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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Its sports! sports metaphor!
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Electable means two things: 1. Popular with  junkies and centrists.And 2. Someone Republicans will lie about considering voting for before pulling the Red lever regardless.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:10
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HootTheOwl posted:He had a better passer rating in those playoffs than he did when he won with Indy, and that includes a game winning drive. This isn't a good analogy for you. You are literally moving the goalposts on a football analogy of all things.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:12
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Oh Snapple! posted:You are literally moving the goalposts Y... yeah!
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Jun 30, 2019 22:12
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Oh Snapple! posted:You are literally moving the goalposts on a football analogy of all things. No, unless this is like when he used cowboys instead of broncos and you also mean something else?
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Jun 30, 2019 22:17
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HootTheOwl posted:No, unless this is like when he used cowboys instead of broncos and you also mean something else? The playoffs are not the super bowl. The analogy was fine and you weirdly chose to overcomplicate a matter that's been widely agreed on because ???. In less stupid avenues of discussion, https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/1145115870781423618 Boy what a loving shock that Liz's uptick of support was soft as hell.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:31
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Bernie has been seriously campaigning for four years. Thus far he has a ceiling of around 20% with total name recognition. The premise of creating a broad working class coalition to push through transformative change hasn't at all come to fruition; his polling among black voters is still dismal. But people still insist he is "electable." So there probably is something to the idea that "electable" is a sophisticated way to say "candidate I agree with."
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Jun 30, 2019 22:34
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LinYutang posted:Bernie has been seriously campaigning for four years. Thus far he has a ceiling of around 20% with total name recognition. The premise of creating a broad working class coalition to push through transformative change hasn't at all come to fruition; his polling among black voters is still dismal. But people still insist he is "electable." As always, either back it up or shut up.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:35
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LinYutang posted:Bernie has been seriously campaigning for four years. Thus far he has a ceiling of around 20% with total name recognition. The premise of creating a broad working class coalition to push through transformative change hasn't at all come to fruition; his polling among black voters is still dismal. But people still insist he is "electable." Check out this 20% ceiling https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1143602746064613376
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Jun 30, 2019 22:36
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LinYutang posted:Bernie has been seriously campaigning for four years. My favorite thing about Sanders is how anyone criticizing him either has to contort his words and the context or just straight-up lie, meanwhile Buttigieg is smirking his way through a well-prepared statement on the shooting in his town and Biden's "aw shucks"ing his way through some brutal takedowns
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Jun 30, 2019 22:43
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Bernie has been seriously campaigning since February 19, 2019 Bernie was doing rallies to build his organization and brand immediately following the 2016 election to today. Wicked Them Beats posted:Check out this 20% ceiling 28% isn't too far off, and is a pretty bad showing in a state he won by a complete landslide in 2016.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:52
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LinYutang posted:Bernie was doing rallies to build his organization and brand immediately following the 2016 election to today. Why is this bad
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Jun 30, 2019 22:54
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Why is this bad It's not. Until you take it in the context of Bernie's 2016 campaign, in which he wasn't running a serious operation for most of it and was getting better results than four years of campaigning later.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:58
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28% is only around 28% more than 20%. Not a performance to write home about.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:58
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Trump meeting with Kim Jong Un is a good thing.
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Jun 30, 2019 23:01
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LinYutang posted:
Lol an unironic "Bernie is ahead, this is bad news...for Bernie!"
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Jun 30, 2019 23:04
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LinYutang posted:Bernie was doing rallies to build his organization and brand immediately following the 2016 election to today. By that measure Biden has been doing so since before February 2007. Or arguably earlier.
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Jun 30, 2019 23:13
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LinYutang posted:It's not. Until you take it in the context of Bernie's 2016 campaign, in which he wasn't running a serious operation for most of it and was getting better results than four years of campaigning later. Uh, you know there’s more candidates this time, right? E: Like I understand that there is a relatively large number of Dems who refuse to get behind* Sanders for reasons that are hard to understand, and unrelated to policy or leadership, but to say that anybody’s polling in July is their “ceiling” isn’t really a supportable statement. * They will if he gains a critical mass of support, like what happened with Never Trumpers. Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jul 1, 2019 |
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Jun 30, 2019 23:14
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Check out this 20% ceiling Using a NH poll is disingenuous in regards to Sanders
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Jun 30, 2019 23:17
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LinYutang posted:Bernie has been seriously campaigning for four years. Thus far he has a ceiling of around 20% with total name recognition. The premise of creating a broad working class coalition to push through transformative change hasn't at all come to fruition; his polling among black voters is still dismal. But people still insist he is "electable." What polling info shows that he’s doing dismally among black voters?
