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Beefstew posted:Sub elitism never went away and it's still a surefire way to identify a dweeb.  Uhhhh if we all sit up front we can watch the SUBBED version guys
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FilthyImp posted:I randomly dropped into Nadia: Secret of the Blue Water at my first Anime Expo. There were like 8 people there and after the episode finished some guy was like lol
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Jun 29, 2019 05:07
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To be fair, there's been some really bad dubs out there. Like, for example, any dub where the characters insist on using japanese honorifics, despite not speaking japanese. It's like I'm back in middle school, surrounded by people who think "the bishies are so kawaii desu," 
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Blaziken386 posted:To be fair, there's been some really bad dubs out there. Yeah MHA sucks rear end
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Jun 29, 2019 05:50
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FilthyImp posted:I randomly dropped into Nadia: Secret of the Blue Water at my first Anime Expo. There were like 8 people there and after the episode finished some guy was like
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Jun 29, 2019 06:11
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Beefstew posted:Yeah MHA sucks rear end i meant, like, Ouran HS, back in 2006
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Jun 29, 2019 06:35
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also all the dubs that remove gay characters or implications, which is a fair number of dubs, because the biggest dubbing company in the us has ties to rick santorum
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Jun 29, 2019 06:43
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Nadia should only be viewed in the original French and I'm sticking to that.
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Jun 29, 2019 07:36
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To contribute to the worst conversation about anime I started the netflix english dub and think the performances are extremely solid so far, whereas my take on the ADV dub was: spirited, but bad. The new Shinji is closer to the GOAT Ogata so that's cool, and Misato's VA balances her wildly different modes well. The most important takeaways in revisiting this series so far imo: 1) holy poo poo this show looks good 2) the second half of ep 1 is wildly funny 3) wow I forgot about the Human Instrumentality Committee aka Death Cult Illuminati Skype Calls and also two of these members have hook noses. Hm. Huh. Anyway, SEELE Monoliths are cool.
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Jun 29, 2019 08:21
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So is the last scene in EoE meant to be a subversion of the Master-Slave dialectic?
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Blaziken386 posted:oh god do they still do that in 2019, why I don't remember them doing this in the MHA dub, but it also didn't really bother me with the Ouran dub. I kinda liked how the RuroKen dub handled it by having Kenshin refer to everyone kinda formally while Sano just calls everyone "pal." Stuff like that gets the same kinda point across
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Jun 29, 2019 08:56
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Gosh was Sanson from the Nadia series rad 
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Jun 29, 2019 10:35
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Blaziken386 posted:To be fair, there's been some really bad dubs out there. Literally still used today in video games, especially recently released Judgment Yakuza last week.
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Cheap Diner Coffee posted:To contribute to the worst conversation about anime I started the netflix english dub and think the performances are extremely solid so far, whereas my take on the ADV dub was: spirited, but bad. The new Shinji is closer to the GOAT Ogata so that's cool, and Misato's VA balances her wildly different modes well. I don't know if the hook nose holds that kind of significance in Japan. It's always one thing to consider that what is a racist image in one country is not a racist image in another country. So it's possible that they aren't trying to imply something with that. It could even be the case that it's a second degree of racism. In other words, some racist Works give them that feature to imply that they're Jewish. Japan, not having a significant Jewish population and therefore not much of a history with the Jewish population, is not necessarily aware of this at the civilian level so they use this simply because they see it in western fiction and do not know its implication. This was also made in 1993. So I don't know if that was even like a conspiracy theory at the time. The modern-day argument is on a work that's almost 30 years old. If I recall correctly, I think this happens in Japan with African American depictions.
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Jun 29, 2019 12:37
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It could also simply be a case of the Japanese tendency to depict all Westerners with big noses.
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Jun 29, 2019 14:00
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Tae posted:Literally still used today in video games, especially recently released Judgment Yakuza last week. https://twitter.com/TriggerRedd/status/1123276012245082113 Sometimes there's good reason.
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Jun 29, 2019 14:11
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Mr. Yagami esquire rules tho.
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Lube Enthusiast posted:Gosh was Sanson from the Nadia series rad Team Rocket was the highlight of that show.
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Jun 29, 2019 14:40
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Genuinely happy for her that she can spend her retirement as a chill weed mom who dunks on stupid people on twitter, she deserves to enjoy herself after being seen as the Great Satan of Dubbing by the evageeks crowd
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Jun 29, 2019 14:52
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The EoE dub commentary is a delight and a treasure.
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Evageeks sucks rear end, AWL is cool.
