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Sanguinia posted:Since when? It wasn't a few years ago california is often on the list of donor states but apparently (barely) isn't at the moment
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SickZip posted:California isn't a donor state, it recieves more from the federal government then it puts in. I was never clear on seeing the whole donor state vs recipient state map, whether that counts money funding military bases and equipment in a state, or just things that help infrastructure and services
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Killer robot posted:I was never clear on seeing the whole donor state vs recipient state map, whether that counts money funding military bases and equipment in a state, or just things that help infrastructure and services It depends on whose doing the math. California has been roughly neutral trending toward taker with various yearly estimates placing it on either side of the line.
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Pervis posted:That and the federal government siphoning money out to prop up shitholes that are being run in to the ground by the Republican party. Government-run redistribution of wealth is A-OK as long as it's the Pretending that the US south isn't disproportionally black and that the people living in those shitholes deserve it is pretty much Peak Californian.
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Jul 3, 2019 06:29
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Also let's not forget that 35% of people in Alabama who voted went with Clinton
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Jul 3, 2019 06:33
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I’m sorry but isn’t one possibility that mums a racist and probably won’t listen to any reason or rational discourse? Because Cali is pretty good benchmark wise and if her concern was genuine she’d be able to figure that out quickly. But if her media diet is Fox News 24/7, well, see hypothesis #1.
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The giver/taker state rankings are incredibly dumb in any case. If you were to break it down into giver/taker counties/communities then you become Mitt Romney talking about the takers of inner city Chicago and the givers of Aspen. The states that are "givers" are the ones that receive outsized rental or corporate income. Delaware, for instance, is such a "generous" giver because of its status as a tax haven SickZip fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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Jul 3, 2019 06:38
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squirrelzipper posted:I’m sorry but isn’t one possibility that mums a racist and probably won’t listen to any reason or rational discourse? Because Cali is pretty good benchmark wise and if her concern was genuine she’d be able to figure that out quickly. But if her media diet is Fox News 24/7, well, see hypothesis #1. What benchmarks are you talking about exactly?
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cochise posted:This gets brought up a lot. It's written into law that any American official or service member held there that's standing trial would be retrieved with extreme prejudice. And by that I mean an invasion by US military forces and The Hague probably no longer existing. We can all thank W. and post 9-11 fervor for that. The wording of the law doesn't outright state an invasion but by "any and all means" and the nickname is literally called The Hague Invasion Act. The US wouldn't even invade North Korea to free Americans and they wanted an excuse to do that.
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KillHour posted:I could also make a statement that says if I'm ever held in jail, my friends and family will lay siege to have me released. Somehow, I don't think that would prevent me from being jailed, even if I had a really big family with lots of guns. Uh, prior to invading they would pretty much shut down the UN, IMF, WTO and other important acronyms, which would be worse in some ways. HOWEVER Donny bright eyes has inadvertently almost done all that anyways, so yeah, they would have to drop SEALS into Holland. Hm, original film, do not steal!
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SickZip posted:What benchmarks are you talking about exactly? I mean all of them other than housing? Like Cali has 33 homeless residents per 10000 and N.C. has 9 per 10000. Ok. But Cali is the worlds 5th largest economy with 3 major urban centers, and N.C. is, uh, a place? Is there a city there that anyone would know? So you want me to explain why a state with an economy larger than the UK... you know what? gently caress it. You’re right, Cali is a socialist homeless hellhole and those good white folks in Carolina are just asking questions. E; I’m not holding anywhere up but singling homelessness out as a metric of comparison between California and a Carolina is really dumb. What benchmarks? Ok, per capita crime, median income, life expectancy are all also valid. squirrelzipper fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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Otteration posted:I am extremely not smug; I am extremely loving pissed off at the current loving situation. The bit at the bar was pointed at one post by one poster, who seemed to feel a bit unempowered in their post. I was hoping to nudge them in a different direction, is all. Was that me you are referring to? I don't take it as a slight, but personally I do feel unempowered. Trying to work within a system designed to work against the people is frustrating and demoralising. I am not advocating for violence, but the whole thing needs to be torn up by the roots and that requires a staggering amount of frustration, organization and mobilization. I would be stoked to jump in and be a part of it, but as a society we don't seem to be there yet. What is happening is hosed up and makes me feel ashamed. I am wondering how far things need to go to boil over, or if that already should have happened and we've been beaten down so much that we are just accepting it.
