
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amigolupus posted:I wonder if Roadside Attraction where Dipper had some leftover feelings for Wendy was Alex Hirsch suffering from creative burnout or if he did it to completely stomp on the thing so people would stop shipping it. IIRC Hirsch said he regrets not being more involved with that episode's script because he was too busy with the finale by that point. I'm not sure if he's outright said it, but I get the feeling he was not very happy with how that episode turned out. I think one of the other writers basically focused on that episode to let Hirsch concentrate on the finale and that's why it kind of feels out of place and weird in the 2B run.
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I watched Teen Titans back when it aired, but going back after TT:Go, the original designs look like weird fish people.
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The original Teen Titans is very mediocre without nostalgia filtering it.
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Ruflux posted:IIRC Hirsch said he regrets not being more involved with that episode's script because he was too busy with the finale by that point. I'm not sure if he's outright said it, but I get the feeling he was not very happy with how that episode turned out. I think one of the other writers basically focused on that episode to let Hirsch concentrate on the finale and that's why it kind of feels out of place and weird in the 2B run. As far as I'm aware no one likes that episode, there seems to be a near universal agreement that it's the worst episode in the show
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drrockso20 posted:As far as I'm aware no one likes that episode, there seems to be a near universal agreement that it's the worst episode in the show Which is unfortunate since the concept of Grunkle Stan and the kids driving around sabotaging other tourist traps was great, they just needed some other idea to pair it with.
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drrockso20 posted:As far as I'm aware no one likes that episode, there seems to be a near universal agreement that it's the worst episode in the show Can we state what ep rather than dancing around it?
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The_Doctor posted:Can we state what ep rather than dancing around it? amigolupus posted:The worst part about the whole Wendy crush subplot were the folks who say that if you just give it a couple more years, the whole relationship is gonna be fine. It's just mired in the belief that a Nice Guy deserves to get the girl as a reward for patiently waiting for her to notice him or whatever. It also ignores how the girl wants or feels about all of this, not to mention how creepy it is if you consider it as the older person waiting for the younger one to grow older for them to date.
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Gaunab posted:The original Teen Titans is very mediocre without nostalgia filtering it. I tried to go back and watch it and could barely make it through one episode. Show is not particularly good. 17yo me thought it was the poo poo. Now I just think it’s poo poo.
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drrockso20 posted:I think what bugs a lot of people about the whole Wendy/Dipper thing is that it's basically a more awkward version of the whole Aang/Katara thing(which incidentally has the exact same age gap as the former) Normally I'm a fan of the hero getting the girl, but in this case, I was on team Zutara. Was legit surprised when they went ahead and made Aang and Katara a couple at the end of the series since it's so...weird.
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Boo Zutara!
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This is why I love Invader Zim so much. Everyone hates each other and the world is poo poo.
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