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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Incrementalism is code for "you're getting nothing." Changes for the rich tend to be immediate, grand actions. yeah we should be building hundreds of millions of new units
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Judakel posted:You only seem to point it out with the Berndawg, though. That's okay because I know you're a big supporter of his. Wouldn't a 10% decrease over a decade not even come close to keeping up with inflation?
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Jul 5, 2019 19:23
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Oh no she wants people to save a giant percentage of income from their largest living expense. What a monster! Edit: i am not sure goons understand how inflation works. ^^ yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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Jul 5, 2019 19:23
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Majorian posted:If it were something like M4A (which Harris also backtracked on immediately after the debate, of course), I'd find that a lot more understandable. She's trying to attract voters who don't necessarily want M4A, as well as voters who do, after all, and that's a typical centrist thing to do. But who, exactly, is she trying to attract in signaling that she's not really committed to a federal busing mandate? I realize not all of the country wants that to happen, but how many of them are Democratic primary voters? Are there enough of them to cover for the voters she may lose because she pulled a 180 on this? The logic doesn't add up, as far as I can see, which is what makes it so weird. Old racist whites, and moderate Dem consultants and think-tankers. Whoops, I think I repeated myself there. The idea behind pulling a 180 on this is that she's betting the vast majority of voters will never hear about her pulling a 180. Her pro-busing stance was expressed at a major televised national event which was getting news coverage for days afterward, while her anti-busing stance was a short remark to a reporter at an Iowa picnic. Presumably she's hoping that:
A is basically the question that will decide the primary, so I don't blame her for betting big on that one. B is still up in the air, though - the media seems to be happy to bring up that she flipped on the issue, but they're not really pushing hard on it, they're just doing it to provoke responses from both campaigns in order to keep the Biden-Harris showdown in the news. So they're not picking holes in her response to the claims, which is absolute loving nonsense. https://twitter.com/chelsea_janes/status/1146873569915428864 And while Biden has jumped on the opportunity to point out that her position basically matched his, he sandwiched his callout between about half a dozen gaffes, so he's completely failed to get it into the headlines. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1147093735580348416 Meanwhile, the other big-name candidates are largely staying quiet or taking a neutral stance. For instance, Warren and the Buttigieg campaign have both declared that they're not getting involved, and that all this is just negative campaign tactics that shouldn't have any place in a primary campaign. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1147020029516492800 https://twitter.com/Lis_Smith/status/1146792353467949056
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Jul 5, 2019 19:23
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yronic heroism posted:Oh no she wants people to save a giant percentage of income from their largest living expense. What a monster! proud flat tax supporter here
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Jul 5, 2019 19:33
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https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1147211063760424960 lol  Modern Dems are ill-equipped to deal with rising fascism and we are all hosed because of it.
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Jul 5, 2019 19:35
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There’s pretty much no reason not to have federally mandated busing now if you believe it was needed in the past. We still have hella de facto segregation, so if it’s a real policy debate what is every candidate’s position?
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Jul 5, 2019 19:37
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A 10% reduction in something that usually outpaces inflation in its growth would be loving huge but ok whatever guys.
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Jul 5, 2019 19:48
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yronic heroism posted:There’s pretty much no reason not to have federally mandated busing now if you believe it was needed in the past. We still have hella de facto segregation, so if it’s a real policy debate what is every candidate’s position? Biden's position, apparently, is that busing is long in the past and us young'uns don't even know what it was about. https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1147195725865992194 
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Jul 5, 2019 19:48
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LeeMajors posted:https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1147211063760424960 Just the pure strategic incompetence of these people is breathtaking.
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Jul 5, 2019 19:50
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Maybe instead asking if they are for/against the poo poo we already fought for 50 years ago, we can try to normalize modern progressive thought Or ask about their thoughts concentration camps and poll taxes like it's actually a debatable point I guess
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Jul 5, 2019 19:50
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Biden has apparently been attacking AOC. What a sad lump. https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/05/politics/aoc-liberals-joe-biden-cnn-interview/index.html
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Jul 5, 2019 19:52
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LeeMajors posted:https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1147211063760424960 Modern Dems actually have a pretty agile political machine, its just that they are collaborators and Quislings and only use that machine against people that want actual reform
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Jul 5, 2019 20:01
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Main Paineframe posted:Biden's position, apparently, is that busing is long in the past and us young'uns don't even know what it was about. Waiting for Bernie’s busing plan. So far it’s just Biden and Harris on record. Do your jobs, MSM, and tell us what Bernie and Marianne have to say!