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squirrelzipper posted:I mean all of them other than housing? Like Cali has 33 homeless residents per 10000 and N.C. has 9 per 10000. Ok. But Cali is the worlds 5th largest economy with 3 major urban centers, and N.C. is, uh, a place? Is there a city there that anyone would know? Raleigh and the tech triangle have been growing pretty rapidly. God famously hates Wilmington, apparently. Durham has 11'8". Asheville has ... uh ... hipsters? I'm out of NCFax, I think 
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Jul 3, 2019 07:12
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The GOP with their finger on the pulse of America... https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1146096648445145089
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squirrelzipper posted:I mean all of them other than housing? Like Cali has 33 homeless residents per 10000 and N.C. has 9 per 10000. Ok. But Cali is the worlds 5th largest economy with 3 major urban centers, and N.C. is, uh, a place? Is there a city there that anyone would know? Wait is this an unironic "We have more money therefore we can't be as punitively right wing as the rest of the country" post? More importantly homeless people don't spring out of the ground, and they're not all walking across the continent to go live in California and ask you for pocket change at stop lights. Those people -had- homes and now they don't.
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Marxalot posted:Wait is this an unironic "We have more money therefore we can't be as punitively right wing as the rest of the country" post? More importantly homeless people don't spring out of the ground, and they're not all walking across the continent to go live in California and ask you for pocket change at stop lights. Those people -had- homes and now they don't. No it’s not. It’s a “gee I wonder why a state with a temperate climate and major metropolitan areas has more homelessness than North Carolina?” post - the exceptionalities of Raleigh aside. To be honest I don’t think you read the thread. It’s not excusing the bay or gentrification. E, Toronto - 19 per 10000 Vancouver - 27 per 10000 Sydney - 47 per 10000 Paris - 32 per 10000 It’s almost like major metropolitan centers have to deal with an issue that fucksberg Carolina doesn’t! squirrelzipper fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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Dick Trauma posted:The GOP with their finger on the pulse of America... https://twitter.com/tonyposnanski/status/1146091115713613824
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squirrelzipper posted:I mean all of them other than housing? Like Cali has 33 homeless residents per 10000 and N.C. has 9 per 10000. Ok. But Cali is the worlds 5th largest economy with 3 major urban centers, and N.C. is, uh, a place? Is there a city there that anyone would know? California has the highest poverty rate in the country, do you think those people, or any of the people struggling right on the other side of that line, are receiving some benefit from California being a large state with lots of rich people? Do they get to bask in the 2nd hand glory of billionaires? Can they shelter under their states total GDP?
