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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Skex posted:The reason that capital as a class doesn't support nationalized healthcare is that the driving ideological justification for their supremacy in society is predicated on the premise that the Government can't do anything right. Nationalized healthcare represents a direct contradiction of that premise. Precisely. Their ideology will not let the recognize reality even as it's slapping them in the face. It's the same reason the Russian aristocracy steadfastly fought every reform that could have relieved revolutionary pressure, until the people of Petrograd were storming the palace. It had been obvious for a long time where events were headed, and the Tsar just disbelieved reports about conditions in the capital from his own Prime Minister while his wife consulted astrologers and magicians to reassure herself that she and her husband were a superior kind of person who were handed the supreme power by God Himself, so not only did they not have to consent to any democratic reforms but they actually believed with religious fervor that democracy could never work because it's against God's will.
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HootTheOwl posted:What about the primaries he lost? Genuinely curious. There are more of those, but the summary is that he underperformed polls by double digits in SC, AL, MS, DE, CA, overperformed polls by double digits in NC, AZ, NM, and the rest were all within single digits of the actual result. There is no obvious pattern on the ones that he lost. Whereas in the ones that he won, he outperformed polls in every single one by close to double digits or more (except VT, where he had a 72.5% lead in the polls, hard to overperform that). joepinetree fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jul 2, 2019 |
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Jul 2, 2019 21:50
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Giving everyone healthcare means that employers have one less thing to threaten their employees with and keep them pacified
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Jul 2, 2019 22:12
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Terror Sweat posted:Giving everyone healthcare means that employers have one less thing to threaten their employees with and keep them pacified And giving people free healthcare and college takes away 2 of the biggest draws offered by the military.
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Jul 2, 2019 22:25
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Because I so fervently want Bernie to win I wish that he would have not tried to do everything at once. *Healthcare for all *Attacking income inequality, all that entails *Real efforts to lessen climate change That would be enough, herculean in fact. Adding free college scares the gently caress out of boomers because it sounds like socialism and everyone will wonder how the gently caress it is even possible. I wish SO badly he would focus on just a few issues and tone down the revolution talk so HE COULD GET ELECTED.
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Jul 2, 2019 22:35
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guestimate posted:Because I so fervently want Bernie to win In what world would it make him more electable if he had a worse platform of policies? There's 20 drat people on stage, how would he stand out if he only wanted half the stuff he wants now?
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Jul 2, 2019 22:45
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bernie has no dynamism whatsoever and transformative left reformer idealist types probably should be
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Jul 2, 2019 22:45
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Imagine a better future for yourself and everyone you know and love. *imagines a marginally better future* Ah, that's the stuff. I don't want to use up all of my imagination capital all in one go!
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Jul 2, 2019 22:48
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You don't win elections with timidity and compromise
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Jul 2, 2019 22:50
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guestimate posted:Because I so fervently want Bernie to win Actually to get elected you should appeal to more voters, not fewer voters. We already tried a bland lifeless platform engineered to chase away voters in order to just barely win with an estimated 50.01% of the vote, it was 2016 and it...did not go well.
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Jul 2, 2019 22:53
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I hear you all, your points are valid. Motivating young voters especially is important. Bernie is never going to be timid or compromise.
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Jul 2, 2019 23:02
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Helsing posted:It's really not. The vast majority of voters do not think about politics through a coherent ideological lense. I think that Warren staying in the race makes a Bernie win highly unlikely, since she muddies the waters and makes Sanders appear like he's unneccesary and "his job is done" to laypeople (and there's nothing he can do about the very large number of - mostly older - voters who simply want someone who is "slicker" and more conventionally telegenic (like Harris, Buttigieg, or even Warren). Though Sanders has the advantage of a vhf likely significantly larger volunteer base for getting people out to vote.
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Jul 2, 2019 23:05
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Re the Iowa poll, Biden by far ranked as the worst performing but Bernie was second: 
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Jul 2, 2019 23:09
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That poll was for who did "worse than expected," not who did the worst (which is an important distinction because most candidates didn't have any expectations on them in the first place).
