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infernal machines posted:Remember that time you wanted to glass a village because someone in it might have been harbouring terrorists? I do remember that. It was a village where the mayor said he was waiting for daesh to come and he and his citizens would welcome them, and specifically I did not say it should be glassed, I said we should send the Canadian daesh supporters there, and then bomb it. That was an overreaction which discounted the possibility of collateral damage, but honestly I don't consider killing Daesh supporters to be wrong, any more than I think punching Nazis is wrong.
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PT6A posted:Then where's the legislation? Write it up. lol eat poo poo
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PT6A posted:It's not so bad really, I'll take walking with a limp and taking a bit longer learning to write than dealing with whatever's going on in Rime's brain that makes him advocate eugenics and murder from time to time. PT6A posted:I do remember that. It was a village where the mayor said he was waiting for daesh to come and he and his citizens would welcome them, and specifically I did not say it should be glassed, I said we should send the Canadian daesh supporters there, and then bomb it. 
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There's a surprising number of glass houses in CanPol ... something something greenhouse effect
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infernal machines posted:There's a surprising number of glass houses in CanPol Theyre worth more than wooden condos.
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Yo dudes it’s 2019 and nothing matters so maybe chillax with the personal attacks and focus instead on mockery, satire, or other forms of irreverent humour so this thread is less of a depressive dumpster fire.
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cowofwar posted:Yo dudes it’s 2019 and nothing matters so maybe chillax with the personal attacks and focus instead on mockery, satire, or other forms of irreverent humour so this thread is less of a depressive dumpster fire. no fuk u (entirely kidding, y'all need some loving hobbies outside of being terminally online)
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Caedus posted:y'all post bad I was doing that anyway but I don't take fuckin orders from you buddy so here comes a good post Any minute now Fart.
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Anyways, another Ford appointee resigned yesterday for yet again being implicated for getting the job because he's their pal. Peter Fenwick just got booted for being associated with Dean French and Ford.
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Jul 5, 2019 14:43
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There's lot of groups out there opposing all kinds of things. Albertans just think it's their oil that's being oppressed because no one reads or knows a goddamn thing that happens outside their province.
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So apparently Lisa Macloed was a shithead to Eugene Melnyk, and I don't know who I hate more in general* in this scenario. *Seriously tho, it's MacLoed. She's doing a lot more to hurt people then stealing their organs and making their hockey team lovely.
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Can we just lock both of them in a pressurized deep sea submersible and throw it into the Marianas trench?
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Arcsquad12 posted:Can we just lock both of them in a pressurized deep sea submersible and throw it into the Marianas trench? Look at mister fancy man here, too cool to use the Swedish coastline like a normal psychopath
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In 2015, Justin Trudeau posted:Canadians are justifiably skeptical about whether it will ever change. Let’s face it: Harper’s Conservatives have brought things to a new low, but Canadians know that this is not a problem with just one political party. We have seen too many members of all political parties – including my own – behave deplorably over the years, and now wonder if their vote can possibly make a difference. [Narrator]: It didn't. Natpo posted:Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is defending the federal system for appointing judges after revelations several in New Brunswick have personal connections to Liberal cabinet minister Dominic LeBlanc.
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Has anybody noticed that our new nationalist party is using a variant of the 14 words as their campaign slogan? quote:We must subsidize and protect the growth of Canadian industries at home and abroad.
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PT6A, if you actually want to talk coal, your argument, or at least the people you seem to be asking us to empathize with is wrong for the following reasons: -Coal does not pose the same risk of environmental damage than what they put through the pipeline. I've never heard of a "coal spill", probably because it's a hell of a lot easier to clean up. -So many anti-environmental people haul out the tired old "Well if you use plastics you need oil, checkmate libtard" argument. Emitting less carbon is better than emitting more carbon. The tar sands emit orders of magnitude more carbon than the BC coal industry and therefore would if the pipeline is stopped, it would keep us from emitting drastically more carbon than if we built it. Less is better and more is worse, so attempts to point out the hypocrisy of environmentalism is concern trolling used to justify more C02 emissions. -The infrastructure needed to be built for pipeline expansion is so costly for such a short sighted business plan and lovely product that it is justifiably seen as a seriously stupid investment. Seriously, I'm so tired of the empathize with poor Albertans poo poo I'm reading everywhere. Why does my province have to foot the bill for Albertans' childish mismanagement of their own resource boom and why are we expected to foot the bill to not just continue the tar sands but to double down on investment? How about Albertans try to empathize with others for once. For the indigenous people whose land hasn't been cleaned up from oil spills decades old. For our future generations whose lives will be made terrible through climate catastrophe. Even for the millions of Canadians who could stand to see their lives improved through a more intelligent use of taxpayer dollars than a massive corporate handout. At this point, I would actually support the Federal Government taking all our fossil fuel subsidies and cutting a cheque to every Albertan if they agreed to shut the gently caress up about the tar sands. It would no joke be a better use of taxpayer dollars.
