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Quick question, how have the Primaris Vanguard shaken out on the table? Any of the units worth picking up piecemeal from eBay?
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Quick question, how have the Primaris Vanguard shaken out on the table? Any of the units worth picking up piecemeal from eBay? Infiltrators are a bit expensive, eliminators are great as both a cheap heavy support tax for a leviathan and in their own right as snipers, the lieutenant is a good way to bring the target priority trait, which is fantastic, and I think the librarian has some interesting powers.
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Jul 1, 2019 19:32
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Here are a few things I came up with. Thank you for your advice. I'm getting a dreadnought to get up to 1000 points, that should be big enough to paint piece by piece.
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Jul 1, 2019 20:34
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Eliminaters are apparently causing cat lady dark reaper level angst in my local meta. I rolled some test scenarios and they obliterate t3 characters, which can be valuable.
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Jul 1, 2019 20:42
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Booley posted:Infiltrators are a bit expensive, eliminators are great as both a cheap heavy support tax for a leviathan and in their own right as snipers, the lieutenant is a good way to bring the target priority trait, which is fantastic, and I think the librarian has some interesting powers. I think the Phobos Lieutenant with Target Priority could work really well dropping in along a maximum size squad of either Plasma Inceptors or Suppressors. The Phobos Librarian has some really fun powers, and it can work really well with Dark Angels and Space Wolf powers. I recently played against ANAmal.net where I fielded three Librarians: Phobos Librarian with Hallucination and Tenebrous Curse Dark Angel Librarian with Mind Wipe and Aversion Space Wolf Librarian with Tempest's Wrath and Jaws of the World Wolf If you play DA you can have two along with the SW as an Auxiliary Detachment and enjoy the Lion and the Wolf shenanigans as well, otherwise it's just a Supreme Command Detachment. This allows you to do the following: - Both the Dark Angel and Space Wolf can put a -1 to hit on a target within 24". - The Phobos Librarian hits a target with Hallucination, reducing their Ld by 1 and potentially inducing a -1 to hit. This subsequently increases the chances of the DA Librarian getting Mind Wipe off, which is a permanent -1 to WS, BS, and Ld. - The Phobos Librarian hits a target with Tenebrous Curse, causing a MW and reducing their Move Characteristic by half. The SW Librarian uses Jaws of the World Wolf to induce 2d6-Move mortal wounds. On average the Tenebrous Curse/Jaws combination averages 5 wounds to most targets, which means you have a solid chance of killing most characters so long as they're within 18".
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Jul 1, 2019 20:46
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Apocalypse can't stop my crosspostsSafety Factor posted:
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Jul 1, 2019 21:22
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Eifert Posting posted:Eliminaters are apparently causing cat lady dark reaper level angst in my local meta. I rolled some test scenarios and they obliterate t3 characters, which can be valuable. Vanguard Eliminators are legit good alone and straight frustrating when supported. A buddy's mixed admech and marined have just the one unit and its a constant threat to any lynch pin models like a Apostle in cultists or sorcerer trying to hide. Even a terminator lord has to be wary of them.
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Jul 1, 2019 21:29
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Harvey Mantaco posted:Finally got to play at a gw store. Contact corporate. There was a really terrible manager at the GW Westminster shop who got removed from horrendous customer service. beergod has some horror stories from that store.
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Jul 2, 2019 00:03
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Harvey Mantaco posted:Finally got to play at a gw store. Why tf are these stories always out of GW stores? Is it part of manager training? Also more horror stories, dish dish dish
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Jul 2, 2019 00:17
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Oh there’s been a decent amount of lovely LGSs/managers over time, the difference is those tend not be be propped up by massive companies and thus die quickly if the terrible people don’t get their act together. Aside from seeing metrics slip over time, it’s very important to raise alarms with corporate for that kind of thing. Toxic people can fly under the radar for way too long unless there’s outsider intervention. For a reverse story, the first GW that opened in my area was run by an incredibly nice guy who did all sorts of poo poo for regulars, including letting the store stay open over their lunch so to not interrupt our games (he ran to a local shop or got delivery) and keeping open late. When they first opened and corporate had forgotten to allocate him enough terrain I brought some of my own from home. It got lost in some back room shuffling a while later and the dude felt terrible and gave me a bastion and a tile of realms of battle for what was effectively some badly tossed-together flock/plants and a few aluminum cans. PierreTheMime fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jul 2, 2019 |
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Jul 2, 2019 00:25
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Deified Data posted:Why tf are these stories always out of GW stores? Is it part of manager training? Because other stores rarely give a gently caress if you paint anything and they're selling a thousand other games
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Jul 2, 2019 00:29
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Zuul the Cat posted:Contact corporate. There was a really terrible manager at the GW Westminster shop who got removed from horrendous customer service. beergod has some horror stories from that store. The new manager is a nice guy. A couple weeks ago he finished his inventory of what the last guy had kept around and the amount of overstock was terrifying. I got some OOP terrain though!
