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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Epicurius posted:It's not. Supporting opt outs (except for special medical reasons, like the person is immunocompromised) is a bad idea and bad public policy, for the aforementioned herd immunity. It's a bad position. But generally when people say "anti-vax", they mean that they think vaccines themselves are bad things or dangerous or cause autism or whatever. You can support vaccine optouts and not at the same time think vaccines are bad or dangerous. It is. The only excuse is medical. That's it. Otherwise, you're antivax. My man Pete supports(ed?) non-medical exemptions.
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Jul 3, 2019 03:21
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Epicurius posted:He's not an antivaxxer. He made a statement saying he supported letting people opt out for religious reasons unless there's a public health crisis that would override that. After he got criticism for it, he "walked it back"...ie, changed his position. But you can support letting people opt out of vaccination and not yourself be antivax. IDK this seems like an anti-vax position to most people in this thread: quote:I understand that many vaccines are important and save lives. I recognize there are epidemics around the world that are stopped by vaccines. I also understand some of the skepticism that abounds today about drugs which are rushed to market by Big Pharma. I am sorry that I made comments which sounded as though I question the validity of life-saving vaccines. That is not my feeling and I realize that I misspoke.
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Jul 3, 2019 03:25
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As with most Democratic compromise positions, it doesn't matter why they are giving way to idiocy: the end result is dead children
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Jul 3, 2019 03:29
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Epicurius posted:It's not. Supporting opt outs (except for special medical reasons, like the person is immunocompromised) is a bad idea and bad public policy, for the aforementioned herd immunity. It's a bad position. But generally when people say "anti-vax", they mean that they think vaccines themselves are bad things or dangerous or cause autism or whatever. You can support vaccine optouts and not at the same time think vaccines are bad or dangerous. That's still anti-vax. Nothing else is treated this way, if you support motorcycle helmet 'opt-outs' you're anti-helmet even if you're careful to say helmets are good, if you support anti-discrimination law 'opt-outs' you're anti-civil rights even if you're careful to say it's good to not discriminate.
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Jul 3, 2019 03:31
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Judakel posted:It is. The only excuse is medical. That's it. Otherwise, you're antivax. My man Pete supports(ed?) non-medical exemptions. Clearly we have a different definition of "antivax". VitalSigns posted:That's still anti-vax. I wouldn't say nothing else is treated that way. Nobody says you're anti-Social Security if you don't want to repeal the Amish opt-out. I mean, it's kind of a moot point anyway, because it's not a federal issue. Vaccination laws are state matters. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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Jul 3, 2019 03:35
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It doesn't matter literally at all whether you call Pete antivax, as long as we know his position and that his position is bullshit and actively harmful. You can say he is or isn't antivax, but it depends on your definition of the word and I don't really see what's to be gained from arguing over that.
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Jul 3, 2019 03:35
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VitalSigns posted:if you support motorcycle helmet 'opt-outs' you're anti-helmet lol. It's not even close to the same thing. wearing a helmet on your head or not has absolutely no impact on others
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Jul 3, 2019 03:35
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oxsnard posted:lol. It's not even close to the same thing. wearing a helmet on your head or not has absolutely no impact on others Until you crash in front of an eight year old child. The difference between a difficult talk and a future pizza themed batman villain.
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Jul 3, 2019 03:38
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Jul 3, 2019 03:39
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MrFlibble posted:Until you crash in front of an eight year old child. Relevant https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-rider-dies-protesting-motorcycle-helmet-law/story?id=13993417
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Jul 3, 2019 03:47
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lol @ that post that is like "all the dem candidates are like various quirky professor stereotypes, except for Warren, who has all the other professors' strengths and none of their weaknesses and is basically the perfect person."
