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Aramek posted:lefties are not joining the police force/military, but crazed right-wingers are. I wonder why that could be? 
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Jul 6, 2019 02:16
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Personally Unheld Popular Opinion: It really is a mystery.
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Jul 6, 2019 03:15
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Tiggum posted:I wonder why that could be? First you have to fail the intelligence test, then deal with awful co-workers and finally... not get paid so good. Good bennies though.
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Jul 6, 2019 03:37
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Anglophone monolinguals have no idea about anything since the English language is just a vehicle for ideas that are mostly brain poison.
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Jul 6, 2019 12:02
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Shibawanko posted:Anglophone monolinguals have no idea about anything since the English language is just a vehicle for ideas that are mostly brain poison. White people have just historically been dumb and/or evil.
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Jul 6, 2019 12:14
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That's only because they're the ones who happen to own the world at this point. They won't always but we hope the next people who own the world will be less terrible to everyone who isn't them.
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Jul 6, 2019 14:43
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Aramek posted:That's only because they're the ones who happen to own the world at this point. They won't always but we hope the next people who own the world will be less terrible to everyone who isn't them. Bwahahahahaha! We may as well be talking about how dogs will inherit the earth and create dog societies and wear dog pants and stuff.
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Whatever sentient species' survives will create a new, albeit likely brief, society in the aftermath, though? Thry're unlikely to have pants because they won't need them/have opposable thumbs to really take advantage of/create them. I don't remember if it was this thread or another I mentioned it in; the First Nations peoples of North America also went through ecological and societal growing pains, but because their goal was life worth living and not brutal subjugation of an Other, they got it figured out. Just in time for those demon crackers to come gently caress it all up, after they got kicked out of their homeland for being demon crackers.
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Maybe we should subjugate everyone who thinks it's okay to be different from us to prevent them from loving everything up?
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Jul 6, 2019 17:51
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Aramek posted:Maybe we should subjugate everyone who thinks it's okay to be different from us to prevent them from loving everything up? PHUO: We'd already be living in a space-age utopia if the First Nations peoples of North America had been successful in repelling the colonists (the ones abandoning the colonies to integrate with the natives were correct to do so).
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PHUO: humanity will never be capable of achieving a utopia. We are not inherently good, and even if we have periods of peace and prosperity, someone will always get a taste for power and stomp all over the pacifists. The only ethical thing is to either hope God does another flood so we have a do-over, or more realistically, start to phase ourselves out as a species. We've had thousands of years to get it right, and for the rest of time we'll always be on the edge of destroying it all. Illuminati, put chemicals in the water to not make us and our frog brethren gay, but to sterilize us.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:PHUO: humanity will never be capable of achieving a utopia. We are not inherently good, and even if we have periods of peace and prosperity, someone will always get a taste for power and stomp all over the pacifists. If Anne Frank, of all loving people, in a capital-N Nazi extermination camp (distinct from the concentration camps), was able to believe that people are "basically good," we can figure our poo poo out and not be irredeemable fuckstains. See also: apartheid South Africa and the lack of bloodbath that concluded it.
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I mean, there are people that are good and will never give in to corruption, but the issue is that all it takes is a small amount who aren't as strong mentally and it will all go to poo poo, every time. You can't have a society of good people when you're doing things like has been suggested itt and summarily executing people deemed to be nazis. That is a just thing to do but not a good thing to do.
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Jul 6, 2019 19:17
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Just get rid of all the bad people imo
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Jul 6, 2019 19:23
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Tubgoat posted:I don't remember if it was this thread or another I mentioned it in; the First Nations peoples of North America also went through ecological and societal growing pains, but because their goal was life worth living and not brutal subjugation of an Other, they got it figured out. Just in time for those demon crackers to come gently caress it all up, after they got kicked out of their homeland for being demon crackers. I mean, they fought wars against each other all the damned time. Including against each other while fighting against the US/Canadian governments.
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Jul 6, 2019 19:26
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I mean, there are people that are good and will never give in to corruption, but the issue is that all it takes is a small amount who aren't as strong mentally and it will all go to poo poo, every time. You can't have a society of good people when you're doing things like has been suggested itt and summarily executing people deemed to be nazis. That is a just thing to do but not a good thing to do. Whenever false accusations are made, it tends to be discovered extremely quickly because, thank loving god, such poo poo is (at least publicly) taken seriously nowadays as we've started acknowledging that it's not cool for destructively-selfish persons with power and no conscience to treat living people as unfeeling/non-sentient resources whose sole existence is for the benefit of their attacker. Full disclosure: if an angry mob decides I ought to be put to death for the benefit of the collective because I am irredeemably toxic, I will help build the guillotine and be the first to put my neck through the hole. Solice Kirsk posted:I mean, they fought wars against each other all the damned time. Including against each other while fighting against the US/Canadian governments.
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I wasn't really talking about people falsely accused. It's not good to kill anyone for any reason, even if it might be justified. The reason I said "deemed to be" is because if you authorize the authorities to kill nazis, they aren't going to properly vet everybody before pulling the trigger. They'll do what humans always do and use it to kill anyone they disagree with, whether they meet the threshold of "nazi" or not. my main point is you might think you're the good guys, but when you start gunning down people in the streets there are no good guys.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I wasn't really talking about people falsely accused. It's not good to kill anyone for any reason, even if it might be justified. The reason I said "deemed to be" is because if you authorize the authorities to kill nazis, they aren't going to properly vet everybody before pulling the trigger. They'll do what humans always do and use it to kill anyone they disagree with, whether they meet the threshold of "nazi" or not. yeah I eat rear end posted:my main point is you might think you're the good guys, but when you start gunning down people in the streets there are no good guys.