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Jul 2, 2019 01:33
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Considering how contrasts were saving me a ton of time for my Hive Fleet Kraken scheme, I figured I'd take the next leap and finally clear out some Genestealers and revive my Swarmlord from his 5th Edition crypt. It's by no means done, but this was essentially just Skeleton Horde and Blood Angels Red over Wraithbone with a couple passes of Ushabti Bone and Evil Sun Scarlet: 
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Jul 2, 2019 03:15
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quote:GW manager woes I dunno, I've been in there a few times, and he's not been pushy anything, but he just seems very aloof or annoyed most every time I've gone in there, and I always feel like interrupting him from something. However, when I was in there was on the weekend for Warhammer Day, he seemed a bit more friendly, but then there were like fifteen other people there, and he said that he wasn't used to having that many people in the store all at once. I dunno, I suppose it gets tedious being in a small, one-room store for 7 hours a day, surrounded by over-priced plastic miniatures, with nothing to listen to but people trying to determine dice rolls and army lists. So I maybe don't get the joke here. I know Duncan made a video on how he's got a collection of Knights, but where does the disdain of Chaos Knights come from? I think the first teaser for Chaos Knights referenced it as well.
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Jul 2, 2019 05:00
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Max Wilco posted:
Duncan's knights are very loyalist
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Jul 2, 2019 05:04
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Max Wilco posted:I dunno, I suppose it gets tedious being in a small, one-room store for 7 hours a day, surrounded by over-priced plastic miniatures, with nothing to listen to but people trying to determine dice rolls and army lists. There's plenty of nu metal to listen to
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Jul 2, 2019 05:10
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Big Willy Style posted:There's plenty of nu metal to listen to There's never any music playing in the store, though. I don't know if it's not permitted, or if there's just no sound system to do it from. Also, dunno if this got brought up, but GW's prices are going up: https://spikeybits.com/2019/07/breaking-news-gw-announces-2019-price-increases.html Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Jul 2, 2019 |
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Jul 2, 2019 05:29
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Didn't want to call anyone while I was getting Canada Day buzzed, but I'll send an email Tuesday on the threads advice to gw corp. Another older employee came up during the same session and awkwardly stood next to us playing, looking like he was desperate to strike up a conversation, dropped out of no where that he was house poor when I asked how he was doing. GW is weird. We only went there because our local game store is charging to use the tables now, so I guess I won't and won't spend money there anymore? Along with literally every single other person I've spoke to?  (If you spend 30 a month there it goes towards a membership but gently caress making sure I'm spending a minimum a month instead of when I need to.) Going to have to start playing warhammer at the taco bell or clean up the basement or something.
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Jul 2, 2019 06:08
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Harvey Mantaco posted:Didn't want to call anyone while I was getting Canada Day buzzed, but I'll send an email Tuesday on the threads advice to gw corp. Another older employee came up during the same session and awkwardly stood next to us playing, looking like he was desperate to strike up a conversation, dropped out of no where that he was house poor when I asked how he was doing. GW is weird. How much are they charging? A $5/day fee seems entirely reasonable to me, you're there using their space and terrain.
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Jul 2, 2019 06:17
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Booley posted:How much are they charging? A $5/day fee seems entirely reasonable to me, you're there using their space and terrain. I buy things there for 15-20 percent more than online for using the tables. If it's reasonable for them to charge that then great! I hope their business does well - there's more than one business model. I won't be spending money there.
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Jul 2, 2019 06:29
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Booley posted:How much are they charging? A $5/day fee seems entirely reasonable to me, you're there using their space and terrain. Reasonable != good business strategy. You really think people gonna flock to place that charges you to play? That never works is and usually followed by a going out of business sale. There are far better ways to do this that accomplish the same thing, like say....running a tournament or event. The best way to get people to buy from you in retail is getting them to play at your store, not discouraging them to do so. There are always going to be some cheapskates who order online so they can save an extra $3, but even those guys contribute to building a local community for whatever game you are trying to sell.
