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Henrik Zetterberg posted:I’ve always enjoyed Matt. Perrin was cool til he actively avoided his super wolf powers. So pretty early on. Yeah, very early on. Perrin was a black hole of plot from like book 3 through 11 or 12 or whenever he finally comes to terms with poo poo and stops being a whiny bitch about everything. After that, though, he gets a lot better. Generally speaking, it's amazing how much better the characters get once Sanderson enters the picture. That's not even his strength, but Jordan had created good characters that he was never able to animate well, and Sanderson seemed to benefit from having an established and well-outlined cast of characters to play with. Matt is always awesome, on the other hand. Habibi fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Jul 4, 2019 |
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Matt being the "funny guy" is a prime example of failing to show, not tell. 
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Jul 4, 2019 07:06
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Did you all listen to the audiobooks? I'm just curious, since it's Mat, short for Matrim, not Matt. Agree with the Mat love anyway, he started out strong once we finally got some POV chapters from him (in book 3 I think?), and was awesome ever since book 4. He takes a slight dip when Sanderson takes over, but finishes very strong.
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Jul 4, 2019 07:10
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Yeah I’ve been on the audiobooks since book 4. Trying to type out some is the words is hilarious. Tellirunrhiod Jihito Gaishine Beergitta Hidar Shiron Faille Tuathawaun Dumaise Wells Tardad Aiel Farderise Mai Rheudion I assume all of these are hilariously wrong and I’m terrified of reading the WoT wiki due to spoilers.
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Jul 4, 2019 07:35
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Some of these are a bit stupid, even if written "correctly". Tel'aran'rhiod ji'e'toh (This is somewhat okay. If you do something really cool in the Aiel honor code, you gain ji (honor), while if you violate the honor code, you gain toh (debt/shame/obligation)) gai'shain Birgitte Shaidar Haran? (super-Myrddraal) Faile Tuatha'an Dumai's Wells Taardad Aiel Far Dareis Mai Rhuidean? (city in the Waste)
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Jul 4, 2019 12:31
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I flip flop between reading and the audiobooks. But lately my phone is having problems so I've switched almost entirely to the audiobooks and I forgot if it was 1 T or 2 
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Jul 4, 2019 12:42
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Deep into Winter's Heart (book 9) right now and I'm definitely feeling all of the "Aes Sedai specific chapters suck, Mat chapters are good" vibes at this point. But I'm also feeling pretty good about my progress through the slump-y tomes - another book & change til the better stuff shows up.
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Jul 4, 2019 14:35
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Avalerion posted:Matt being the "funny guy" is a prime example of failing to show, not tell. My trouble with Mat being the “funny guy” was that nothing he did was funny. Everyone always just treated him as though he were. Complaining about being forced to do things and swearing is not the same thing as being funny.
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Jul 4, 2019 20:56
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Data Graham posted:Complaining about being forced to do things and swearing is not the same thing as being funny. That was pretty much my issue with him all along, but he's had some funny parts with Talmanas. And then he's just been subject to some cool stuff between Cinderstap and The Tower of Ganja. He's definitely grown on me since he ceased just being, "all I want to do is run away, dice and kiss girls"
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Jul 5, 2019 19:44
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Sab669 posted:That was pretty much my issue with him all along, but he's had some funny parts with Talmanas. And then he's just been subject to some cool stuff between Cinderstap and The Tower of Ganja. He's definitely grown on me since he ceased just being, "all I want to do is run away, dice and kiss girls" Yeah, as soon as Sanderson started writing some Mat/Talmanes scenes he became hilarious. All like “Wait are you making fun of me?” “Oh I wouldn’t dream of it sir”. God I was waiting for that for like five million pages
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Jul 5, 2019 21:50
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Mat was part of the reason why I gave up on Wheel of Time early on, because I could not stand him in any way shape or form.
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Jul 5, 2019 22:13
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Kchama posted:Mat was part of the reason why I gave up on Wheel of Time early on, because I could not stand him in any way shape or form. Once you get over the god-awful initial portrayal halfway through The Dragon Reborn, and let him get his second powerset under his belt, Mat dramatically improves.
