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It was a time displaced ring, I believe the ownership of the ring has changed a few times across retcons.
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Booster also stole Braniac 5's force belt, so I assumed it was also a Legion flight ring left by Braniac 5 since he created them. E: Wikipedia says: quote:Booster Gold is one of the few known non-Legionnaires allowed to use a Legion flight ring. It is the only piece of equipment stolen from the Space Museum that survived to the most recent version of Booster's suit unscathed. Its origins differ slightly between the 1987 and the 2008 series, but in both origins, it is revealed that the ring originally was the one held by Brainiac 5. In the alternate continuity of the Legion of Super Heroes in the 31st Century series, Brainiac 5 himself arranged the events leading Booster to steal a random flight ring, knowing about his heroic life in the 21st century from historical sources
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Booster Gold is one of my favorite characters, but can anyone explain this discrepancy? I looked this up, 'cause I was curious. quote:Oddly, the 30th-century technology of the Legion of Super-Heroes ended up in the 25th-century Space Museum by way of the 20th-century. When Brainiac 5 accompanied several Legionnaires into the past in order to apprehend Booster Gold for crimes against time (in Booster Gold #8, 1986 and Booster Gold #9, 1986), Brainiac donated the technology to Ronald Reagan, sitting President of the United States, in order to save him from an assassination attempt. The equipment would be passed forward, finally resting in the Space Museum where they would be stolen by Booster Gold. In addition to being a time paradox, this also means that Booster's reliable Flight Ring is over 500 years old. From http://www.boosterrific.com/booster/powers.php which is a site that I love exists - but, as Rhyno says, that ring's story has probably changed a bunch over the years.
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Random Stranger posted:ZOOM is the guy in the wheelchair who got on the time machine treadmill requiring superspeed to activate, somehow turned it on, and then it exploded. He taaaaaaaaaaaaaalksssssss like thiiiis because he's unstuck in time. Professor Zoom the Reverse-Flash is a criminal from the twenty-fifth century who figured out how the Flash got his powers, duplicated it, and then went back in time to cause trouble. Barry choked him to death at his second wedding for murdering Barry's first wife which was probably for the best since the professor didn't do a great job of things and Barry's first wife was still alive just living in the thirtieth century which is ruled by a robotic Abraham Lincoln (something that never comes up in Legion comics for some weird reason). It's amazing that you could have made all of that up on the spot and it would still be very believable. So there's more than one Reverse Flash? I recently read a collection of Flash 28-32 where Flash is getting to grips with using the negative speed force, are there other types of speed force besides regular(?) and negative?
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Jun 28, 2019 08:02
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There's the Rival, the original Reverse Flash, ZOOM, New 52 Reverse Flash, Reverse Kid Flash (Inertia). I'm sure there's a Reverse Jesse Quick out there somewhere.
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Jun 28, 2019 08:06
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Rhyno posted:There's the Rival, the original Reverse Flash, ZOOM, New 52 Reverse Flash, Reverse Kid Flash (Inertia). I'm sure there's a Reverse Jesse Quick out there somewhere. I don't know if the names of the Flash's speed based enemies is lazy or if the speed based names are brilliant.
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Jun 28, 2019 08:14
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When is The Whizzer getting an ongoing?
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bessantj posted:I recently read a collection of Flash 28-32 where Flash is getting to grips with using the negative speed force, are there other types of speed force besides regular(?) and negative? As I came to understand it, the speed force was just, like, the pure cosmological essence of speed itself. As I recall it was part of The Source, which in DC comics continuity is the... well, source, of all that exists, and is the limitless energy behind all of life- the speed force was the speedy part, the source of all movement. Speedsters are people who have an unusual relationship with that force, and tapping into it is what gives them their powers. It was a way to connect the legacy of a bunch of speedster characters from throughout DC's history who all had different, not necessarily connected origins- with the introduction of the speed force, their origins were just individual events that had connected them to the same cosmic energy source. (Or, lent spiritual significance, awakened the speed force to their presence. Is the speed force sentient?  )Now, I don't know if I misunderstood what the speed force is, or if everybody at DC did, but after that it gets very confusing. I don't know how you have a "negative" version of that, or how you can trap people inside of it, or how there would be a city in there, or how it could be inside of Bart for a couple months, or how Barry could be "generating" it (? which he does by running, which I'm pretty sure he can only do because of it???). I think maybe it just doesn't make sense now.