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Jul 5, 2019 20:01
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Mellow Seas posted:A 10% reduction in something that usually outpaces inflation in its growth would be loving huge but ok whatever guys. Issue is she's not specifying that the ten percent is in current dollars. Which actually does matter because yeah a ten percent reduction in the rate of growth is not much in absolute terms. Larger issue is it just sounds inadequate.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:05
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Issue is she's not specifying that the ten percent is in current dollars. Which actually does matter because yeah a ten percent reduction in the rate of growth is not much in absolute terms. Where does she suggest it’s just ten percent reduction in the rate of growth? Ten percent frees up a ton of income. Based on what people are spending on rent currently that’s close to a 5 percent boost to disposable income from housing policy alone.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:14
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Mellow Seas posted:A 10% reduction in something that usually outpaces inflation in its growth would be loving huge but ok whatever guys. Yea, gonna be p huge in ten loving years when the voters have also had two chances to elect some GOP fanatic who would tear all that up the moment they got into office. Real good plan, that.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:16
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You can't campaign on something that doesn't even reach a remotely notable level until a loving decade later.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:16
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yronic heroism posted:Waiting for Bernie’s busing plan. So far it’s just Biden and Harris on record. Do your jobs, MSM, and tell us what Bernie and Marianne have to say! I'm glad you asked, yronic! quote:Bernie Sanders, meanwhile, has introduced what Century Foundation senior fellow Richard Kahlenberg tells me is “the most robust school integration plan of any of the candidates” — an agenda that, if enacted, would be by far the most significant pro-integration step the federal government has taken in a decade. quote:Sanders’s “Thurgood Marshall Plan for Education” incorporates these ideas, but would also go further by repealing the existing ban on using federal transportation funding to promote school integration and create a $1 billion fund to support magnet schools as an additional desegregation lever. Beyond legislation, Sanders is also promising to “execute and enforce desegregation orders and appoint federal judges who will enforce the 1964 Civil Rights Act in school systems,” which appears to be a promise to try to revisit the substance of the Parents Involved and Milliken cases. He has also said that he's open to new busing policies. Majorian fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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Jul 5, 2019 20:18
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"Oh boy $300 less in rent in 10 years, hope I haven't lost my job, lost my insurance, lost my home, and slit my loving wrists in a poo poo-covered alley because every moment has become agony by then."
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Jul 5, 2019 20:18
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I don’t know what the policy is, and it all depends on that, but that’s a worthwhile goal. I agree that in a campaign context it sounds tiny and unimpressive. “Stop the explosion in the cost of housing” would sound a lot better, even if 10% is technically 10% better.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:22
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Majorian posted:I'm glad you asked, yronic! Since it’s all that is being talked about : What bussing plan will or will not be mandated? To me it looks like you edited in a link that says he’s “open” to busing. Does that mean he wants all districts to have “access” to busing? P noncommittal and I think you know that. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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Jul 5, 2019 20:23
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Policy wonks: What can the feds actually do about rents? I've always viewed rent control as more of a local thing. Are we talking housing project construction? Rent reimbursement? Genuinely curious what options they'd even have.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:23
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Oh Snapple! posted:"Oh boy $300 less in rent in 10 years, hope I haven't lost my job, lost my insurance, lost my home, and slit my loving wrists in a poo poo-covered alley because every moment has become agony by then." Hm yes she should just snap her fingers and build all the housing stock overnight because that’s how it works. And of course this is her only policy proposal so let me point out all the other things it’s not addressing.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:28
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After all Trump got americans horned up by promising a 5% increase in fence spending, and making america progressively better, one percentile at a time.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:32
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yronic heroism posted:Hm yes she should just snap her fingers and build all the housing stock overnight because that’s how it works. "Do a snappening to all landlords" is more the going speed around here.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:32
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I too base my political opinions on a film by a megacorp but that film is Air Bud.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:35
