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Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Babe Magnet posted:

Also watching dudes rage at tiny poo poo has always been fun and will continue to be, heated gamer moments be damned. Someone was raging about spawncamping the other night lol

if you get spawncamped in Mordhau that round was long-over anyways lol

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Parachute
May 18, 2003
the only time to really use chat is when you need to say "sry" after accidentally tk'ing a teammate via javelin to the dome from a foot away when he was in the middle of a different fight

Vhak lord of hate
Jun 6, 2008

I AM DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS
On the other hand the secret meta is currently typing "I think minorities should get two votes" in chat and then killing the other team as they're busy furiously writing their reply.

Parachute
May 18, 2003
im also a huge fan of the aforementioned drive-by style of trolling the masses

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
"socialism or barbarism" used to reliably get the grognards super angry in MechWarrior Online and I'd imagine it'd do the same thing here

Captain Beans
Aug 5, 2004

Whar be the beans?
Hair Elf
I legit love the chat in this because it helps remind me how loving stupid and petty everyone is on the internet. Sometimes I forget because I ditched Facebook a while back, so I don’t get much exposure to people having meltdowns on display.

Euro servers in Warband Napoleon mod were a true goldmine where people are taking poo poo about tiny nation grudges from 200 years ago, not ready to let go yet.

Captain Beans fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jul 2, 2019

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I legitimately love it when I hear the the Spanish argue with the french, etc. It's usually funny. Even better if they get so angry they revert from English back to French or whatever. Peak of comedy

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



I decided to counter the hatred with kindness, and with positive results:

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

Firstborn posted:

Can you expand on this? Not the dickspider part, but why you wouldn't recommend

The gameplay, while lovely in spots is solid. But the devs have deliberately accrued a playerbase infested with nazis, use nazi memes and ingest nazi semen. They'll bend over backwards to make sure pepeforpresident1488 is accommodated and as much of their cum is ingested as possible. They deliberately keep a plausible deniability shield like most nazis on the internet in order to fool credulous centrists and liberals who while not currently enjoying the taste of nazi semen directly, don't mind the taste when its mixed with the delicious sugar of video games. Apparently the sharp scent of white supremacist spunk is easily explained away as 'oh its just a regular video game, they're all rocking iron cross avatars on CS' or 'Ok sure there's an infestation of nazis but its not really the devs fault' but what they don't or more accurately, cannot acknowledge is that the devs are on their knees polishing nazi dicks with the ruthless mechanical efficiency of vacuum cleaner.

They don't deserve your money, they've chosen their goddamn audience. If you buy Mordhau you are funding the ongoing effort to gargle the balls of every nazi. That only makes sense if you're a nazi. Chivalry two is coming soon anyhow and I hope it euthanizes this suck puppy once and for all.

VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?




Is not doing anything the same as deliberately recruiting?

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


VulgarandStupid posted:

Is not doing anything the same as deliberately recruiting?

Providing a space to gather and radicalize is already doing something, the question is whether one is okay with that in pursuit of the dolla

Disgusting Coward
Feb 17, 2014

Motherfucker posted:

The gameplay, while lovely in spots is solid. But the devs have deliberately accrued a playerbase infested with nazis, use nazi memes and ingest nazi semen. They'll bend over backwards to make sure pepeforpresident1488 is accommodated and as much of their cum is ingested as possible. They deliberately keep a plausible deniability shield like most nazis on the internet in order to fool credulous centrists and liberals who while not currently enjoying the taste of nazi semen directly, don't mind the taste when its mixed with the delicious sugar of video games. Apparently the sharp scent of white supremacist spunk is easily explained away as 'oh its just a regular video game, they're all rocking iron cross avatars on CS' or 'Ok sure there's an infestation of nazis but its not really the devs fault' but what they don't or more accurately, cannot acknowledge is that the devs are on their knees polishing nazi dicks with the ruthless mechanical efficiency of vacuum cleaner.

They don't deserve your money, they've chosen their goddamn audience. If you buy Mordhau you are funding the ongoing effort to gargle the balls of every nazi. That only makes sense if you're a nazi. Chivalry two is coming soon anyhow and I hope it euthanizes this suck puppy once and for all.

Just to check - is incredible levels of homophobia better or worse than racism?

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

Disgusting Coward posted:

Just to check - is incredible levels of homophobia better or worse than racism?

Nazi cum is the only bad cum, friend, because it means a nazi came. Anyhow I didn't mention specific genders or sexes, so quit trying to score points in your own goal!

Motherfucker fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jul 2, 2019

Schubalts
Nov 26, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.

