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Kaine was brought back to life via mystic spider shenanigans, which also cured his degeneration. He's still a clone but he has the mystical Other powers (last time I checked) and basically usurped Peter's place in the schemes of the mystic web, meaning Peter doesn't have to worry about that poo poo. No idea about Ben, but I think he's immortal now.
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Lurdiak posted:Kaine was brought back to life via mystic spider shenanigans, which also cured his degeneration. He's still a clone but he has the mystical Other powers (last time I checked) and basically usurped Peter's place in the schemes of the mystic web, meaning Peter doesn't have to worry about that poo poo. Ash to ash, dust to dust, but sometimes dust back into Spider-Man
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Didn't the clone saga start in the 70s with some half forgotten Jackal story? I am only being half factitious here.
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Jul 2, 2019 03:05
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Skwirl posted:In all seriousness, there's an argument that the clone saga goes on until this very day. Ben Reilly is still running around in Vegas as far as I know. Didn't Kaine die fairly recently?
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Lurdiak posted:Kaine was brought back to life via mystic spider shenanigans, which also cured his degeneration. He's still a clone but he has the mystical Other powers (last time I checked) and basically usurped Peter's place in the schemes of the mystic web, meaning Peter doesn't have to worry about that poo poo. Kaine's not the Other anymore*, and he's not actively degenerating, but he looks like some sort of Peter Parker/Deadpool hybrid because his body is still all hosed up. Ben's mortal, he just can't seem to stay dead. In the Spider-Geddon story he and Doc Ock actually formed a battle plan based around him being revived so many times that them eating his soul would make the literal soul-sucking vampires sick. And then immediately cloned him again. So he's out there. *I just rechecked, the Other is now Peter Parker from MC2.
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Jul 2, 2019 03:40
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Did Kaine get degeneration again? He was cured of it as of his own series.
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Jul 2, 2019 04:56
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Madkal posted:Didn't the clone saga start in the 70s with some half forgotten Jackal story? I am only being half factitious here. Kind of. There was a storyline leading up Spider-Man 150 in which an older guy with a creepy crush on Gwen Stacy was going to take revenge on Peter and unfortunately he happened to know how to clone things. So he made a Gwen clone which shook things up and then a Peter clone which had the obligatory fight with the original. During the fight there was an explosion and afterward only one Spider-Man was standing. That Spider-Man disposed of the body by throwing it down a smokestack and after soul searching realized he had to be the original. Then the 90's happened. During the clone saga, FWIW, the smokestack was demolished and a skeleton wearing a tattered Spider-Man uniform was found in the rubble. This was Norman Osborn being a dick for no good reason using yet another clone (a skele-clone?) to confusing
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Jul 2, 2019 06:51
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That was one of the big problems of the Clone Saga - stuff like the smokestack skeleton, where writers would throw in new twists just for the hell of it with no idea themselves as to what any of it would mean.
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How exactly did Squirrel Girl beat up Thanos anyway? No one ever explains that part when they bring it up.
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Jul 2, 2019 13:05
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CityMidnightJunky posted:How exactly did Squirrel Girl beat up Thanos anyway? No one ever explains that part when they bring it up.
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Jul 2, 2019 13:24
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Rhyno posted:Did Kaine get degeneration again? He was cured of it as of his own series. He died in Spider-Verse, then came back with degeneration because I guess the Other power was holding him together or something, but then was cured again in Slott's Clone Conspiracy thing. But being cured didn't like, reverse the damage that was there. So now he looks like poo poo but he's not like, a zombie.
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Jul 2, 2019 15:21
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Does he have the beard back or no?
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Jul 2, 2019 15:23
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No. Most recent picture I could find, from that Ben Reilly series a while back
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Jul 2, 2019 15:38
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Ah well there we go. Slott comics.
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CityMidnightJunky posted:How exactly did Squirrel Girl beat up Thanos anyway? No one ever explains that part when they bring it up. If that fight happened today, Nancy would talk Thanos down through their shared love of crafting.