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Then their transformation into Newfoundlanders will be complete (this is a fisheries joke)
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I could have stayed to take the dole but I'm not one of those. I take nothing free so that makes me an idiot, I suppose
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Blood Boils posted:Then their transformation into Newfoundlanders will be complete (this is a fisheries joke) In my napkin math, the initial annual payout would have been about $1 700 for a year with the one time bonus of not having bought the old leaky pipeline and used it as Alberta Bucks. Afterwards, if you divvy up the 3.3 billion we pay as fossil fuel subsidies annually, it's about $767. This would have the benefit of stimulating the local ski-doo, snowmobile, truck-lifting and truck nut economies. Or we could invest it in a secret fund that will build lifted electric F350s that have a speakers making loud vrum-vrum noises and eject thick clouds of black food-coloured water vapour from the tail pipe. But seriously, what kind of monetary support is given to out of work fisheries workers?
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ARACHTION posted:But seriously, what kind of monetary support is given to out of work fisheries workers? Depends. If we're talking Newfoundland's northern cod stocks collapse a lot of money was poured into the province to retrain workers as computer programmers and hair dressers, and/or ship them east to Alberta. If we're talking the west coast abalone collapse a few years later the license holders got a "We'll be in touch" note when the fisheries closed. There were only 30ish license holders affected. Not much political clout there. East Coast fisheries have long had a reputation as "welfare fisheries" although I suspect if you looked at the structure of the west coast salmon fishery that might be unfair. This is historical. What's happening today I have no clue. edit: ARACHTION posted:-Coal does not pose the same risk of environmental damage than what they put through the pipeline. I've never heard of a "coal spill", probably because it's a hell of a lot easier to clean up. Interesting point. If you happen to actually spend time grubbing around in the mud in Burrard Inlet (=Vancouver Harbour) there's a thick layer of coal particles under it everywhere except places like the current-swept rock shelf in front of Stanley Park. Despite that, Vancouver Harbour is stunningly clean(now) compared to other world harbours given the amount of industrial activity going on. The tumour fish are unappetizing though. Hexigrammus fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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xtal posted:Has anybody noticed that our new nationalist party is using a variant of the 14 words as their campaign slogan? It doesn't really look like it to me. It looks like their national policy has 14 words and starts with "we must" but their other policies have differing numbers of words and stat with "we must"  Edit: I should further mention that the party is led by a verifiable racist shitface though https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rcmp-hate-elections-canada-canadian-nationalist-party-1.5193358 Fart Amplifier fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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Canada produces 0.8% of the world’s coal and it is half thermal and half metallurgical. Our imports are down over time and exports are flat. 93% of what we export is metallurgical coal to Asia through Vancouver. https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy-facts/coal-facts/20071
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Completely killing off the tar sands seems like the lowest hanging fruit in terms of what our single country could do.
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I'm willing to do ANYTHING to stop the ecological collapse of the planet as long as it doesnt effect the exponential growth of shareholder profits
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Danaru posted:I'm willing to do ANYTHING to stop the ecological collapse of the planet as long as it doesnt effect the exponential growth of shareholder profits Hey! Unless you're a homeless naked caveman who eats nothing but acorns you're a hypocrite and must instead openly advocate for the publicly subsidized expansion of the tar sands.