ThatBasqueGuy posted:

Providing a space to gather and radicalize is already doing something

To reinforce this point, from the Pcgamer article:

quote:

As an example, one of the forum’s most popular threads is titled ‘Post your kniggas,’ in which players share images of their character builds. The thread started in 2017 when Mordhau was in alpha, and has attracted more than 2,600 comments since. One of those comments says "step up my kniggas," another says "listen here, human being." When one player questions the racism in the thread’s title, another responds: "you are gay."

In other forums, a thread with that title may be deleted on sight—but the Mordhau devs don't have a problem with it, or its contents. "It is one of our longest and oldest [threads], as well as among the most active threads on our forum, full of creative loadouts from our community," says Andrew Geach, speaking on behalf of the team.

"As for the title itself, we as a team don’t find it racist or offensive, and considering the thread’s content, we find it even less so. We do understand however that some people may interpret it as being racist or inappropriate if taken out of context."

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Motherfucker posted:

The gameplay, while lovely in spots is solid. But the devs have deliberately accrued a playerbase infested with nazis, use nazi memes and ingest nazi semen. They'll bend over backwards to make sure pepeforpresident1488 is accommodated and as much of their cum is ingested as possible. They deliberately keep a plausible deniability shield like most nazis on the internet in order to fool credulous centrists and liberals who while not currently enjoying the taste of nazi semen directly, don't mind the taste when its mixed with the delicious sugar of video games. Apparently the sharp scent of white supremacist spunk is easily explained away as 'oh its just a regular video game, they're all rocking iron cross avatars on CS' or 'Ok sure there's an infestation of nazis but its not really the devs fault' but what they don't or more accurately, cannot acknowledge is that the devs are on their knees polishing nazi dicks with the ruthless mechanical efficiency of vacuum cleaner.

They don't deserve your money, they've chosen their goddamn audience. If you buy Mordhau you are funding the ongoing effort to gargle the balls of every nazi. That only makes sense if you're a nazi. Chivalry two is coming soon anyhow and I hope it euthanizes this suck puppy once and for all.

This isn't wrong, unfortunately.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


This line

quote:

"As for the title itself, we as a team don’t find it racist or offensive, and considering the thread’s content, we find it even less so. We do understand however that some people may interpret it as being racist or inappropriate if taken out of context."
is what really sold me on it. I'll prolly keep playing but not recommend to others if the devs are really this small-brained (they aren't, it's disengenous PR speak)

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

Schubalts posted:

"As for the title itself, we as a team don’t find it racist or offensive, and considering the thread’s content, we find it even less so. We do understand however that some people may interpret it as being racist or inappropriate if taken out of context."

Turns out there's no context in which it isn't you loving morons.

ThatBasqueGuy posted:

is what really sold me on it. I'll prolly keep playing but not recommend to others if the devs are really this small-brained (they aren't, it's disengenous PR speak)

Basically this, hyperbolic cum metaphores aside they explicitly know they can get their nazi gold and fend off all criticism with a thin candy shell of obliviousness.

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
I do a lot of horde mode for fun and chat is usually cool or having fun or joking or asking where specific items are on the map and then someone helps them :)

Captain Beans
Aug 5, 2004

Whar be the beans?
Hair Elf

Motherfucker posted:

Basically this, hyperbolic cum metaphores aside they explicitly know they can get their nazi gold and fend off all criticism with a thin candy shell of obliviousness.

Do you think that is an intentional scheme to sell copies to racists or possibly because they are a small group that just wants to develop a game, and avoid getting drawn into moderating a huge online community?

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

Captain Beans posted:

Do you think that is an intentional scheme to sell copies to racists or possibly because they are a small group that just wants to develop a game, and avoid getting drawn into moderating a huge online community?

quote:

"As for the title itself, we as a team don’t find it racist or offensive, and considering the thread’s content, we find it even less so. We do understand however that some people may interpret it as being racist or inappropriate if taken out of context."

Listen even if they WERE just apathetically letting the nazis cum down their throats it dosn't change that nazis are spunking hard because of their actions with their tacit permission.

Dungeon Ecology
Feb 9, 2011

Parachute posted:

im also a huge fan of the aforementioned drive-by style of trolling the masses

"press 1 on the numpad to open your mini map" is one of my favs


RIP
RIP
RIP

cerebral
Oct 24, 2002

Motherfucker posted:

Listen even if they WERE just apathetically letting the nazis cum down their throats it dosn't change that nazis are spunking hard because of their actions with their tacit permission.

I'd agree with you (minus the strange focus on homoerotic insults) 100%, but there is some space to explain the Devs behavior, (explain, not excuse) based on the fact that they are almost entirely not American. Expecting everyone to understand and appreciate the issues of racism through the lens of the American experience is an easy thing to do, but doesn't take into account their different experiences and understanding of racial issues.