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CityMidnightJunky posted:How exactly did Squirrel Girl beat up Thanos anyway? No one ever explains that part when they bring it up. They don't show it so as to not make all other heroes who've fought Thanos look like chumps
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Random Stranger posted:Kind of. There was a storyline leading up Spider-Man 150 in which an older guy with a creepy crush on Gwen Stacy was going to take revenge on Peter and unfortunately he happened to know how to clone things. So he made a Gwen clone which shook things up and then a Peter clone which had the obligatory fight with the original. During the fight there was an explosion and afterward only one Spider-Man was standing. That Spider-Man disposed of the body by throwing it down a smokestack and after soul searching realized he had to be the original. I note here that Peter decided he must be the original because he was horny for Mary Jane, which the clone wouldn't have been, since his DNA was taken when he was still dating Gwen.
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He also decided he was the real one because he had the inner strength to fight a robot immediately afterwards. Yes what's that, all the clone BS overlaps with the bajillion Spider Slayers BS.
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Clones were so much simpler then.
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Jul 2, 2019 23:52
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Senior Woodchuck posted:I note here that Peter decided he must be the original because he was horny for Mary Jane, which the clone wouldn't have been, since his DNA was taken when he was still dating Gwen. Interestingly Jessica Drew of the Ultimates universe who is also a clone of Peter was horny for both redheads and Jewish girls.
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TwoPair posted:No. Most recent picture I could find, from that Ben Reilly series a while back If they're clones, why is one taller than the other? Is he wearing lifts?
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With all the spider-verse comics that have been made, did anyone sneak in a cameo by the 3 Dev Adam evil eyebrows Spider-man?
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Lurdiak posted:With all the spider-verse comics that have been made, did anyone sneak in a cameo by the 3 Dev Adam evil eyebrows Spider-man? He's in like in one panel of one of the issues of Spider-Verse. EDIT: Here it is. 
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Jul 8, 2019 14:24
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Aw, you can't see the eyebrows. Still, good enough I suppose.
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Is John Byrne considered good outside SA? I just got read the riot act on FB for saying that he's an angry old man who gets upset about stories he doesn't like.
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Beerdeer posted:Is John Byrne considered good outside SA? I just got read the riot act on FB for saying that he's an angry old man who gets upset about stories he doesn't like. Some people consider his works to be up there with Kirby. So tell that person to get hosed.
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Anyone still on board the John Byrne train has gotta be in their 40s or older by now. Or getting their opinions from someone who is.
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Lurdiak posted:Anyone still on board the John Byrne train has gotta be in their 40s or older by now. Or getting their opinions from someone who is. Bro, I'm 40. Byrne's been irrelevant since I was in my late 20's. Anyone still on his cock has to be in their 60's at this point.
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Rhyno posted:Bro, I'm 40. Byrne's been irrelevant since I was in my late 20's. Anyone still on his cock has to be in their 60's at this point. Has he done anything really of note since - and this is arguable - Wonder Woman?
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Dawgstar posted:Has he done anything really of note since - and this is arguable - Wonder Woman? Well that was only of note because he made an even bigger mess out of Donna Troy. He's either raging on his message boards or making GBS threads out redrawn covers from his past career.
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Beerdeer posted:Is John Byrne considered good outside SA? I just got read the riot act on FB for saying that he's an angry old man who gets upset about stories he doesn't like. His early work (let's go pre-Namor/AWC) is drat good, but your assessment of his character is spot-on.
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Beerdeer posted:Is John Byrne considered good outside SA? I just got read the riot act on FB for saying that he's an angry old man who gets upset about stories he doesn't like. I think people tend to talk about his work on XMen, FF and Superman and then stop.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I think people tend to talk about his work on XMen, FF and Superman and then stop. Pretty much. I only threw in his Wonder Woman run because it was at the time high profile, but now it's dollar bin material. Nobody's going to come at you saying how good X-Men: The Hidden Years was, and if they did you are not obligated to listen to them with a straight face.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I think people tend to talk about his work on XMen, FF and Superman and then stop. You're forgetting his seminal work on Wheelie and the Chopper Bunch.
