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Wanderer posted:For some drat reason it's in the Great Race Space. I think it used to be in E/N at one point? I like that SA is aggressive in policing it's 'don't be a lovely person' rule. It's kind of weird to think about that the edgelords of the early 2000's got together and mellowed the gently caress out (or got banned along the way).
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SuperKlaus posted:Some concepts have come up incidentally here like a person realizing they are trans later in life that are unfamiliar to me and I could stand the education. It took me 14 years to begin having those thoughts, 7 more years to admit the truth to myself, and 10 years after that to finally act upon it. The fact that it took me so long to warm up to the idea is, ironically, a large part of what delayed it for so long. Self-doubting thoughts that maybe I wasn't "really" trans if I hadn't known since birth. But hey, a suicide attempt and three nervous breakdowns back-to-back-to-back can really put your own life into perspective. What can I say? I've always been a late bloomer in all aspects of my life. This one included.
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oobey posted:It took me 14 years to begin having those thoughts, 7 more years to admit the truth to myself, and 10 years after that to finally act upon it. The fact that it took me so long to warm up to the idea is, ironically, a large part of what delayed it for so long. Self-doubting thoughts that maybe I wasn't "really" trans if I hadn't known since birth. I'm glad you're still here to share your experiences with us and also shitpost.
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I realised it at about age 10, I made an abortive attempt at transition at age 20, then actually started transitioning at 32. But yeah, there are some who don't realise they're trans until wayyyy later in life. I remember seeing a video of a 90-year-old who said "I though I was a gay man all my life, I realised just a month ago I'm actually transgender." People usually realise it earlier these days because we actually talk about trans stuff. Back in the before times people had very little exposure to this stuff, so it was unlikely they'd see or hear something about trans issues and go "Oh, that's it! That's what I've felt all along!" Besides the trans thread that's been linked, there's also a general trans shitpost thread (which is actually a very good thread!) in CCCC, and of course we also hang out in the general LGBT+ CCCC thread.
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Jun 26, 2019 11:37
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why have a community though when you can just get your therapy through aggressive shitposting thats the real pro strat
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PMush Perfect posted:why have a community though when you can just get your therapy through aggressive shitposting thats the real pro strat it’s the CSPAM way!
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Soup du Jour posted:it’s the CSPAM way! 
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Mikl posted:I realised it at about age 10, I made an abortive attempt at transition at age 20, then actually started transitioning at 32. I'm nonbinary, and I flat out didn't have any vocabulary to actually express how I felt until I was 30. I just thought I was fundamentally broken as a person, because being seen as a dude made me feel wretched but I didn't really feel like a girl either, and those were the two options I knew of. Discourse about it started creeping into my periphery after that point, and it wasn't until a year ago that it hit me full force that, like, holy poo poo: other people feel this way too, I'm not actually just defective? poo poo's remarkable how much my quality of life has improved just from knowing and accepting myself.
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Jun 26, 2019 21:24
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Mikl posted:I realised it at about age 10, I made an abortive attempt at transition at age 20, then actually started transitioning at 32. I started hormones at 31 and was 32 when I started living and teaching as a woman more or less "full-time". I knew deep down I was trans in my 20s, but the thing about coming to that realization once you're an adult is that part of you is afraid of having so much to lose. I didn't want to risk my relationship, my friendships, or my career, so I tamped it down. I also was definitely prey to that "I'm already too old!" panic. I'm definitely a little envious of people who had the guts to transition earlier, or kids coming up now for whom the decision is easier and who have access to more and better information at a younger stage, but it is what it is. That's why being visibly "out" has been so important to me. I teach a lot of college freshman who are trans or nonbinary and who have never had a teacher or other authority figure like them, and even if I'm just some schlub I feel good that I can be sort of an example of someone who got through it and is living and being happy.
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Mikl posted:People usually realise it earlier these days because we actually talk about trans stuff. Back in the before times people had very little exposure to this stuff, so it was unlikely they'd see or hear something about trans issues and go "Oh, that's it! That's what I've felt all along!" Yeah, even early progressive depictions were all over the place in terms of tone and knowledge, because it was unlikely they were being done by people who knew what they were talking about. Soap was a sitcom in the late ‘70’s, in which Billy Crystal played a gay man in one of the first openly gay roles on TV. But he was also a transvestite and also transgender because no one involved knew enough about homosexuality to realize those might be different things.