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Did I say that? Shoot all the nazis you want. But don't tell me you're a good person. you talk about utopia, but all you seem to advocate for is having the less-bad side be in power. That's not a utopia, it's just a less bad regime. e: which is exactly why i said originally that utopias can't exist. You will never eliminate human evil. yeah I eat ass has a new favorite as of 19:41 on Jul 6, 2019 |
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99.999% goodness is not 100% goodness, ergo 0% goodness is preferable to 99.999% goodness.  yeah I eat rear end posted:Did I say that? I never once made that claim. I am willing to label my nazi-murdering neighbor a good person, though, until serious charges are made against them. And even then, I'm willing to forgive them if they want to not be that way anymore and work toward a better world.
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Tubgoat posted:Oh, poo poo, word? I had no idea! Inter-tribal sparring is 100% as bad as scorched-earth genocide against the land, sea, air and everything living in/on it! I'm not the one that said they had everything figured out because they were so noble and only wanted to live good lives. You sound like a child.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm not the one that said they had everything figured out because they were so noble and only wanted to live good lives. You sound like a child.
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What am I compromising? Who are you arguing with here?
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Tubgoat posted:99.999% goodness is not 100% goodness, ergo 0% goodness is preferable to 99.999% goodness. I feel like you're being intentionally obtuse. I've clearly stated my opinion at the start that humanity is bad and should be phased out. Yes, a less bad society would be preferable to what we have now, but no society would be even better.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I feel like you're being intentionally obtuse. In case you're not, we can loving do better and step 0 of that is unbrainwashing or exterminating the people actively trying to prevent better things. And no, I do not believe that would include you or people who think like you, as you're ostensibly coming from a place of concern for your neighbors, which is a good thing! but nazis are not. Tubgoat has a new favorite as of 19:49 on Jul 6, 2019 |
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Overall I hate nature and wish I could pave all of it. Like I know we need farms and stuff but I just see grass and I get pissed. Apparently having parks and green spaces make people feel less anxious when living in a city but, gently caress you for having anxiety. I've been doing yard work all week and I'm mad.
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Aramek posted:I've been doing yard work all week and I'm mad. The anxiety most feel is a giant mess whose disentanglement from our current cultural trajectory and alienation from the fruits of our labor is basically impossible.
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Benevolent AI dictatorship when?
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TheMaskedUgly posted:Benevolent AI dictatorship when? When the AI is programmed by someone not invested in our current economic system.
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Aramek posted:Overall I hate nature and wish I could pave all of it. Like I know we need farms and stuff but I just see grass and I get pissed. Yards and nature are not the same thing. Hating yard work means you hate the false idea we have of what our outdoor spaces should look like. My PHUO is that yards made from invasives grasses require way to much maintenance and resources and should be heavily discourage in favor of utilizing native grass and flowers that can make a wonderful low maintenance place for your family and wildlife. Also xeriscaping is bullshit unless you actually live in a desert. Yards made of gravel are bullshit.
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TheMaskedUgly posted:Benevolent AI dictatorship when? True AI will never exist. It will always be poisoned by the people that train/code it. It will just be automated humanity, which means we should destroy it if anyone tries to give it any power over us. that is, unless we can somehow decouple it from us and let it be truly independently sentient. The moment we try to code human emotions into it, we're hosed. If I may quote the greatest early 2000s action movie: quote:Its symptom is hate. Its symptom is anger. Its symptom is rage. Its symptom is war. The disease is human emotion If we had unfeeling robots that couldn't cheat and skip their prozium doses ruling over us and keeping us peaceful, then maybe AI could work for the benefit of humanity. yeah I eat ass has a new favorite as of 00:41 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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It's fun to roleplay Mr. Spock, pretending to be logical and above such petty things as emotions. Beep boop.
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Tubgoat posted:It's fun to roleplay Mr. Spock, pretending to be logical and above such petty things as emotions. Beep boop. I think you need to watch Equilibrium. Father and the clerics (until they are revealed to all be frauds) aren't like Spock at all.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:(until they are revealed to all be frauds) I enjoyed that film, if I was a filmmaker I'd insist on the Wachowskis and their team doing all the choreography.
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Tubgoat posted:Bingo, motherfucker. The premise of the movie holds true though even though the leadership failed - the sense offenders hosed everything up and the ending is portrayed to be happy but you know they're heading straight for ww4. also the choreography was just fine and i don't care how ridiculous gun kata looked it owns
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The problem is when you have two different sets of rules to play by which are unilaterally enforced against a group with no power to self-actualise or enforce them against the group in charge.yeah I eat rear end posted:also the choreography was just fine and i don't care how ridiculous gun kata looked it owns
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Were they involved with equilibrium though? I thought their key selling point was "we're not the matrix, we're better!" etc.
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I was 100% sure it was them until you said something.  Kurt Wimmer and Jim Vickers, I guess. Whoops! TIL. Embarrassing things about gunkata, ranked descending. 1. The in-universe description 2. The name Tubgoat has a new favorite as of 03:10 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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The name is pretty bad but I think it's kind of endearing how serious the plot portrays it. They even had simulated diagrams and poo poo trying (and failing) to make it make sense. Like they really want us to buy that if you twist around and shoot without aiming it somehow makes you an invincible killing machine.
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