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After Wonder Woman, his projects have been: 1999-2001: Marvel re-return Spider-Man: Chapter One A run on both Spider-Man with Howard Mackie A very short run on Hulk with Ron Garney A Spider-Woman series (but not any of the Spider-Women you are thinking of!) Marvel: The Lost Generation X-Men: The Hidden Years [Byrne rage-quits the Quesada/Jemas Marvel] 2001-2006: DC Re-Return Lab Rats Superman/Batman: Generations I-III Superman: True Brit The Doom Patrol revamp/reboot no one liked That JLA arc scripted by Claremont with them fighting CRUCIFER Blood of the Demon Like ten issues of Action Comics with Gail Simone [Byrne rage-quits DC too] 2007-Present: Some stuff for IDW I guess -A hasty ending to Next Men -Some Angel (of Buffy fame) mini-series where Angel fights in World War I and against Frankenstein's Monster -Trio, a mini-series that definitely isn't about a bootleg Fantastic Four -Triple Helix, a mini-series that definitely isn't about a bootleg X-Men -Cold War, a mini-series that definitely isn't a bootleg James Bond/Nick Fury -Trio and Triple Helix, two creator-owned superhero minis -F/X, somehow not a movie adaptation but basically What if Mysterio Was a Good Guy -The High Ways, basically the space trucker stuff he did in She-Hulk spun out into its own mini-series -A Jurassic Park mini-series about an old timey sherrif in the west having to fight raptors a'eatin' his cattle -A ton of weird mostly fumetti Star Trek stuff I personally haven't read the vast majority of it but I've literally never heard anyone say something nice about any of these projects aside from the first Generations mini-series and I know people that exist that thought The Hidden Years was good. I kind of want to look at some of it out of morbid curiosity now. Right around the time of West Coast Avengers/Namor Byrne got obsessed with 'restoring' everything to its proper glory in a way that made no sense at all. The best example of this was how his WCA run started off with him wanting to bring the Vision "back to basics" in a way that meant putting him back to the way Roy Thomas and John Buscema imagined him in Avengers #57, and making sure to negate all of the bullshit that has been done to the character ever since, including assholes like Roy Thomas and John Buscema, who started screwing up the character in the back half of Avengers #57. It was the rough equivalent of wanting to take Spider-Man back to his roots as a character everyone knows and loves, namely an egotistical prick wrestler with a living uncle.
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Edge & Christian posted:I personally haven't read the vast majority of it but I've literally never heard anyone say something nice about any of these projects aside from the first Generations mini-series and I know people that exist that thought The Hidden Years was good. I kind of want to look at some of it out of morbid curiosity now. I hope you like that time the X-Men were in the Savage Land. No, like, a lot. quote:Right around the time of West Coast Avengers/Namor Byrne got obsessed with 'restoring' everything to its proper glory in a way that made no sense at all. The best example of this was how his WCA run started off with him wanting to bring the Vision "back to basics" in a way that meant putting him back to the way Roy Thomas and John Buscema imagined him in Avengers #57, and making sure to negate all of the bullshit that has been done to the character ever since, including assholes like Roy Thomas and John Buscema, who started screwing up the character in the back half of Avengers #57. It was the rough equivalent of wanting to take Spider-Man back to his roots as a character everyone knows and loves, namely an egotistical prick wrestler with a living uncle. Bryrne also brought back the original Human Torch, which precisely nobody was clamoring for at the time. Or ever, really.
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Dawgstar posted:Bryrne also brought back the original Human Torch, which precisely nobody was clamoring for at the time. Or ever, really.
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Picked up Lois Lane #1. Haven't read any DC in forever. Are we supposed to know what this refers to?
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Lab Rats is bad but the ending of killing them all is hilarious
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