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Jul 3, 2019 03:49
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Jul 3, 2019 03:56
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eke out posted:out of curiosity, i looked up your craziest example here and RCP only has a single poll, conducted 3 months before the primary, of 310 registered voters in one of the hardest-to-poll states there is (and sanders over performed by 40 points, not 66). so it's not really much of an average I mean, I only scraped the top two rows which are results and average. And I am talking about overperfoming in the margin of victory. That poll was clinton +3 and he won +63. I'm not going to spend any time vetting the average or manually opening the page and counting polls for a post on D&D, but a quick look shows that WI, MI, NH all had over 10 polls, so even if you're going to ignore all the ones that are rarely polled the argument is still the same. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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Jul 3, 2019 03:57
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Stop linking that lovely dudes twitter threads on why the candidates are bad. Somebody in the comments pointed out he just copy pasted an article from medium. https://medium.com/@westonpagano/a-guide-to-the-2020-democratic-candidates-you-should-not-vote-for-c1c6e4c9c26
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Jul 3, 2019 04:27
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:lol I'm not going to defend Nate but I think there's a difference between that and just saying "actually polls do matter." Like I've gone out of my way to explain why I think the polling is going to systematically underrate Bernie (and for that matter, though probably to a lesser extent, Warren) but you ignored all that poo poo in favor of the zinger. Good on you I wasn't even dunking on you, stop being so defensive lmao Also I've told nerds in the past to stop trying to extrapolate ~bernie's gonna win!~ out of mildly favourable polls too so vOv smg77 posted:We're going to get stuck with Biden or Harris as the nominee because Bernie cares more about damaging the Democratic Party than anything else. what the christ does this even mean
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Jul 3, 2019 05:28
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Gripweed posted:If Bernie dropped out all establishment support for Warren would instantly vanish It’s 100% going to go behind Kamala over the next couple of months now that she has shown herself capable of knifing Biden. He’s going to nosedive and quietly bow out for “health concerns” after another debate or two.
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Jul 3, 2019 06:18
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:It’s 100% going to go behind Kamala over the next couple of months now that she has shown herself capable of knifing Biden. He’s going to nosedive and quietly bow out for “health concerns” after another debate or two. Thank gently caress, Biden was the absolute worst case scenario
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Jul 3, 2019 06:22
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Harris winning would be only tolerable because of how upset the Nazis will be about a black woman being president
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Jul 3, 2019 06:31
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Epicurius posted:Clearly we have a different definition of "antivax". You have to take a hardline position on things that kill children man.
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Jul 3, 2019 06:33
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oxsnard posted:Harris winning would be only tolerable because of how upset the Nazis will be about a black woman being president And then you get to spend 4-8 years watching that president capitulate to almost every demand they make. Sounds great.
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Jul 3, 2019 06:34
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Halloween Fingers posted:And then you get to spend 4-8 years watching that president capitulate to almost every demand they make. Sounds great. Yeah President Harris lets everyone pretend everything is great now as we continue to murder children in concentration camps and launch a war against Iran while the poor and downtrodden in the US continue to circle the drain. But hey at least we'll get lots of slay kween gifs.
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Jul 3, 2019 06:49
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Harris is for people who want Biden’s evil while pretending they aren’t throwing their support to the indefensible right-wing cause.
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Jul 3, 2019 06:54
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Wait till kamala harris pardons every cop who shots a black or mexican kid. Then youll all be gooning abuut how you shoulda picked tree stump biden
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Jul 3, 2019 06:56
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Wait till kamala harris pardons every cop who shots a black or mexican kid. Then youll all be gooning abuut how you shoulda picked tree stump biden Good point. We may as well head all that off at the pass and just vote for Bernie. That'd save us all a lot of grief in the long run.
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Jul 3, 2019 07:20
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It’s pretty great that Bootyjudge is now objectively even more of a joke-tier candidate than the crystal queen thanks to him being an anti-vaxxer. Any other anti-vaxx “respectable” candidates?
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Jul 3, 2019 12:39
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seeing biden falling is good but it sucks it's harris that's skyrocketing. https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1145575260810633221
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Jul 3, 2019 13:09
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oxsnard posted:Harris winning would be only tolerable because of how upset the Nazis will be about a black woman being president *hate crimes go up by 1000%* "heh, triggered?"