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Cabbit posted:I'm nonbinary, and I flat out didn't have any vocabulary to actually express how I felt until I was 30. I just thought I was fundamentally broken as a person, because being seen as a dude made me feel wretched but I didn't really feel like a girl either, and those were the two options I knew of. Discourse about it started creeping into my periphery after that point, and it wasn't until a year ago that it hit me full force that, like, holy poo poo: other people feel this way too, I'm not actually just defective?  If information about being trans and nonbinary had been accessible when I was growing up, I would've immediately thought "that's me! That's the word that makes sense of all these things about myself I don't understand! I know what I have to do to ease this pain, now!" But instead I just carried this secret my whole life, and I didn't even know what it was.
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Mikl posted:Besides the trans thread that's been linked, there's also a general trans shitpost thread (which is actually a very good thread!) in CCCC, and of course we also hang out in the general LGBT+ CCCC thread. Hey I also just wanted to say that 48 hours ago I had no idea there was any trans goon thread at all and now I have two to catch up on, so thanks for pointing these out.
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Sorry to derail a derail but... What is this? What does a dead shark have to do with the concept of same-ness? Why does he sink into the murky depths, only to reverse direction again? I don't understand.
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TheAceOfLungs posted:What is this? What does a dead shark have to do with the concept of same-ness? Why does he sink into the murky depths, only to reverse direction again? I don't understand. it's a background poster from a silly anime. same means shark. 
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fool_of_sound posted:it's a background poster from a silly anime. same means shark. Ohhh! Thank you. I am now educated. 
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Len posted:This is the best derail in awhile Agreed. I love learning.
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Len posted:This is the best derail in awhile Is it really a derail? I mean Rich did tastefully include transgender issues when he wrote Roy putting on that gender-swap belt. (sorry, just wanted to make the shittest of posts)
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Hey if I were cis I'd probably be upset over losing the Trouser Titan too.
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it's interesting that there are so relatively many gender non-conforming people on SA in general - is that because it's easier to present as one's real self behind a layer of anonymity or a thing of this website or what? or am i simply tremendously underestimating the general number of non-confirming people in society? i guess it's partially both?
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nimby posted:Is it really a derail? I mean Rich did tastefully include transgender issues when he wrote Roy putting on that gender-swap belt. i mean one could read that sequence as roy having to deal with what a lot of trans people have to deal with all the time, up to and including seriously unwanted sexual attention
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V. Illych L. posted:it's interesting that there are so relatively many gender non-conforming people on SA in general - is that because it's easier to present as one's real self behind a layer of anonymity or a thing of this website or what? Something Awful's general tendency towards the left in the recent years probably helps people feel more comfortable talking about that. Also, having somehow accidentally blundered into meeting the local underground LGBT scene over where I live while being the world's most boringly vanilla cishet dude, I'll go with a gigantic yes on the second.
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V. Illych L. posted:it's interesting that there are so relatively many gender non-conforming people on SA in general - is that because it's easier to present as one's real self behind a layer of anonymity or a thing of this website or what? I can see the merit in what VanSandman said upthread: SA is still a relatively big forum with tight moderation and a "don't be a shithead" rule in place, so anyone who's going to be willfully dumb about gender issues probably won't last long. my dad posted:Something Awful's general tendency towards the left in the recent years probably helps people feel more comfortable talking about that. I'm not sure it's a left vs. right thing. I have noticed that a lot of my peers, though sadly nowhere near all, have gotten more open-minded in general as they've gotten older, and this is very much a board for the olds these days. I'd be surprised if there were too many SA regulars under 30.
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Not to be a dick about it (especially because I resemble both of these remarks), but I think autistic people are also transgender at higher rates than neurotypicals, and goons, well. Fun fact: I'm under 30, but I didn't start hanging out here until it got less libertarian and male. Tjadeth fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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The most convincing explanation I've heard for that (autistic people are more likely to be trans) is that autistic folks already do a lot of introspection, so they're more likely to recognise that they're trans compared to the general population. Also, since they already know they're atypical, they're more likely to accept they're trans if they are, while neurotypical people tend to resist the idea. (Disclaimer: I am not autistic, and as such I may be talking out of my rear end on this. Feel free to tell me if I'm being insensitive and/or an idiot.)
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Autism and schizophrenia are both linked to gender dysphoria more generally. I don't think it's a behavior thing, but rather some issue of genes and/or brain chemistry.