That said...they need to learn real loving quick, because providing a safe space for people spouting Nazi ideology for shits and giggles isn't acceptable. If you plan on making something for a largely American audience, you'd better be prepared to deal with American problems.

I think there is a bad combination of a lack of understanding, fear, inexperience, and apathy that is causing them to hope the situation just goes away on its own. It's not going to, things are just going to get worse, and it is my prediction that article and this uproar is going to embolden the Nazis and the Nazi-adjacent trolls, and things are going to get way worse before they get better.

I hope I'm wrong.

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

cerebral posted:

I'd agree with you (minus the strange focus on homoerotic insults) 100%, but there is some space to explain the Devs behavior, (explain, not excuse) based on the fact that they are almost entirely not American. Expecting everyone to understand and appreciate the issues of racism through the lens of the American experience is an easy thing to do, but doesn't take into account their different experiences and understanding of racial issues.

That said...they need to learn real loving quick, because providing a safe space for people spouting Nazi ideology for shits and giggles isn't acceptable. If you plan on making something for a largely American audience, you'd better be prepared to deal with American problems.

I think there is a bad combination of a lack of understanding, fear, inexperience, and apathy that is causing them to hope the situation just goes away on its own. It's not going to, things are just going to get worse, and it is my prediction that article and this uproar is going to embolden the Nazis and the Nazi-adjacent trolls, and things are going to get way worse before they get better.

I hope I'm wrong.

I'm pretty sure people from their region understand nazis plenty. I just don't think these guys do because they're garbage. I'm over giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

Nazis weren't American neither.

cerebral
Oct 24, 2002

I shouldn't have used the term Nazi, I should have just said racist asshats. Apparently that gives the impression that I don't understand the European history with Nazis. My bad.

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.
I mean, they're indivisible. But here's the raw, I don't think they don't understand extremely online internet racists I think they 'don't understand' them. In that being constantly confewesed and 'not quite sure' is part of the whole mental dance you have to do to be a racist shithead and court them without being treated like one by credulous fools who will bend over backwards to give you another chance to be extremely poo poo. Its quite the system.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

cerebral posted:

I shouldn't have used the term Nazi, I should have just said racist asshats. Apparently that gives the impression that I don't understand the European history with Nazis. My bad.

You do know that Europe has a rich and ongoing history of anti-black, anti-immigrant, and white-nationalist activity, right? Europeans are pretty great at being racist asshats without the help of America.

Like, not having learned about the Montgomery bus boycotts in school or personally experienced a segregated inner city neighborhood in the US doesn’t mean that a European white supremacist gets a pass when he starts commenting on how the Africans make his neighborhood dirty or whatever.

And yes, there’s a ton of cross-pollination between computer-toucher white nationalists in the US and computer-toucher white nationalists in Europe and Australia over the internet so the idea that professional game developers are somehow unaware of how deep the poo poo goes is fatuous.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Electric Bugaloo posted:

You do know that Europe has a rich and ongoing history of anti-black, anti-immigrant, and white-nationalist activity, right? Europeans are pretty great at being racist asshats without the help of America.

Like, not having learned about the Montgomery bus boycotts in school or personally experienced a segregated inner city neighborhood in the US doesn’t mean that a European white supremacist gets a pass when he starts commenting on how the Africans make his neighborhood dirty or whatever.

And yes, there’s a ton of cross-pollination between computer-toucher white nationalists in the US and computer-toucher white nationalists in Europe and Australia over the internet so the idea that professional game developers are somehow unaware of how deep the poo poo goes is fatuous.

Yeah europe is extremely racist, more so than the US even.

And russia is like the jim crow south today

VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

cerebral
Oct 24, 2002

Electric Bugaloo posted:

You do know that Europe has a rich and ongoing history of anti-black, anti-immigrant, and white-nationalist activity, right? Europeans are pretty great at being racist asshats without the help of America.

Like, not having learned about the Montgomery bus boycotts in school or personally experienced a segregated inner city neighborhood in the US doesn’t mean that a European white supremacist gets a pass when he starts commenting on how the Africans make his neighborhood dirty or whatever.

And yes, there’s a ton of cross-pollination between computer-toucher white nationalists in the US and computer-toucher white nationalists in Europe and Australia over the internet so the idea that professional game developers are somehow unaware of how deep the poo poo goes is fatuous.

Of course there is, all you have to do is watch a soccer match and count the number of bananas thrown on the pitch. But if you don't think there is some confusion or lack of understanding of American style racism and the interplay between it and the legalities of free speech, let alone the ideals of free speech, then we've been talking to different Euros. For someone not well versed in racial issues, this is an area fraught with peril, and I can see where someone would think that, "Put a toggle in, then everyone will be happy!" might be the perfect solution to the issue.