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Jul 2, 2019 23:16
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polls mean nothing unless they're good for Bernie
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Jul 2, 2019 23:41
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A big flaming stink posted:polls mean nothing unless they're good for Bernie I’m voting for this post
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Jul 2, 2019 23:45
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A big flaming stink posted:polls mean nothing unless they're good for Bernie 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:They watched her for thirty seconds and she sounds like a go-getter How campaigns are won and lost.
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Jul 3, 2019 00:05
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If The Democratic Primary Field Was a University History Department The Democratic primary field is a mix of clashing personalities who like to hear themselves talk and where white men are overrepresented. I was immediately reminded of the dynamics in a university history department when I watched this week's debates. With that in mind, here is the Democratic primary field (or at least most of it) as a history department. Joe Biden is the old professor still teaching off of notes he typed up in 1975 and who gets handsy at the holiday party after one too many scotch and sodas. His colleagues have been privately asking themselves for years why he hasn't retired yet. Bernie Sanders is the old Marxist scholar who doesn't show up to all of the faculty meetings, but when he does he's salty and still holds grudges established in 1983. While most of his colleagues are ambivalent to him, the grad students and adjuncts like him because he's one of the few tenured people to actually bring their concerns to the faculty. Kamala Harris is the hotshot rising associate professor known for showing up to job talks and destroying weak candidates with withering questions. She also suddenly became a transnational historian once that became a popular topic and abandoned her dissertation on diplomatic history. Elizabeth Warren is the established full professor who is still putting out highly regarded research while having a high reputation as a teacher. She also has managed to take Professor Sanders' side in faculty meeting disputes without alienating her colleagues. Beto O'Rourke is the young, run of the mill assistant professor who thinks he is above his current department, and tries and fails every year to land a job at a more prestigious university. Tim Ryan thinks his obsession with grade inflation is the reason that his class enrollments are low, not the fact that he is an insufferable rear end who lacks empathy for his students. Amy Klobuchar is the professor who has racked up a lot of publications but has never mentored a graduate student on through their dissertation, despite taking on several of them in their first year at the school. When asked about this her former advisees, who always take on a different advisor or drop out, go silent. Junior colleagues pray that she's not on their tenure committee. When Tulsi Gabbard comes up in conversation her colleagues sigh and point fingers over who was responsible for hiring her. Pete Buttigieg is the Type A personality assistant professor who got hired while he was still ABD at an Ivy League university. He was the golden child of his well-known advisor, but he mysteriously hasn't published anything yet. Julian Castro is the new hire that nobody talked about when he arrived but had the fattest binders when he applied for tenure. Cory Booker is the professor who is constantly talking about himself. This draws a core group of impressionable students who don't understand why the other professors roll their eyes when they express their admiration for him. Marianne Williamson is the professor who burns incense in her office and invites grad students over to her home to try edibles.
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Jul 3, 2019 00:11
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Mike the TV posted:My wife pays for the top-tier Kaiser plan at over $650 per month and it covers almost nothing except flu shots. lmao at people that want to keep the current system. Burn it all down. Literally having no system and paying cash straight to doctors would be better. why not quit the plan then
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Jul 3, 2019 00:15
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please don't
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VideoGameVet posted:If The Democratic Primary Field Was a University History Department Dumb, but I appreciated it.
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Jul 3, 2019 00:15
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Another poll with Bernie in fourth, and a huge jump for Harris. https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/status/1146188584610910208?s=19
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Jul 3, 2019 00:22
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Top advisors are literally in tears, begging Bernie to do something. He's squinting at a 20 year old PC monitor, looking at vacations homes on zillow
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Jul 3, 2019 00:58
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If The Democratic Primary Field Was Secondary Characters In An Isekai Light Novel
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Jul 3, 2019 00:59
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Here's a big thread about why Buttigieg is bad, mostly stuff we knew about him doing everything he can to protect a racist, murderous police department. But this one was a surprise https://twitter.com/niktaylorde/status/1145726512714387456
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Gripweed posted:Here's a big thread about why Buttigieg is bad, mostly stuff we knew about him doing everything he can to protect a racist, murderous police department. But this one was a surprise Lol I thought maybe this was an old quote from long ago and a position he might’ve changed or something. But this was a question they asked all the candidates.