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Jul 6, 2019 05:30
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I mean, I'm on Book 13 and he's really only just starting to come around for me in the last book or maybe two.
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Jul 6, 2019 15:07
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I like how everyone says Mat the lazy irresponsible one and Perrin is the thoughtful responsible one. Then anytime the chance for Mat to run away and abandon friends, allies, or strangers comes up, he jumps into the thick of things and risks his life. The second Perrin is given responsibility he risks the lives of everyone he meets and the universe itself. I don't know if it was intentional, but I enjoyed that.
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Jul 6, 2019 15:17
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In the book Siuan says Mat reminds of her of her uncle who was a gambler and n’er do well who died pulling children out of a burning building. So its probably intentional.
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Jul 6, 2019 16:22
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Mat is the kind of friend that you'd trust with your life, but not with your wallet.
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Jul 7, 2019 05:44
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Yeah like, y’all crazy. Mat and Perrin never stop owning. The thing is most people disproportionately weigh their internal POV when they think of that character. Rand is actually completely scarily insane. Perrin gripes about having his wolf powers but the problem is actually how he integrates his use of them with his human side—he doesn’t get that his senses are always true, and that no matter what he says, when the chips are down he goes to the wolf first instinctively. And yeah Mat. It’s the constant interplay of dramatic irony that makes the story so good.
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Jul 7, 2019 07:09
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RC Cola posted:I like how everyone says Mat the lazy irresponsible one and Perrin is the thoughtful responsible one. It's been a long while since I've read them, but IIRC mat was the one saying that like 90% of the time, usually just before or after he did something very difficult very well. The other 10% are people who knew him when he was a lovely kid.
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Jul 7, 2019 16:58
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Mat? He's a playful prankster who shirks his responsibilities! There's no possible way that travel, experience, hardship, tons of magic, nearly dying multiple times, confronting ancient evil, and unlocking multiple super powers could change him! Plus he knows how to talk to girls, I could never figure that one out. 
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Jul 7, 2019 21:25
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WoT Book 11 Wow, so Elayne has someone taste her piss every day to tell the health of her babies. That sure is something.
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Jul 9, 2019 22:28
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It's a historically accurate detail, you can diagnose a lot of illnesses that way. It's also completely unnecessary in a completely different world with literal magic
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Jul 9, 2019 23:11
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Gestational diabetes is a real threat, also their knowledge of Healing had atrophied greatly. I appreciate any bit of weird world building that remind you you arent in the normal world with funny names.
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Jul 10, 2019 13:43
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Yeah pee tasting has been a real thing in the medical world for a long time. Elayne's story in the late-middle books is one of my least favorite, but the multicultural prenatal care was probably a high point. It's too bad RJs treatment of matriarchs colliding is so insufferable because there's some good opportunities in that plot line for cool characterizations that just don't happen.
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Jul 10, 2019 15:14
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Ha, the battle at the end of book 11 was the most wet fart battle ever.
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Jul 10, 2019 18:02
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Twelve is much better, IMO. Only a few chapters in 14, but I'm enjoying it. I was at the book store looking for a physical copy this weekend, which they didn't have, so I impulse bought The Shadow of What Was Lost instead. I had never heard of it, but the author's website says he's heavily inspired by Jordan and Sanderson (and Rothfuss) so that caught my eye. Have any of you goons read it?
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Jul 10, 2019 19:01
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Sab669 posted:I was at the book store looking for a physical copy this weekend, which they didn't have, so I impulse bought The Shadow of What Was Lost instead. I had never heard of it, but the author's website says he's heavily inspired by Jordan and Sanderson (and Rothfuss) so that caught my eye. Have any of you goons read it? I quite liked the first two books, too bad that the third book isn't out yet. It's planned to be released this December.
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Sab669 posted:Twelve is much better, IMO. I read the first book within the past year, but for the life of me I could not tell you anything about the plot, characters, or how the magic works.
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Jul 10, 2019 21:24
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Khizan posted:Mat is the kind of friend that you'd trust with your life, but not with your wallet. Are you kidding? I'd give that man my life's savings as seed money for a night in Tar Vegas, I'd be set.