You can assign a malign intent to the actions of the Dev team, and you may be right, but when I look at the totality of the circumstances, the size of the Dev group, the mix of nationalities, the ages, the assumptions I make about their experiences, I find it plausible that there are other reasons behind their admittedly tone deaf reactions, rather than, "LOL RACISTS", and I choose not to jump to that conclusion, yet.

I'm not going to change any of your minds, your threshold for the evidence needed to make a moral judgment about others' actions is not going to be swayed by a stranger on the internet, I'm just saying my threshold hasn't been met, and I'm not willing to write them or the game off yet.

cerebral fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jul 3, 2019

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

cerebral posted:

Of course there is, all you have to do is watch a soccer match and count the number of bananas thrown on the pitch. But if you don't think there is some confusion or lack of understanding of American style racism and the interplay between it and the legalities of free speech, let alone the ideals of free speech, then we've been talking to different Euros.

You can assign a malign intent to the actions of the Dev team, and you may be right, but when I look at the totality of the circumstances, the size of the Dev group, the mix of nationalities, the ages, the assumptions I make about their experiences, I find it plausible that there are other reasons behind their admittedly tone deaf reactions, rather than, "LOL RACISTS", and I choose not to jump to that conclusion, yet.

I'm not going to change any of your minds, your threshold for the evidence needed to make a moral judgment about others' actions is not going to be swayed by a stranger on the internet, I'm just saying my threshold hasn't been met, and I'm not willing to write them or the game off yet.

If its apathy then people can be forgiven for calling it a malign and objectionable apathy

cerebral
Oct 24, 2002

hakimashou posted:

If its apathy then people can be forgiven for calling it a malign and objectionable apathy

I'm outlining my reasoning and my point of view, no one needs forgiveness from me if they come to a different conclusion. My own conclusions are fluid and will change rapidly based on the available evidence.

edit: "apathy" was a bad choice of words, but I couldn't think of a word that sums up the idea that they lack resources to deal with it easily and want desperately for it to go away with minimal effort on their part.

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

cerebral posted:

Of course there is, all you have to do is watch a soccer match and count the number of bananas thrown on the pitch. But if you don't think there is some confusion or lack of understanding of American style racism and the interplay between it and the legalities of free speech, let alone the ideals of free speech, then we've been talking to different Euros.

You can assign a malign intent to the actions of the Dev team, and you may be right, but when I look at the totality of the circumstances, the size of the Dev group, the mix of nationalities, the ages, the assumptions I make about their experiences, I find it plausible that there are other reasons behind their admittedly tone deaf reactions, rather than, "LOL RACISTS", and I choose not to jump to that conclusion, yet.

I'm not going to change any of your minds, your threshold for the evidence needed to make a moral judgment about others' actions is not going to be swayed by a stranger on the internet, I'm just saying my threshold hasn't been met, and I'm not willing to write them or the game off yet.

ok but the 'mix of nationalities' is all white europeans, and the other factors are nice to pad a list with but don't mean anything?

Like I said, you don't need to believe they're racist you just have to be completely cool with letting them continue to do clearly racist things and dismissing everyone who points it out as 'LOL RACISTS' hysterical godwins law blah blah bullshit and since you're more interested in doing that than turning a critical eye on something you enjoy than I hope you enjoy that weird taste in your mouth...

cerebral
Oct 24, 2002

editing it out, it wasn't constructive

cerebral fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jul 3, 2019

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

someone called me out earlier for using a mace??? like, "nice mace bitch" or something like that lol

VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?




If you haven't built a time machine and gone back in time kill Hitler, you are actually a Hitler. Prove me wrong.

have you seen my baby
Nov 22, 2009

Dying to the mace is way more frustrating to me than rapier spam or shields or almost anything else

Captain Beans
Aug 5, 2004

Whar be the beans?
Hair Elf

Babe Magnet posted:

someone called me out earlier for using a mace??? like, "nice mace bitch" or something like that lol

He’s bewildered anyone uses it

Follow up with a 1h Warhammer kill

FLIPADELPHIA
Apr 27, 2007

Heavy Shit
Grimey Drawer

cerebral posted:


You can assign a malign intent to the actions of the Dev team,

They said there is a context where the N word isn't racist.

One doesn't have to be "malign" to be indirectly providing an environment where racists gather and find racist sanctuary.

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Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

cerebral posted:

Dude, just come out and call me a racist for not joining your point of view right now and waiting for more evidence. You've been champing at the bit trying to call out everyone in the thread who doesn't agree with you 100% since the beginning of the thread.

I think I'd rather be actively against racism than taking it via feeding tube Terri Schiavo style, you weird roach.

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