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If Vancouver can pass the mantle of speculative housing boom to Quebec, I'm quite sure it could also go to Alberta and then their economy can go from harvesting oil from the tar sands to harvesting home equity from foreign
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ARACHTION posted:Hey! Unless you're a homeless naked caveman who eats nothing but acorns you're a hypocrite and must instead openly advocate for the publicly subsidized expansion of the tar sands. Also if you ARE a homeless naked caveman who eats nothing but acorns you clearly don't know what life is like for the Average Canadian so your opinion on environmental matters is irrelevant. I love the double "too pure/not pure enough" trap that always seems to lead to the answer that we should just let the oil companies do what they want.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:just let the oil companies do what they want. now THIS is the kind of campaign slogan we need
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Fart Amplifier posted:It doesn't really look like it to me. It looks like their national policy has 14 words and starts with "we must" but their other policies have differing numbers of words and stat with "we must" I find it very charitable to think that it was an accident. And the writing seems contrived, I don't think people actually talk like that.
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Id like to announce my new Federal party The Why Pretend Party. Our policy platform is whatever rich people want us to do. gently caress you worthless pieces of poo poo just continue to consume and don't mind us.
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apatheticman posted:Id like to announce my new Federal party Sorry but the Liberal party already exists
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Fart Amplifier posted:
I mean, in case "maintaining the European-descended demographic status quo", and the desire for "an authority above the democratic system" weren't dead giveaways... xtal posted:I find it very charitable to think that it was an accident. And the writing seems contrived, I don't think people actually talk like that. Yeah, I'm with this too. The cadence and sentence structure of that first one is way too similar for it not to be at least an unconscious imitation. Also their "demographic policy" is a near-exact paraphrasing of the actual 14 words. They barely even bother to disguise it.
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https://twitter.com/stephenfgordon/status/1147329075029127169?s=20
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Stephen Gordon is a dumb sack of poo poo who spent years screaming about how it was great that Alberta spent all of its Heritage Savings Trust Fund during the prosperous years because reasons.
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Terry Beech (liberal MP Burnaby North) showed up at a pipeline protest tonight, which was unexpected. I chatted for a bit and was largely disappointed, seems he was mostly there for publicity. Which was...odd. Brought up that transitioning to 100% renewables is a wash because we're going to have a supply shortage of turbine components when like 80 GW of supply worldwide is decommissioned at once in the 2050's, his response was that clearly we should produce everything domestically because it would create so many jobs! Ignoring that you can't just float an entire extremely complex supply chain like that for three decades until it is needed, for several reasons, not the least of which is the proprietary nature of most turbine components... Discussed some of the carbon feedback research from this year which he seemed vaguely aware of, but then wandered off quickly when I asked if the Liberals had a plan for how we'd re-sequester permafrost nitrogen using the pipeline payments, or if that money was just earmarked for greenwashing. He seemed to grasp the science of the matter but is vociferously interested mostly in the vague woo of "jobs and economy" and how it helps the Liberals maintain power in October, which he said was a crass way of putting it when I said so at the start of our chat - but hey, he's the one out shilling for photo-ops in front of the pipeline his party rammed through. 
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Canada has had a bunch of innovative renewable companies that had to go abroad for demonstration plants and such because there is zero government or venture capital funding in Canada that isn't 100% risk adverse. There is absolutely no reason why Canada isn't a world leader in renewable energy, we have the domestic resources, we have the human capital, we have the research base, but there's just an absolute failure in going from idea to pilot. We have an absolutely stupid number of capable people but for some reason they're all making safe fart apps for $40k a year. Think of the number of pilot projects that could be funded with that six billion pipeline purchase. It boggles the loving mind. Also in general, tricouncil funding has the same problem - we give bigwig boomer labs millions of dollars while turning down small grants to new researchers; fund broadly and fund lightly - in R&D you need a critical mass, giving some famously smart person a blank cheque accomplishes nothing. cowofwar fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Jul 6, 2019 |
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It's because innovation is hard and why bother if you can make tons of money with less risk by harvesting natural resources.
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Short term profits from a dying industry vs. investing in a new sector with lots of long-term potential
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incontinence 100 posted:Stephen Gordon is a dumb sack of poo poo who spent years screaming about how it was great that Alberta spent all of its Heritage Savings Trust Fund during the prosperous years because reasons. Well you see, by returning the proceeds of the oil industry to the people in the form of lower taxes, they can make their own choice as to whether to save or spend it, which is better for society, in ways that are obvious.
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