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Jul 3, 2019 01:26
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GreyjoyBastard posted:why not quit the plan then lol. Or get a new job! Or relocate! Preferably to a country (any of them) without the nightmare of America's system.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:why not quit the plan then Because the insurance price is still cheaper then being uninsured even if the plan doesn't cover poo poo, probably
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Gripweed posted:Here's a big thread about why Buttigieg is bad, mostly stuff we knew about him doing everything he can to protect a racist, murderous police department. But this one was a surprise wait, buttchug is an antivaxxer? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 3, 2019 02:50
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Z. Autobahn posted:Some new polls Everyone said debates matter in primaries.
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Jul 3, 2019 03:01
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Judakel posted:Everyone said debates matter in primaries. Naw, there were multiple posters who said they wouldn't in response to "Biden will collapse once the debates start"
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Jul 3, 2019 03:04
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joepinetree posted:Comparison of RCP poll average versus results for the primaries that Bernie won in 2016 (for states with enough polling for an RCP average): out of curiosity, i looked up your craziest example here and RCP only has a single poll, conducted 3 months before the primary, of 310 registered voters in one of the hardest-to-poll states there is (and sanders over performed by 40 points, not 66). so it's not really much of an average anyways, i support your efforts to Unskew The Polls but i think your methodology could be a little more sophisticated
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Condiv posted:wait, buttchug is an antivaxxer? He's not an antivaxxer. He made a statement saying he supported letting people opt out for religious reasons unless there's a public health crisis that would override that. After he got criticism for it, he "walked it back"...ie, changed his position. But you can support letting people opt out of vaccination and not yourself be antivax. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/441537-buttigieg-campaign-says-he-supports-some-vaccine-exemptions
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Jul 3, 2019 03:07
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Epicurius posted:He's not an antivaxxer. He made a statement saying he supported letting people opt out for religious reasons unless there's a public health crisis that would override that. After he got criticism for it, he "walked it back"...ie, changed his position. But you can support letting people opt out of vaccination and not yourself be antivax. This is incorrect. Supporting opt-outs is being anti-vax due to the realities of herd immunity.
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Jul 3, 2019 03:09
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LinYutang posted:Another poll with Bernie in fourth, and a huge jump for Harris. We're going to get stuck with Biden or Harris as the nominee because Bernie cares more about damaging the Democratic Party than anything else.
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Jul 3, 2019 03:10
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The thing about the polls is that even if the baselines are systemically wrong, relative movement is still a thing. Like even if the polls are undervaluing Bernie's support by 5% across the board, it's still true that he lost position this week relative to last week. At this point in time, relative movement is probably the most useful thing polls can tell us.
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Jul 3, 2019 03:11
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If Bernie dropped out all establishment support for Warren would instantly vanish
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Jul 3, 2019 03:11
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smg77 posted:We're going to get stuck with Biden or Harris as the nominee because Bernie cares more about damaging the Democratic Party than anything else. after all, they're batting 1000 so far. how you liking the 4.5 billion they handed Trump for the concentration camps last week, along with a stinging rebuke for the naive children who said "no, that is monstrosity." definitely a party whose power structure must be protected, in order to facilitate its continued operation in its present state.
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Judakel posted:This is incorrect. Supporting opt-outs is being anti-vax due to the realities of herd immunity. It's not. Supporting opt outs (except for special medical reasons, like the person is immunocompromised) is a bad idea and bad public policy, for the aforementioned herd immunity. It's a bad position. But generally when people say "anti-vax", they mean that they think vaccines themselves are bad things or dangerous or cause autism or whatever. You can support vaccine optouts and not at the same time think vaccines are bad or dangerous.
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