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Jun 30, 2019 23:18
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NH is 95% white and 70% men and the average age is 63. I wonder why Bernie is popular there?
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Jun 30, 2019 23:18
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Calibanibal posted:NH is 95% white and 70% men and the average age is 63. I wonder why Bernie is popular there? Tough to say - he does very well with POC voters, women, and young people, so...?
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Jun 30, 2019 23:19
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Of the time that United States of America has been governed according to this Constitution, Joe Biden has been running for President for ~13% of it.
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Jun 30, 2019 23:20
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oxsnard posted:Using a NH poll is disingenuous in regards to Sanders Yeah but so is every LinYutang post
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Jun 30, 2019 23:21
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LinYutang posted:It's not. Until you take it in the context of Bernie's 2016 campaign, in which he wasn't running a serious operation for most of it and was getting better results than four years of campaigning later. Bernie's appeal to people outside this thread is closely tied to the state of the economy. The real wage growth in the US was tepid till 2015. The benefits of this long expansion are finally reaching the poorer working classes now. Right now we have record low unemployment and rising wages. Inflation is low and the majority of Americans think the economy is good despite the Sanders/Warren talking points of the economy not working for ordinary Americans. People have ample job opportunities and consumer spending and sentiment is robust. We've just started seeing danger signs in the manufacturing and investment areas which are related to trade tensions. If Trump doesn't mishandle the economy, he's going to be extremely hard to beat. I mostly agree with you about Sanders ceiling being low but that will change if there's a recession.
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Jun 30, 2019 23:22
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Majorian posted:Tough to say - he does very well with POC voters, women, and young people, so...?  
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Jun 30, 2019 23:25
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Bernie's actual problem this cycle btw is more with older voters in general rather than race/gender, something like <30% of 65+ say they would even -consider- voting for him and he's at 7% with them in "who would you vote for". The average age of Dem primary voter in 2016 is something between 47-52. if you expect huge surge of young voters he does win but that's a huge if better GOtV Typo fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jun 30, 2019 |
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Jun 30, 2019 23:27
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Typo posted:Bernie's actual problem this cycle btw is more with older voters in general rather than race/gender, something like <30% of 65+ say they would even -consider- voting for him and he's at 7% with them. The average age of Dem primary voter in 2016 is something between 47-52. i think people are typically pretty honest about Bernie's chances being tied to youth mobilization? With the frustrating part being that polling companies literally do not care about grabbing anyone who isn't a boomer or older so there's not any way to gauge effectiveness until actual voting happens.
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Jun 30, 2019 23:28
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Anarkii posted:Bernie's appeal to people outside this thread is closely tied to the state of the economy. The real wage growth in the US was tepid till 2015. The benefits of this long expansion are finally reaching the poorer working classes now. Right now we have record low unemployment and rising wages. Inflation is low and the majority of Americans think the economy is good despite the Sanders/Warren talking points of the economy not working for ordinary Americans. People have ample job opportunities and consumer spending and sentiment is robust. Nah, this economic cycle has really not helped most people. https://eand.co/americas-invisible-depression-edad5a77106f
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Jun 30, 2019 23:29
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Oh Snapple! posted:i think people are typically pretty honest about Bernie's chances being tied to youth mobilization? You need to mobilize over and above 2016 and possibly 2008
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Jun 30, 2019 23:30
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over AND above?
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Jun 30, 2019 23:33
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What's your source?
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Jun 30, 2019 23:38
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Majorian posted:What's your source? Also are we doing that thing where latinx folks don't exist.
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Jun 30, 2019 23:42
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Punk da Bundo posted:shut the gently caress up liberal , Tlaib is my rep and I voted for her . I vote for leftist candidates . I will stay home if Biden is the nominee . gently caress this “vote blue no matter who” cowardice . I haven't read or posted much in D&D in a bit. I saw that two mods I respect processed this probe, and I'm curious what specifically happened that needs to be avoided, especially since I feel like screaming the above anti-centrist sentiment most days when reading Twitter on the shitter. Low content/quality & goon-on-goon anger?
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Jun 30, 2019 23:43
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Majorian posted:What's your source? https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/polls/
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Jun 30, 2019 23:45
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Ah, I see - so you're using a poll where Biden soaks up a large amount of black voter support, under the assumption that he's going to keep black voters' support for the foreseeable future. Fascinating stuff, as always, Typo.
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Jun 30, 2019 23:48
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Majorian posted:Ah, I see - so you're using a poll where Biden soaks up a large amount of black voter support, under the assumption that he's going to keep black voters' support for the foreseeable future.   
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Jun 30, 2019 23:50
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What, exactly, do you think this demonstrates?
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Majorian posted:What, exactly, do you think this demonstrates? what do you think
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