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Covok posted:o I don't know if that was even like a conspiracy theory at the time. The modern-day argument is on a work that's almost 30 years old. Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories have been around for literal centuries and were very definitely A Thing in the 90s.
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https://i.vgy.me/QvBLff.webm
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Beefstew posted:Sub elitism never went away and it's still a surefire way to identify a dweeb. i like to read, okay
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Jun 29, 2019 16:22
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Dubs made people realize most animes are lovely to actually look at for 24 minutes straight, movement wise
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Beefstew posted:Sub elitism never went away and it's still a surefire way to identify a dweeb.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think it should be possible to discuss the merits of a specific dub without just replaying this weird tribalistic argument. Possible, but in my experience unlikely. As a lot of the time subs defenders are just doing it because of their tribalistic feelings. Though you can argue that’s just what it all is, so it’s not terribly productive CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jun 29, 2019 |
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Ibram Gaunt posted:https://twitter.com/TriggerRedd/status/1123276012245082113 I feel that's just a shortcut for localizing pragmatics, since the Japanese make it super clear when you're talking to someone in a higher or lower social standing than yourself. I'unno, it feels like keeping honorifics because "we want people to know it's set in Japan" is kinda like making your foreign character speak random foreign words to establish they're foreign.
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Pyrotoad posted:The EoE dub commentary is a delight and a treasure. Agreed. If anyone owns the dvd and has yet to to hear it, def give it a go
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Regarding the ADV dub, admittedly it was pretty rough for the first six or so eps, but then it really improved from there. I haven’t seen the new dub, but I’ve seen a lot of stuff about it that doesn’t really inspire confidence! Not on about the Kaworu/Shinji stuff specifically, more several lines I liked in the original dub that have been changed to something far more bland. One or two examples wouldn’t be a big deal, but I’m seeing loads, and it seems like a bit of a shame. Not to mention “Children” instead of “Child” would annoy the crap out of me and is patently silly. I’m just wondering if several of the new viewers are comparing the old and new dub by looking at early episodes. If so, I’ve got no doubt the newer dub would appear better, since the older one took a while to hit its stride.
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I just can't imagine why anyone would ever hate Kensuke's OG dub voice. Kid sounded like he was coked up and a second away from a stroke even when he was calm. Just remembering some of his lines makes me chuckle.
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Shinjobi posted:I just can't imagine why anyone would ever hate Kensuke's OG dub voice. Kid sounded like he was coked up and a second away from a stroke even when he was calm.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think it should be possible to discuss the merits of a specific dub without just replaying this weird tribalistic argument. Truly the  of anime. smenj posted:Regarding the ADV dub, admittedly it was pretty rough for the first six or so eps, but then it really improved from there. I haven’t seen the new dub, but I’ve seen a lot of stuff about it that doesn’t really inspire confidence! This is why the new dub is better for new viewers. I tried to watch the old dub and got up to episode 9 before I just had to give it up in disgust with what cheesy, campy trash it was. The animosity toward the new dub is, as far as I can see, largely due to a (growing?) nostalgic affinity among a new generation of "dweebs" for certain localization liberties, and has little to do with its actual accuracy, which corrects major tone problems and sloppy sound mixing with the original. In other words, it's new dweebs complaining about changing the same poo poo that the old dweebs complained about 20 years ago, because complaining is what dweebs do. It's dweebs all the way down. But this is just the opinion of an outsider who doesn't follow y'all's weird anime con drama
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I just miss Tiffany Grant hamming it up in everything she was ever working on
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Mermaid Autopsy posted:But this is just the opinion of an outsider who doesn't follow y'all's weird anime con drama Well, as long as you can feel superior to everybody,
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Jun 29, 2019 23:15
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i paid money to post on a forum to talk about evangelion but im not a weirdo who goes to anime conventions or whatever
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Umm yeah, that dude was the one calling me a weirdo nerd for preferring subs to dubs on an anime board, like what the heck?
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I don’t like the new dub because it sounds bad and makes the story harder to follow. As it sounds like it’s written with flowery dialogue without actually being flowery dialogue. Which happens a lot in clunky translations. If this dub was my first exposure to Evangelion I would have given up three episodes in CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jun 29, 2019 |
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Mermaid Autopsy posted:The animosity toward the new dub is, as far as I can see, largely due to a (growing?) nostalgic affinity among a new generation of "dweebs" for certain localization liberties, and has little to do with its actual accuracy, which corrects major tone problems and sloppy sound mixing with the original. zero nostalgia here, my dude
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