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Jul 2, 2019 07:19
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Mugaaz posted:Reasonable != good business strategy. You really think people gonna flock to place that charges you to play? That never works is and usually followed by a going out of business sale. There are far better ways to do this that accomplish the same thing, like say....running a tournament or event. The best way to get people to buy from you in retail is getting them to play at your store, not discouraging them to do so. There are always going to be some cheapskates who order online so they can save an extra $3, but even those guys contribute to building a local community for whatever game you are trying to sell.  That's a super weird thing to say, but I guess it makes sense if the store is somewhere where space isn't at a premium. Dark Sphere in London, for example, charges for tables and is extremely popular. They also run tournaments (MtG mostly), and do a lot of online business. The mixed model absolutely works for them, and people are quite happy to pay a small amount to use their tables + terrain.
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Jul 2, 2019 07:57
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One of my FLGS has $5 fee or minimum purchase on their wargaming night and that seems reasonable. It's the only place in town that actually has space for several games at once, and I'm fine with picking up a couple of bones figures or a bottle of paint and a drink to maintain that space. Otherwise it'd just be packed with magic players like it is every other night. The other option is the one man GW, and I'd rather not spend half my saturday standing in a shoe-box sized store waiting my turn to play a 50 pl game on the one table while the clerk tries to awkwardly sell me poo poo unrelated to the armies or even games that I'm playing.
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Jul 2, 2019 08:02
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Bad Moon Cafe and Warboar charge for tables too. Bad Moon isn’t cheap - 12 quid for four hours - but I couldn’t even book a Saturday 40K table for Bad Moon two months in advance, so that tells you how well they’re doing. Their boards are super cool. Table space is a limited resource, having to pay is one way to make money and also let everyone have a chance to play, so long as you have money. Over here independents typically have a 10 to 20% discount in store compared to GW, so that places pressure on that front.
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Jul 2, 2019 08:06
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tabletop wargaming is a totally broken business model, especially if they stock Games Workshop product. I completely understand charging for using tables.
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Jul 2, 2019 08:20
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My local GW is a fantastic place with absurdly enthusiastic staff and generally 2-3 of them in the store at any given moment. I impulse buy poo poo I don't need all the time when I'm there just because they're all so fun to be around.
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Jul 2, 2019 08:21
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I pay £3 a week to play at my games club and that seems totally reasonable to me?
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Jul 2, 2019 08:21
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PierreTheMime posted:Considering how contrasts were saving me a ton of time for my Hive Fleet Kraken scheme, I figured I'd take the next leap and finally clear out some Genestealers and revive my Swarmlord from his 5th Edition crypt. That's pretty neat. It definitely looks like a great way to get lighter colours like bone with a clean look. I hope GW brings out some new Tyranids soonish as I don't have much else to try Contrast with right now. It's been nearly five years since we had any new bugs.
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Jul 2, 2019 08:37
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Max Wilco posted:There's never any music playing in the store, though. I don't know if it's not permitted, or if there's just no sound system to do it from. A 25% price increase on some of the plastic, god drat.
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Jul 2, 2019 09:18
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Thanks Brexit. t tAlso my local boardgame café has €5 fee for playing there, which I think includes Warhammer tables too. And €30 to play for a whole month. I think members of the gaming club they also have get to play for free but then you're paying more overall obviously. Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Jul 2, 2019 |
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Jul 2, 2019 10:32
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Maybe it's a cultural thing, but yeah, not paying to use tables seems weird to me. It's a service with large initial outlay, upkeep costs, and it takes up retail space. A minimal fee is entirely reasonable.
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Jul 2, 2019 11:04
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My local store charges to use tables, but you get the money back as store credit as soon as you clean it all up. Love to both support my local store as well as have a reason to get more plastic mans.
