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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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SporkChan posted:Damnit Marianne, coal plants release more radiation that nuclear plants! it is, in fact, not just (often) how we cool the reactors, but (always?) how we use them to generate electricity 
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Jul 1, 2019 13:37
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joepinetree posted:which is why the transfer of financial assets tax that Bernie proposes is so important. You transfer your house and assets to the company Dizz Jenouement that is based out of the Cayman Islands and at least you pay some taxes on that. got a link to this? I don't know anything about the particular proposal, but it seems like something you'd have to design pretty carefully to avoid either A) massive loopholes or B) significant unintended consequences.
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Jul 1, 2019 13:40
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The Muppets On PCP posted:https://twitter.com/jakeonthecobb/status/1144610462732079105 Mike Gravel is the one I don’t quite get but yes as stated they are all very accurate
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Jul 1, 2019 13:50
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https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1145630226837360640 Love to waste millions
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Jul 1, 2019 14:32
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SporkChan posted:Damnit Marianne, coal plants release more radiation that nuclear plants! I think that's right during 2011 tsunami that hit Japan with the fukushima reactor. Still a very marianne tweet but nothing completely out of the blue
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Jul 1, 2019 14:34
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The Muppets On PCP posted:also who the hell gave pete buttmunch 25 million
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Jul 1, 2019 14:41
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GreyjoyBastard posted:got a link to this? Link for what? Offshore accounts to hide wealth? Look at Panama papers, for example https://www.icij.org/investigations/panama-papers/ That Warren's plan has no discussion on how to avoid these types of maneuvers? https://elizabethwarren.com/ultra-millionaire-tax/ Bernie's proposals? Tax on transfers of financial assets: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/s1587/text Estate tax: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/s309/text
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Jul 1, 2019 14:57
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The Muppets On PCP posted:https://twitter.com/jakeonthecobb/status/1144610462732079105 Corporations
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Jul 1, 2019 15:15
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The Muppets On PCP posted:https://twitter.com/jakeonthecobb/status/1144610462732079105 So have we been given the all-clear to make butt jokes about the gay man in 2019?  (He's a terrible candidate and also boring as poo poo tho)
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Jul 1, 2019 15:43
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sean10mm posted:So have we been given the all-clear to make butt jokes about the gay man in 2019? I honestly don't even think it's that: the man's actual name is butt I can't even imagine what elementary school was like
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Jul 1, 2019 16:02
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joepinetree posted:
this is what i meant thanks edit: as a threat to tax evasion or intergenerational wealth transfer, it doesn't really do anything meaningful. I'm for it nonetheless - the top tax rate is half of a percent, which is laughable if it's meant to target a one-off transaction, and fortunately that's not really the intent of the bill. On the other hand, it's devastating to the current model of the stock market, for example. If I'm reading it correctly. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jul 1, 2019 |
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Jul 1, 2019 16:04
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GreyjoyBastard posted:this is what i meant thanks So to you or anyone else, what is the answer to international tax havens, outside of parking aircraft carriers just offshore until they give up bank account numbers? I'm not asking this to imply that it's impossible to enforce, I just don't know enough to say what the right way to go about things is.
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Jul 1, 2019 16:15
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GreyjoyBastard posted:this is what i meant thanks It is far more meaningful than Warren's, but you're right that it's not the sole purpose. But it's inspired by ATTAC, which did in part think of it because of that. There's no solution that will be perfect as long as you have tax havens. As for the rate, Warren's proposed wealth tax rate is 2%. On what exceeds 50 million in assets. So it's not that far off.
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Jul 1, 2019 16:23
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https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1145376470782697474 The sample size for this is 29 anonymous "Democratic activists" that the author called up. This is what passes for "data-driven journalism." 
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Jul 1, 2019 16:25
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Failing Nate!
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Jul 1, 2019 16:29
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B B posted:https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1145376470782697474 Ah yes, nearly 60% of  activists oppose the most popular federal politician in the union
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Jul 1, 2019 16:30
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Oh Snapple! posted:The playoffs are not the super bowl. The analogy was fine and you weirdly chose to overcomplicate a matter that's been widely agreed on because ???. I still support Harris, but Warren is my second choice. My top six, for what it is worth) are: Harris Warren Booker Inslee Klobuchar Gillibrand These are the ones I could enthusiastically support. For the most part the rest are from “I’ll vote for them, but not as happily.” Still six good (if not perfect) candidates is pretty amazing!
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Jul 1, 2019 16:33
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redneck nazgul posted:I still support Harris, but Warren is my second choice. My top six, for what it is worth) are: this is trolling right
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Jul 1, 2019 16:35
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redneck nazgul posted:My top six, for what it is worth Not much!
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Jul 1, 2019 16:35
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redneck nazgul posted:I still support Harris, but Warren is my second choice. My top six, for what it is worth) are: I kinda want to get to know you, in a "What was it like to know a French collabo?" way. I'm really not kidding. A stance of "I support expansion of the corporate state, imperialism, and civil rights lip service" is alien enough to me that I can't get angry at it. It's fascinating. Even the alt-right thinks they're anti-corporatist/anti-imperialist; your candidates don't even bother concealing their regressive, imperialist stances very much. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jul 1, 2019 |
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Jul 1, 2019 16:38
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kidkissinger posted:this is trolling right It's an unsourced quote.
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Jul 1, 2019 16:39
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kidkissinger posted:this is trolling right I see you are unfamiliar with forums poster redneck nazgul
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Jul 1, 2019 16:41
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Swear to God, if that really is an unsourced quote,
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Jul 1, 2019 16:42
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Potato Salad posted:Swear to God, if that really is an unsourced quote, Inslee is my top 3!