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Jul 11, 2019 01:46
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Arrath posted:Are you kidding? I'd give that man my life's savings as seed money for a night in Tar Vegas, I'd be set. "Okay, bad news is I no longer have your money. ...good news is you now own Tar Vegas. Like, all of it."
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Jul 11, 2019 01:47
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Democratic Pirate posted:I read the first book within the past year, but for the life of me I could not tell you anything about the plot, characters, or how the magic works. Jesus, I apparently own the first two books in that series (The Shadow of What Was Lost), and I couldn't do that either.
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Jul 11, 2019 03:26
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Sab669 posted:Twelve is much better, IMO. It not the worst but it incorporates the worst of all sorts of fantasy tropes, characters that are thousands of years old that act like/date teenagers, stupid time travel loop plots, female characters that mainly exist lust after a main boy characters. The thing that annoys me the most is the stupid use of the powers, so there magic characters that are even more magic then the regular magic users in the book, they have the dreams that see the future through their own eyes, a recurring problem with the future dreams is they don't know the date/time when the things happen. My main nitpick is that if you have spent your entire life having dreams of your own future and major events that took place during it, why would you not look a calendar or something every once in a while just so your past self will have an idea of when these things happen.
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Jul 11, 2019 03:55
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Brandon recorded a video of him reading a part of Stormlight 4 here: https://www.tor.com/2019/07/20/sdcc-brandon-sanderson-stormlight-archive-4-excerpt/ It's from Venli's perspective. He also confirmed again that he's shooting for a 2020 release date.
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Jul 26, 2019 16:52
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Some pretty big news: http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2019/08/j-michael-straczynski-and-brandon.html?m=1quote:In very interesting news, SF TV writing legend J. Michael Straczynski (Babylon 5, Sense8) is working on a new urban fantasy project with bestselling fantasy author Brandon Sanderson (Mistborn, The Stormlight Archive).
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Aug 3, 2019 19:58
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Two delicious flavors that go great together?! Can't wait. Unrelated: finally made it to Knife of Dreams, aka the last Jordan-authored WoT volume. Been quite a slog, even tho I now only skim the Aes Sedai-heavy chapters. Mat's stuff is more fun, though I'm unconvinced by some recent developments with his attitude towards T u o n - and I mean that on top of Jordan's overall weak interpersonal relationship writing. Speaking of weak writing, boy howdy, did y'all know that women have breasts, because I'm reminded of this fact literally twice a page at this point. Did ol' Robert die of horny in the end?
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Aug 3, 2019 21:13
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*crosses my arms beneath my breasts*
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Aug 3, 2019 22:49
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Data Graham posted:*crosses my arms beneath my breasts* Also, BTW, P.S., I almost forgot to mention: boobs. He's never been great at writing from a woman's perspective, and this is part of it too - even when the chapter viewpoint is a woman she's got male gaze aplenty.
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Cicero posted:Some pretty big news: http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2019/08/j-michael-straczynski-and-brandon.html?m=1 I like Sanderson but this just sounds like Yet Another Goddamn Isekai
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Aug 4, 2019 00:13
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it sounds like an inverse isekai, where things keep coming into our world to kill this nerd
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Aug 4, 2019 00:28
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Both creative minds named have extensive and positive backgrounds, so I think I can have some faith in the plan.
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Cicero posted:Some pretty big news: http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2019/08/j-michael-straczynski-and-brandon.html?m=1 Serious question: Did people actually like Sense8? I tried to watch it when everyone was fawing over it and was totally baffled. I thought it was really, really bad. Lazy characters, terrible conflict, and an interesting premise ruined by everyone just being 100% horny all the time. I say that not as a prudish thing, because sex and attraction are an important part of any character, but it was basically the primary defining characteristic of every single character which was just awful. I never watched B5 though I've heard great things, but hearing that the creator of Sense8 is doing something with Sanderson's work does not fill me with confidence. Also I find it ironic that Sanderson wanted to work with him considering his prudish tendencies.
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