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Jul 2, 2019 12:41
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 Just finished up a Vindicare. Pretty happy with the end result. I experimented with contrast BA Red on the hair and I feel it worked really well.  Also finished up some Hellblasters. Beer4TheBeerGod fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jul 2, 2019 |
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Jul 2, 2019 12:52
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Maybe it's a cultural thing, but yeah, not paying to use tables seems weird to me. It's a service with large initial outlay, upkeep costs, and it takes up retail space. A minimal fee is entirely reasonable. Sure! I'm just going to play at one of the three other stores that don't charge if I need too. This particular place has an insane amount of table space on multiple floors that is rarely filled (except for mtg tournaments, even then). For what they're charging, may as well go to a nicer boardgame cafe in town if we're playing something that isn't a minis game as well. There's just absolutely no incentive to give them business without the table space to play on and they're not entitled to anyone's business. Maybe this with bring in some unknown revenue avenue for them and will compensate for people no longer spending money there, maybe they're having problems with weirdos who never leave - who knows. Guess a lot of people are okay with spending a fee... I didn't expect that. Thanks for the perspective, I'll think about it.
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Jul 2, 2019 12:53
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The club I belong to is just a storefront in Brooklyn we group rent for 30$ a month per member. For being a member you can basically come and go as you please till midnight. It's my favorite model.
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Jul 2, 2019 13:40
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Hi guys, I don't play 40k any more, used to when I lived with a guy who worked at a Games Workshop. I started watching the Tabletop Tactics YouTube channel and enjoyed the energy and humour as it bought back the atmosphere of the games I used to play with my mates. So I threw them some cash for a subscription to repay them for the videos. I watched a few of the subscriber only vids and they are the same as the YT vids which was good, but watching more videos it seems one of the guys just has ludicrous dice rolls to the point where it almost ruins the games, is he just a good player where his lucky rolls are not that lucky just good play or what?
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Jul 2, 2019 13:53
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I don't think anyone's fudging rolls on TTT but the seeming one-sidedness can probably be attributed to a couple things. For one Lawrence is just a better player than the others, which is not to say guys like Bone aren't great players in their own right, but Lawrence seems like a cut above. Secondly, though this was a bigger issue during the codex release cycle, Lawrence is also the one taking a lot of the new dexes out for a spin and the format of those videos typically featured a fluffy, underpowered opposing force so the army with the new rules would get a chance to play around and experiment without being too harshly punished. Still the best batrep channel around by a wide margin, though I agree that Lawrence simply wins too much. Channel your essence to Bone and hope he seizes more often.
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Jul 2, 2019 14:22
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Harvey Mantaco posted:Sure! I'm just going to play at one of the three other stores that don't charge if I need too. This particular place has an insane amount of table space on multiple floors that is rarely filled (except for mtg tournaments, even then). For what they're charging, may as well go to a nicer boardgame cafe in town if we're playing something that isn't a minis game as well. I think you've got the right of it. Seems to be a cultural thing as I too have not heard of a Canadian store charging for space for pickup games. While there's nothing wrong with them selling a service, and providing a kitted out table is definitely a service, by the same token once they do that there's really no reason not to be a mercenary about sourcing models. The two local stores that do significant wargaming business both provide free tabletop space and terrain storage, with local clubs providing terrain (and one of the stores is very good about donating terrain). And they enjoy solid local sales and loyalty. Meanwhile, the local GW is a dumpster fire. The location is an odd choice, being not centrally located and remote from transit - while still being in the city and therefore in a tiny little space. Its hours are bizarre, and they don't follow them - but since it only has two, 4x4 tables it probably doesn't matter too much. Also the stock levels are hilariously tiny, even by modern GW standards. I'm sure GW has its reasons for doing stores this way, but I don't get it.
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Jul 2, 2019 14:33
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Our local shop doesn't charge a table fee, but for $15 a month I can get 24/7 access to the gaming side of the shop and a shelf to store some stuff on, in addition to 10% off everything. Basically because I play MTG and 40k there it is well worth the $$.
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So a co-worker dropped his 40k collection he no longer wants on me. There is a ton of random poo poo in there, some of which I think might be worth something? From what I can tell there is the following. Most of it is complete or only missing one or two things. Valkarie Leman Russ Manticore Sentinel bunch of IG sprues a lot 20+ of Vallhallan Blizzard metal figs I think a couple Vallhallan Blizzard Heavy Weapon Squads 1 Planetary Empires box set, complete? 3 drop pods 2 vindicators 2 rhinos a gently caress ton of space wolves devestator squads some terminators some eldar guys 2 wave serpents 1 fire prism NOS 1 imperial bastion imperial defense walls a lot / most of the assault on black reach box set
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