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bessantj posted:It's amazing that you could have made all of that up on the spot and it would still be very believable. So there's more than one Reverse Flash? I recently read a collection of Flash 28-32 where Flash is getting to grips with using the negative speed force, are there other types of speed force besides regular(?) and negative? There's actually multiple forces now. Speed: go fast Negative speed: ...eats the speed force? Strength: related to gravity; get real beefy Sage: mental powers Still: inertia There may be other yet unrevealed forces as well. I swear to god, I just want to see Captain Cold do a few beers and try to hold the US Olympic curling team for ransom or something, not this nonsense. E: as for Reverse Flash(es); villain speedsters are just terrible at coming up with names. Professor Zoom has gone by Reverse Flash, a Doctor that got speed powers and started working for Grodd called herself that; black Wally's dad Daniel was Reverse-Flash. I think the latter two were both calling themselves that, independent of each other at the same time. LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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Jun 28, 2019 10:53
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Ghostlight posted:When is The Whizzer getting an ongoing? There's major concerns about kids imitating him and injecting themselves with mongoose blood. Cubone posted:I don't know how you have a "negative" version of that, or how you can trap people inside of it, or how there would be a city in there, or how it could be inside of Bart for a couple months, or how Barry could be "generating" it (? which he does by running, which I'm pretty sure he can only do because of it???). I think maybe it just doesn't make sense now. Trapping inside makes sense if it's part of the Source; there would just be a giant Flash head on the Source wall when that happened.
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Jun 28, 2019 12:52
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LadyPictureShow posted:There's actually multiple forces now. So Johns did for the Speed Force what he also did for the Lantern rings?
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Jun 28, 2019 13:00
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Dawgstar posted:So Johns did for the Speed Force what he also did for the Lantern rings? None of this is Johns. Flash needs a new writer and let it be soon
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Jun 28, 2019 14:35
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Cubone posted:I can start answering this question but I don't think I can finish it. Thanks, that kind of makes sense in as much as it can. LadyPictureShow posted:There's actually multiple forces now. How is there a black and white Wally, someone just not feeling creative one day? Also I like your Captain Cold idea.
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Jun 28, 2019 14:58
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Wally from pre-52 and current day murderer due to heroes in crisis and Wally who was inspired by the flash tv show and currently on teen titans
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Jun 28, 2019 16:11
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bessantj posted:Thanks, that kind of makes sense in as much as it can. Black Wally (well, 'Wallace' now that there's two of them) is a post-Flashpoint 'anomoly', and white Wally was stuck in the speed force and is tormented by memories of pre-Flashpoint stuff that doesn't exist anymore (like his kids) I'll let Wallace in the third panel explain:  Speaking of Wally and that Heroes in Crisis mini, despite setting up that time loop, is everyone still dead and that's why Wally went to jail? I wasn't completely clear on that.
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edit: didn't realize it was already answered.
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bobkatt013 posted:Wally from pre-52 and current day murderer due to heroes in crisis and Wally who was inspired by the flash tv show and currently on teen titans Thanks to you & LadyPictureShow. Also what now ^^?
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bessantj posted:Thanks to you & LadyPictureShow. Also what now ^^?  There was a recent miniseries called Heroes in Crisis, dealing with an incident at a sort of secret therapy safehouse established by Wonder Woman, Superman and Batman. (Basically, heroes and villains could go there, talk to robotic therapy staff and go into VR rooms to confront their trauma). Anyway, something happens, and Booster Gold and Harley Quinn are the only two survivors, except they each think the other one was the perpetrator. And somebody linked info of its existence to the world. It turned out white Wally still remembers his wife and children that he had pre-Flashpoint, but doesn't have now, and in trying to come to grips with it, used his superspeed to go through every record and sees the collective trauma from all the records. This causes him to lose control of the speed force and kill everyone there except Booster and Harley. He then stages the crime scene (including killing himself five days later). Booster closes the loop by cloning Wally's corpse in the future, because Wally's time displaced corpse was at the scene, and Wally hands himself over to the authorities.
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LadyPictureShow posted:
And people bitch about Final Crisis being convoluted. Who all actually died in that event?
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Skwirl posted:And people bitch about Final Crisis being convoluted. -Tattooed Man -Arsenal -Blue Jay -Commander Steel -Hotshot -Lagoon Boy -Red Devil -Gunfire -Gnarkk -Protector I was really confused by them closing the loop/solving it, because did that mean doing that meant nobody died? No, I guess everyone was still dead, but they stopped the resulting loop. I thought Tattooed Man was kinda cool in Final Crisis/Final Crisis Aftermath, but it was one of those 'oh my God! Nobody of importance died!' (Well, IDK what Arsenal was up to)
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LadyPictureShow posted:-Tattooed Man I didn't read the event and but there was a cover with a very dead looking Poison Ivy so I was wondering. I think I've heard of Lagoon Boy and maybe Hotshot, but I couldn't describe them to police sketch artist. I've read Final Crisis and still don't know who Tatooed Man was.