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Judakel posted:You only seem to point it out with the Berndawg, though. That's okay because I know you're a big supporter of his. in my city rent goes up by 10% per. loving. YEAR. yronic heroism posted:Oh no she wants people to save a giant percentage of income from their largest living expense. What a monster! not understanding basic poo poo is your only area of primacy, I'll grant you that. Willie Tomg fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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Jul 5, 2019 20:39
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Mellow Seas posted:A 10% reduction in something that usually outpaces inflation in its growth would be loving huge but ok whatever guys. not even if it was all at once instead of 1% per year for ten years
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Jul 5, 2019 20:40
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Any plan from Warren to do with rents that isn't just this image  on her website and nothing else, can eat my poo poo tbh.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:45
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ummel posted:Policy wonks: What can the feds actually do about rents? I've always viewed rent control as more of a local thing. Are we talking housing project construction? Rent reimbursement? Genuinely curious what options they'd even have. Expand and massively fund section 8 via HUD while prosecuting malfeasance. It won't control price but it could staunch the bleeding on a given household's income. Every growth city has seen what "incentives to increase supply" look like: handouts to developers to build high margin luxury units on a timeline of... well, about 10 years, she ain't lying about that.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:46
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How, uh... How stupid is this guy? I keep thinking I know, but I keep being wrong.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:47
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Majorian posted:How, uh...
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Jul 5, 2019 20:50
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Regarding the Warren plan, this is a good time to remember that when someone promises a progressive-sounding plan, it's best to read past the headline and dig down into how they actually plan to accomplish that. For example, the entire primary field is making lofty promises to reduce carbon emissions by huge amounts, but when you dig into the details most of their plans are just "subsidies and tax incentives to oil companies". So Warren is promising to reduce rents by 10%. Sounds great. But how is she planning to do so? As the candidate who's famous for her detailed policy plans, surely She's Got A Plan For That, right? Well, her press release isn't very detailed at all. However, it links to an independent analysis of her plan that she had commissioned. The wonkery is pretty thick, so I'm just gonna go ahead and quote the basic summary: quote:The American Housing Economic and Mobility Act provides an average of $50 billion per annum to alleviate the shortage of affordable housing units. This is done through funds to incent localities to ease regulations and other building restrictions, provide down-payment assistance, and reduce the burden on households with negative equity in their homes. How do these incentives work? Well, it breaks that down just a little later: quote:Most significantly, the funds are to be used to boost the Housing Trust Fund and Capital Magnet Funds. The HTF and CMF were established by the 2008 Housing Economic and Recovery Act, but funding began only a few years ago. quote:This will still leave a shortfall in affordable housing. But market forces should work to slowly and steadily increase supply. This is particularly true if the American Housing and Economic Mobility Act eases regulatory restrictions on affordable homebuilding as anticipated. By the end of the 10-year horizon, affordable housing supply should be approximately equal to demand. Since the legislation significantly increases housing supply, it will have the added benefit of improving housing affordability, particularly for affordable rental homes. Without the legislation, rents are expected to increase by more than 4% per annum. With the legislation, rent growth will be closer to 3% per annum.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:54
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Majorian posted:How, uh... That's also the senior political report at WaPo taking the time to dunk on him. Not exactly Karl Marx.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:55
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Thanks for reading that poo poo so we don’t have to, MPF. Seems like the main effect would be to funnel some tax dollars/write offs to developers who don’t need them, with the possible side effect of a modest decrease in the growth of rents. It’s not, like, terrible, but it wouldn’t have much of an effect on anybody (except the developers getting free money to do roughly what they would’ve done anyway).
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Jul 5, 2019 20:59
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Actually plenty of housing regulation, for example single-family requirements, are terrible NIMBYism (racism).
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Jul 5, 2019 20:59
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LeeMajors posted:Modern Dems are ill-equipped to deal with rising fascism and we are all hosed because of it. Majorian posted:How, uh...
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Jul 5, 2019 21:02
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It's pretty funny that the Warren fanclub are constantly touting her plans as the big reason for supporting her, but every time you actually look into said plans they tend to be useless at best and completely horrible at worst.
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Jul 5, 2019 21:10
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Oh what % decrease in rent has Bernie committed to? Just curious
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