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Not gonna lie, finding it kinda weird that Ellipsis changed her name when neither Thunt nor Tarol Hunt sound remotely gendered. I wouldn't have even known that Thunt was a man in the first place except that posts in this thread made specific reference to his wife.V. Illych L. posted:i mean one could read that sequence as roy having to deal with what a lot of trans people have to deal with all the time, up to and including seriously unwanted sexual attention That's the only logical way to read it and I still have trouble parsing why Rich is so ashamed about this storyline. The only particularly good argument I remember from the last time it came up was how at the end of it Roy makes reference to his being born a man like that's the deciding element, but even that's exactly one bad word choice in what is otherwise a fairly typical body transformation storyline.
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Some Guy TT posted:That's the only logical way to read it and I still have trouble parsing why Rich is so ashamed about this storyline. The only particularly good argument I remember from the last time it came up was how at the end of it Roy makes reference to his being born a man like that's the deciding element, but even that's exactly one bad word choice in what is otherwise a fairly typical body transformation storyline. I'm going to assume it's just that Rich wasn't really thinking about trans people when writing it and just wrote a bunch of jokes about gender-swapping. So even if it didn't happen to come out offensively he's still ashamed that he didn't try to avoid offence. And more broadly OotS is a very long-running comic and Rich has grown up a lot over the course of writing it. I'm not susprised he's ashamed about parts of it that reflect things he grew out of, regardless of how it actually reads from the outside.
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Some Guy TT posted:Not gonna lie, finding it kinda weird that Ellipsis changed her name when neither Thunt nor Tarol Hunt sound remotely gendered. I wouldn't have even known that Thunt was a man in the first place except that posts in this thread made specific reference to his wife. Maybe not to the outside observer, but I imagine someone who has spent their entire life up until then as a man named Tarol/Thunt considers those names gendered.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Maybe not to the outside observer, but I imagine someone who has spent their entire life up until then as a man named Tarol/Thunt considers those names gendered.
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Also, for some trans people, your "deadname" (which is what many call their previous name) can have some painful memories associated to it, which can be triggering. So while some go for a feminised or masculinised version of their previous name for their new one (e.g. Daniel to Danielle, or the opposite), others will avoid that and pick a completely different one.
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Tenebrais posted:I'm going to assume it's just that Rich wasn't really thinking about trans people when writing it and just wrote a bunch of jokes about gender-swapping. So even if it didn't happen to come out offensively he's still ashamed that he didn't try to avoid offence.
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Some Guy TT posted:That's the only logical way to read it and I still have trouble parsing why Rich is so ashamed about this storyline. The only particularly good argument I remember from the last time it came up was how at the end of it Roy makes reference to his being born a man like that's the deciding element, but even that's exactly one bad word choice in what is otherwise a fairly typical body transformation storyline. i agree with other posters that he probably wasn't thinking in those lines at all, which is embarrassing because, well, it not being god-awful is basically down to luck
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At a bare minimum, the problem with that segment is that the whole joke is that Roy is embarrassed to be a woman.
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Alchenar posted:At a bare minimum, the problem with that segment is that the whole joke is that Roy is embarrassed to be a woman. My take was that Rich was making fun of the Girdle itself. In 1e and 3e AD&D, the player's gender has no effect on anything, so there's no real reason for the Girdle of Femininity/Masculinity to exist, except maybe to troll players who are themselves insecure.
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Gynovore posted:My take was that Rich was making fun of the Girdle itself. In 1e and 3e AD&D, the player's gender has no effect on anything, so there's no real reason for the Girdle of Femininity/Masculinity to exist, except maybe to troll players who are themselves insecure. Imagine trying to play a role in a role playing game. Also I may be too loving cis to understand, but Roy feeling unhappy at being assigned a gender that didn't feel right to him doesn't seem transphobic, though most of the jokes made at his expense were.
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honestly, as a mid-twenties transwoman, reading those strips as they came out spoke to me in a pleasant way. I didn't know I was trans at the time, but I was curious. It was nice to see that played out in the story, even if it wasn't written with the knowledge of transpeople that society has now.
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Gynovore posted:My take was that Rich was making fun of the Girdle itself. In 1e and 3e AD&D, the player's gender has no effect on anything, so there's no real reason for the Girdle of Femininity/Masculinity to exist, except maybe to troll players who are themselves insecure. The original girdle was just a joke item, one of many. It was there to prank players that would immediately wear anything they found with a noticeable but ultimately harmless gotcha. It was a troll, but nothing about insecurity.
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Brainamp posted:The original girdle was just a joke item, one of many. It was there to prank players that would immediately wear anything they found with a noticeable but ultimately harmless gotcha. It was a troll, but nothing about insecurity. It was handled better in BG2 with Edwin/a. Even the worst character can go with the flow sometimes.
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