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Skwirl posted:I didn't read the event and but there was a cover with a very dead looking Poison Ivy so I was wondering. I think I've heard of Lagoon Boy and maybe Hotshot, but I couldn't describe them to police sketch artist. Ivy was dead, but because of her connection to 'the green' she regrew from a rose that Harley had been wearing in her hair.  Tattooed Man didn't have a huge role in Final Crisis, but he like, teleported Black Canary and others to the Watchtower because he had the Metron 'circuit' tattooed, and it also jammed the anti-life signal. But all that Watchtower stuff didn't amount to much, since, like you said, Final Crisis was also convoluted as Hell.
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Didn’t Tattooed Man have a pretty big role in Final Crisis: Submit? Which was one of the few Big Two comics where pretty much every character was a person of color.
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Barry is still the Flash with the most blood on his hands.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Didn’t Tattooed Man have a pretty big role in Final Crisis: Submit? Which was one of the few Big Two comics where pretty much every character was a person of color. That was just a one-shot, but he did get a post-FC miniseries https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Crisis_Aftermath:_Ink_Vol_1
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LadyPictureShow posted:
That's a hell of a thing. What is in people's opinion the most convoluted storyline from the big two? (I'm sure Manga has had some legendary convoluted storylines.) Though I haven't read it Clone Saga always sounded convoluted.
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bessantj posted:That's a hell of a thing. What is in people's opinion the most convoluted storyline from the big two? (I'm sure Manga has had some legendary convoluted storylines.) Though I haven't read it Clone Saga always sounded convoluted. The crossing is the best
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bobkatt013 posted:Wally from pre-52 and current day murderer due to heroes in crisis and Wally who was inspired by the flash tv show and currently on teen titans
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New 52 Wally predates CW Wally by 9 months or so if memory serves.
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bobkatt013 posted:The crossing is the best *researches* 
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bobkatt013 posted:The crossing is the best why do you do this to people
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Do what? He's not wrong/
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Clone Saga is mostly convoluted because every time they tried to end it some editor or marketing guy would jump in and tell them to extend the story or change something at the last minute. Most X-men stories and a lot of 90s Avengers stories are just convoluted on their own. I couldn't tell you what the gently caress was going on in the original Jacket Avengers story.
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To get an idea about the clone saga look up house of Reilly
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The Clone Saga isn't really convoluted so much as it's massively bloated. Explaining what happens is difficult but only because it goes on so long and so there are lots of plot points and characters. The "saga" is really mostly called that in hindsight, though. You could be forgiven for reading through the Ben Reilly stint of Spider-Man, a year long, and thinking the saga was over with no expectation of more conclusions to wait for the way we know now it's not truly done until Osborn returns and Ben dies.
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One things for sure, whatever the most convoluted story is, the X men are involved
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Skwirl posted:And people bitch about Final Crisis being convoluted. There's one timeline where Wally kills people and then commits a weird form of suicide. This gets replaced by a timeline where Wally kills a bunch of people, fakes his death with help from his BROS, and then turns himself in.
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Lurdiak posted:Clone Saga is mostly convoluted because every time they tried to end it some editor or marketing guy would jump in and tell them to extend the story or change something at the last minute. Most X-men stories and a lot of 90s Avengers stories are just convoluted on their own. I couldn't tell you what the gently caress was going on in the original Jacket Avengers story. Even Harras had to deal with Operation Galactic Storm messing his stuff up. That said... I dunno, I think he had an Englehart-esque 'epic' in mind with Proctor and his crew, plus the love triangle with Dane, Crystal and Cersi* but he just sorta meanders around and it's a weird slog that is oddly fondly remembered by a lot of people. *Or, as Kurt Busiek put it, "Three people who should have never been Avengers."
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Retro Futurist posted:One things for sure, whatever the most convoluted story is, the X men are involved The Legion says hi. And also on the DC side, there's the story of Power Girl getting pregnant.
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Dawgstar posted:Even Harras had to deal with Operation Galactic Storm messing his stuff up. That said... I dunno, I think he had an Englehart-esque 'epic' in mind with Proctor and his crew, plus the love triangle with Dane, Crystal and Cersi* but he just sorta meanders around and it's a weird slog that is oddly fondly remembered by a lot of people. Dane Whitman is one of the best Avengers EVER. Shut up Kurt.
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