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I'm liking Bernie's new policy proposals
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SickZip posted:California has the highest poverty rate in the country, do you think those people, or any of the people struggling right on the other side of that line, are receiving some benefit from California being a large state with lots of rich people? Do they get to bask in the 2nd hand glory of billionaires? Can they shelter under their states total GDP? E: deleted my factually wrong response. I don’t think that’s excusable nor am I holding California up as a bastion or anything. My point is simply that cherry picking one stat - like homelessness- doesn’t tell a full story. By allowing the right to frame problems like poverty and homelessness as a ‘urban’ problem, rather than a systemic economic one we hurt ourselves. California’s issues are beyond my knowledge so I shouldn’t speak to them, but i suspect it’s not really the socialist progressive agenda that’s responsible. Which was my point. Someone from N.C. harping on SFOs homelessness issues aren’t being genuine. squirrelzipper fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/open_the_books/status/1118545509063561221 California's future is so bright it has to wear shades and protective gloves
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squirrelzipper posted:No it’s not. It’s a “gee I wonder why a state with a temperate climate and major metropolitan areas has more homelessness than North Carolina?” post - the exceptionalities of Raleigh aside. To be honest I don’t think you read the thread. It’s not excusing the bay or gentrification. Charlotte has only slightly fewer residents than SF, and has about 15 homeless individuals per 10000 in comparison. e: slow phone typing
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Polyseme posted:Charlotte has only slightly fewer residents than SF, and has about 15 homeless individuals per 10000 in comparison. Uh all of Charlotte and surrounding area has 2.54 million people. San Francisco without San Jose or Oakland has 4.6 million people. Count SJ and Oakland you get 8.4 million. So, no? E: or, we have different definitions of ‘slightly fewer’
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Failed Imagineer posted:I'm liking Bernie's new policy proposals New wallpaper. Good poo poo.
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squirrelzipper posted:Uh all of Charlotte and surrounding area has 2.54 million people. San Francisco without San Jose or Oakland has 4.6 million people. Count SJ and Oakland you get 8.4 million. So, no? You're looking at the Metropolitan Statistical Area, the population within the actual city limits of San Francisco and Charlotte are fairly similar at over ~800K
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Acebuckeye13 posted:You're looking at the Metropolitan Statistical Area, the population within the actual city limits of San Francisco and Charlotte are fairly similar at over ~800K Ok? Does that materially change the discussion? There’s 8.5 million people in the Bay Area. Theres 10 million in all of N.C. It’s a stupid argument on all sides. Remember this discussion started with a poster asking “ hey my mum says useless dems can’t even control homelessness in California”. So. Yeah. squirrelzipper fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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squirrelzipper posted:Ok? Does that materially change the discussion? There’s 8.5 million people in the Bay Area. Theres 10 million in all of N.C. You're being pretty weird about my state
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I think it’s high time for America to pull a Caracalla and make everyone who lives there a citizen. Do it you cowards.
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SickZip posted:California has the highest poverty rate in the country, do you think those people, or any of the people struggling right on the other side of that line, are receiving some benefit from California being a large state with lots of rich people? Do they get to bask in the 2nd hand glory of billionaires? Can they shelter under their states total GDP? I didn't believe this statement so I went to verify it. The latest census information I could find was from 2017 which shows California at a 13.3% poverty rate, lower than 20 other states. https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2018/comm/acs-poverty-map.html https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2018/09/poverty-rate-drops-20-states-and-district.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rate California has a significant homeless issue which will continue to get worse without intervention, but your bullshit claims are far from accurate.
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theflyingorc posted:You're being pretty weird about my state Tbf your states pretty weird. I have no idea where you’re from, all you Americans get the pretty weird rating now.
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squirrelzipper posted:Ok? Does that materially change the discussion? There’s 8.5 million people in the Bay Area. Theres 10 million in all of N.C. Comparing Charlotte and San Francisco is apples and oranges for a number of reasons (The city of Charlotte encompasses the entire county, whereas San Francisco is much smaller and denser, in addition to the large population outside the city limits), but you're pretty drat dismissive of the city when they're clearly doing better in one very important category. Yeah, it's a smaller city, but the data clearly shows that when it comes to the homeless population per capita (which controls for size), Charlotte has a much smaller homeless population. So what are they doing right? What lessons could San Francisco take from their example? Are those lessons applicable to San Francisco and the Bay Area? those are the questions you should be asking, not just dismissing the data and the city of Charlotte outright just because it 'only' has 2 million people in the metro area.
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Which state is the best state? Trick question they are all poo poo for not being in open revolt over the rise of American fascism and destruction of democracy.