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Jul 1, 2019 16:43
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Potato Salad posted:Swear to God, if that really is an unsourced quote, he used to be doing old Ron Paul thread quotes, he's since moved on to other ones
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Jul 1, 2019 16:44
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GreyjoyBastard posted:it is, in fact, not just (often) how we cool the reactors, but (always?) how we use them to generate electricity Dry cooling is possible and a few plants exist. Dunno if there are any in America, though.
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Jul 1, 2019 16:54
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Solkanar512 posted:So to you or anyone else, what is the answer to international tax havens, outside of parking aircraft carriers just offshore until they give up bank account numbers? I'm not asking this to imply that it's impossible to enforce, I just don't know enough to say what the right way to go about things is. Dunno! Global socialist revolution and/or taxing their pants off if they try to actually live their dumb lifestyle in the US / civilized countries? Money sitting in a tax haven isn't buying you your nineteenth yacht or letting you snort cocaine off the bellies of endangered belugas. joepinetree posted:It is far more meaningful than Warren's, but you're right that it's not the sole purpose. But it's inspired by ATTAC, which did in part think of it because of that. I think what I was angling for was more along the lines of: the financial transaction tax is all good and I like it, but in addition we need wealth taxes and/or estate taxes and/or other ways to redistribute the wealth of the rich.
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Jul 1, 2019 16:54
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1145630226837360640 LOL @ these people just burning cash.
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Jul 1, 2019 16:55
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joepinetree posted:As for the rate, Warren's proposed wealth tax rate is 2%. On what exceeds 50 million in assets. So it's not that far off. Do you or anyone else know how frequently transactions usually occur to tax havens? Like, do wealthy people just rarely make big conversions, or is it a frequent (1 or more times annually) thing? If the latter, Sanders' tax rate would effectively be like a significant wealth tax. GreyjoyBastard posted:I think what I was angling for was more along the lines of: the financial transaction tax is all good and I like it, but in addition we need wealth taxes and/or estate taxes and/or other ways to redistribute the wealth of the rich. joepinetree's initial point was just how wrong the "Warren is the smart policy wonk, as opposed to Sanders who views thing too simplistically" talking point is. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jul 1, 2019 |
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Jul 1, 2019 17:16
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https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1145720346206543872
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Jul 1, 2019 17:22
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electability is such an amazingly stupid idea. imagine voting in the primary for what you think (but aren't sure) other people want instead of what you want
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Jul 1, 2019 17:38
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Jul 1, 2019 17:41
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Condiv posted:electability is such an amazingly stupid idea. imagine voting in the primary for what you think (but aren't sure) other people want instead of what you want Trump being the president has driven mainstream D's insane.
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Jul 1, 2019 17:41
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mcmagic posted:Trump being the president has driven mainstream D's insane. This is not a recent phenomenon
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Jul 1, 2019 17:42
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mcmagic posted:Trump being the president has driven mainstream D's insane. it's so frustrating how many even outside of the pundit class learned nothing from 2016.
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Jul 1, 2019 17:43
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Reagan/Bush getting three terms in a row has convinced the Dems that progressives can never win in America. Thirty years having passed and Obama’s success despite not coming off as quite as centrist mean nothing.
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Jul 1, 2019 17:50
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's so frustrating how many even outside of the pundit class learned nothing from 2016. There's no bottom to it either. If Biden loses the 2020 general election, then pundits and some rank-and-file Dems in 2024 will say "we need someone even more conservative/racist." There will be a push for Joe Scarborough or someone like that. Of course that's assuming we would still have a Republic that functions well enough to have presidential elections by then.
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Jul 1, 2019 17:56
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Reagan/Bush getting three terms in a row has convinced the Dems that progressives can never win in America. Thirty years having passed and Obama’s success despite not coming off as quite as centrist mean nothing. Nixon too There was a great article in the WaPo about how Biden was part of the Watergate babies who saw McGovern's loss as a sign that the time of being the party of the New Deal and the Great Society was over, and that it was time to retake the center. It also discussed Biden's role as a prominent participant in that process
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Jul 1, 2019 17:56
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"Yeah I don't want to vote for Biden at all, but what if my dumbass neighbor and his racist aunt want to vote for Biden?"-electability in a nut shell
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Dunno! Global socialist revolution and/or taxing their pants off if they try to actually live their dumb lifestyle in the US / civilized countries? Money sitting in a tax haven isn't buying you your nineteenth yacht or letting you snort cocaine off the bellies of endangered belugas. With offshore accounts it is entirely possible to spend their money in the US. Because yes, money in a tax haven can buy you your nineteenth yacht. The yacht will be in the name of your foreign account, but you have full use of it. quote:I think what I was angling for was more along the lines of: the financial transaction tax is all good and I like it, but in addition we need wealth taxes and/or estate taxes and/or other ways to redistribute the wealth of the rich. Again, Bernie has a bill that he is the sole sponsor of that makes it so that far more people pay estate tax. Estates starting at 750k pay 39%, topping off at 77% for estates over 1 billion dollars. Now, it is just as possible to get around estate taxes with offshore accounts, but 1- it requires a lot more planning and 2-requires there to be no dispute over the estate. So Bernie has an actual bill that substantially taxes wealth at the point where it is hardest to evade them, while also having taxes that get at asset transfers overall. Ytlaya posted:Do you or anyone else know how frequently transactions usually occur to tax havens? Like, do wealthy people just rarely make big conversions, or is it a frequent (1 or more times annually) thing? If the latter, Sanders' tax rate would effectively be like a significant wealth tax. Just through the files exposed by the Panama papers countries around the world were able to recover 1.2 billion dollars in taxes. That is one firm in Panama.
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