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Jul 3, 2019 13:24
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New ABC / Wapo poll that looks quite a bit different than some others already posted ITT. https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1146359918460583936
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Jul 3, 2019 13:26
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Wow yeah that's quite different. I find that both a little frustrating and a little reassuring somehow. 8 more months of this until Iowa augh
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Jul 3, 2019 13:30
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Divot posted:New ABC / Wapo poll that looks quite a bit different than some others already posted ITT. Biden down to a 6 point lead from what, like over 15 or whatever before? After one debate.
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Jul 3, 2019 13:43
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it rules that mayor pete can't crack 5 percent but raised as much as sanders. very real, grassroots support.
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Jul 3, 2019 13:44
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Groovelord Neato posted:it rules that mayor pete can't crack 5 percent but raised as much as sanders. very real, grassroots support. What's really gonna suck is when he comes back 4-12 years down the line and runs as a serious contender.
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Jul 3, 2019 13:47
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Skippy McPants posted:What's really gonna suck is when he comes back 4-12 years down the line and runs as a serious contender. By then America will be either socialist or fascist and either way he will not be viable. VH4Ever posted:Biden down to a 6 point lead from what, like over 15 or whatever before? After one debate. Yeah, thing is about Biden's popularity is that once it goes down it's almost certainly going to stay down, because it's a mix of name recognition and 'electability', both of which are extremely flaky and will flee the moment someone else appears remotely viable or says something that actually gets their attention. And Biden has failed miserably in every single competitive election he's run in even when he wasn't obviously senile.
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Jul 3, 2019 13:58
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Skippy McPants posted:What's really gonna suck is when he comes back 4-12 years down the line and runs as a serious contender. There's no way. Either Bernie will have won and Mayor Pete style robots will no longer be leaders in the Democrat party, Trump will have won and there will no longer even be the illusion of free elections in a bunch of states so who cares, or Harris will have won, served one term, and been replaced by a King/Crenshaw ticket after which elections are formally canceled
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Jul 3, 2019 14:01
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Ghost Leviathan posted:By then America will be either socialist or fascist and either way he will not be viable. I agree. Once you lose "Oh, Biden...Obama...better times..." what is there to bring a person back? Especially if what's turning people off is the fact that your brain no longer works correctly?
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Jul 3, 2019 14:06
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Divot posted:New ABC / Wapo poll that looks quite a bit different than some others already posted ITT. The two with Bernie in fourth are getting all the press and will continue to do so. There's articles everywhere about him falling behind the pack after months of not mentioning he was at #2 or just outright omitting him from results (like MSNBC). Polls are garbage and speculating about them is sniffing the garbage but that's what we're here to do, so my take is the two with him in fourth are more representative of polling "politically engaged" types who are already treating the debates like gameday who've realized Biden's not going to be a publicly acceptable choice long term, so you'll see his support start to fracture between Harris, Buttigieg and Warren. This means Bernie is going to continue to be further back in the ranks in some polls from now on, but doesn't really indicate any loss of support or momentum for him. Of course it doesn't help, either, and he's not going to capture anyone from those camps until/unless primaries begin and he's picked up 3 or 4 wins.
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Jul 3, 2019 14:06
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Gripweed posted:There's no way. Either Bernie will have won and Mayor Pete style robots will no longer be leaders in the Democrat party, Trump will have won and there will no longer even be the illusion of free elections in a bunch of states so who cares, or Harris will have won, served one term, and been replaced by a King/Crenshaw ticket after which elections are formally canceled King? Steven King? He could barely win his own house district. He would need Pete Davidson to tell literally thousands of anodyne jokes about him to improve his national profile enough. And probably also go back in time and be a Troop.
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Jul 3, 2019 14:10
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Kind of the point is that 2016 made it very clear that the neoliberal political order was always unsustainable and is now a rotting, tilting mess waiting to keel over at the slightest pressure, and everything since then has gone on to prove it.
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Jul 3, 2019 14:21
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Ghost Leviathan posted:By then America will be either socialist or fascist and either way he will not be viable. You're talking as if the Dem establishment wouldn't go full Quisling the moment that the fash take over.
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Jul 3, 2019 14:22
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Cerebral Bore posted:You're talking as if the Dem establishment wouldn't go full Quisling the moment that the fash take over. Which isn't gonna stop Republicans taking absolute glee in publicly persecuting them.
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