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borracho posted:I didn't believe this statement so I went to verify it. The latest census information I could find was from 2017 which shows California at a 13.3% poverty rate, lower than 20 other states. I think his point is this https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-california-poverty-rate-20180913-htmlstory.html And I think it’s valid. Adjusted for cost California has a lot of poor people who are struggling - 19% - more than any other state.
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squirrelzipper posted:No it’s not. It’s a “gee I wonder why a state with a temperate climate and major metropolitan areas has more homelessness than North Carolina?” post - the exceptionalities of Raleigh aside. To be honest I don’t think you read the thread. It’s not excusing the bay or gentrification. Carolina has cities too. That's why we use things like per capita population statistics to compare the various states between eachother. Also your "people choose to be homeless here because the weather is nice" idea gets kind of blasted apart by NY's even worse homelessness problem. squirrelzipper posted:E: deleted my factually wrong response. I don’t think that’s excusable nor am I holding California up as a bastion or anything. My point is simply that cherry picking one stat - like homelessness- doesn’t tell a full story. By allowing the right to frame problems like poverty and homelessness as a ‘urban’ problem, rather than a systemic economic one we hurt ourselves. California’s issues are beyond my knowledge so I shouldn’t speak to them, but i suspect it’s not really the socialist progressive agenda that’s responsible. The whole issue is that these states are not even remotely progressive. GOP propaganda is dumb as all hell but even conservatives who think Obama spent 8 years personally smuggling suicide vests over the Mexican border can at least correctly identify that bougie neolibs are hypocritical pieces of poo poo who are every bit as awful for the people they govern as the GOP is. borracho posted:I didn't believe this statement so I went to verify it. The latest census information I could find was from 2017 which shows California at a 13.3% poverty rate, lower than 20 other states. I think that poster (or someone else) was adjusting for cost of living. Which fits considering the US federal poverty rate is $120/yr but renting a closet a decent distance from the city in CA costs north of $1500/mo, but they could still be full of poo poo for all I know.
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The Super-Id posted:Which state is the best state? well Michigan has some pretty good lakes. great ones, even. Detroit is also a cool town for cool people, so that's my vote for least poo poo
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Comparing Charlotte and San Francisco is apples and oranges for a number of reasons (The city of Charlotte encompasses the entire county, whereas San Francisco is much smaller and denser, in addition to the large population outside the city limits), but you're pretty drat dismissive of the city when they're clearly doing better in one very important category. Yeah, it's a smaller city, but the data clearly shows that when it comes to the homeless population per capita (which controls for size), Charlotte has a much smaller homeless population. So what are they doing right? What lessons could San Francisco take from their example? Are those lessons applicable to San Francisco and the Bay Area? I mean you answered the question right here. It’s apples and oranges. Do you not recall this conversation started because someone asked “my mum says democrats can’t even solve homelessness in California, what do? Ps. She’s in North Carolina.” And a few of us went “Uh, it’s not that simple...”
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borracho posted:I didn't believe this statement so I went to verify it. The latest census information I could find was from 2017 which shows California at a 13.3% poverty rate, lower than 20 other states. Read the census's supplemental report on poverty where they adjust for cost of living instead of having the same income as the poverty rate for all states. Adjusting for CoL, California "wins" handily
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I see your big boy president got his parade! Is he going to go for the Soviet or Chinese style chic do you think? Or maybe his new bestie in NK gave him some ideas for it. It's going to be so special 
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Marxalot posted:Pretending that the US south isn't disproportionally black and that the people living in those shitholes deserve it is pretty much Peak Californian. Hey now, watch it. "California lib," perhaps.
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Marxalot posted:Carolina has cities too. That's why we use things like per capita population statistics to compare the various states between eachother. A. I never said that. B. So many people from Carolina get offended when someone suggests that SFO and LA might be influential in a way that the mighty Raleigh isn’t. Yes, yes. The Carolinas have cities too. Just the same. Bigly.
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