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shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

MrChips posted:

You could literally double the salary of every pilot and flight attendant at an airline and it would bump your ticket cost by maybe 5-10 percent at the most.



yeah but how much would it hit the C-suite bonuses? won't somebody please, please think of the job creators??

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Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
So it’s just like wage work where paying everyone at McDonalds at least $15/hr would only raise the price of a Big Mac meal by $0.35 but that would be FILTHY COMMUNISM?

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

The CFI staff of the flight school I was courted by last week all get to come in on their off days (the runway is closed a couple days this week) for a meeting with the college, for which they won't be paid. I'm glad I stayed away.

PT6A posted:

Remind me what tortured logic they used to justify that, given both pilots were above ATP minima and they crashed due to failure to identify and recover from a stall, a skill I absolutely expect to see in my students before I think about sending them solo.

There were problems there and none of them had anything to do with the size of the number at the bottom of a logbook.

An attention whore US Senator from New York (Chuck, of the popular Trump sitcom "Chuck and Nancy") made it his crusade to avenge the passengers (his constituents) on behalf of their families, a group who have no idea how airplanes work but seem to think they do. Part of this effort was to hammer something through Congress as quickly as possible regardless of how idiotic, so they just said "everybody gets an ATP because all pilots with <1499TT are going to kill you".

Add Sully to the campaign, who was a pop culture God at the time and would periodically have Facebook posts made scaring people into submission because I Am An Aviation Safety Expert, and it became unstoppable.

The fact that I researched accidents from 1988-2013 for my Capstone looking for the number of US airline accidents with fatalities attributed to human error with sub-1500TT pilots and found none had happened since 1989 (the Pinnacle CRJ joyride in 2004 was the only one between) and probably did more research than the government did should tell you all you need to know about the process.

CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jun 29, 2019

greasyhands
Oct 28, 2006

Best quality posts,
freshly delivered

Jealous Cow posted:

So it’s just like wage work where paying everyone at McDonalds at least $15/hr would only raise the price of a Big Mac meal by $0.35 but that would be FILTHY COMMUNISM?

Or like when Papa John cried out that if he had to give health insurance to all his employees he'd have to raise the price of his pizzas by 14 cents

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/papa-johns-john-schnatter-obamacare-pizza-prices/story?id=16962891

This country is insane

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

greasyhands posted:

Or like when Papa John cried out that if he had to give health insurance to all his employees he'd have to raise the price of his pizzas by 14 cents

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/papa-johns-john-schnatter-obamacare-pizza-prices/story?id=16962891

This country is insane

I wish I didn’t have to live through the death throes of America/Capitalism. :smith:

Loucks
May 21, 2007

It's incwedibwe easy to suck my own dick.

e.pilot posted:

I wish I didn’t have to live through the death throes of America/Capitalism. :smith:

Don’t worry: We’re going to limp along in a bizarre state of late-stage legislatively-captured zombie capitalism for at least a couple of decades until some form of democratic socialism is popular enough to effect meaningful policy change, i.e., enough boomers/gen Xers die. :haw:

St_Ides
May 19, 2008

Arson Daily posted:

I once had a student from Kenya who was very proud of his Cessna 152 and 172 type ratings. I guess you had to have a type for every make and model over there.

Every year you need to account for every hour you've flown on every single aircraft. All handwritten.

And each of those "type ratings" probably came with a great certificate and probably a ceremony.

Kenyan paperwork is ridiculous. The stuff I've gone through with the KCAA would make you laugh to the point of crying.

K: "you need X document"
Me: "that document does not exist, here is the law proving it"
K: "you don't tell me how to do my job. I know the document does not exist, but you need it"
Me: ".... Um OK?" (hand over document that's mildly related, with the title scratched out and the title of the document they want written in)
K: "OK, this will do"

overdesigned
Apr 10, 2003

We are compassion...
Lipstick Apathy
I passed my NATOPS check last week, I'm officially a non-student Harrier pilot now. Yeehaw.

Here, have a picture of a Harrier.

Animal
Apr 8, 2003

overdesigned posted:

I passed my NATOPS check last week, I'm officially a non-student Harrier pilot now. Yeehaw.

Here, have a picture of a Harrier.



Awseome! Neat jets. I taxi next to them in Spain every now an then. They are tiny!

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

overdesigned posted:

I passed my NATOPS check last week, I'm officially a non-student Harrier pilot now. Yeehaw.

Here, have a picture of a Harrier.



Congrats man! Which squadron you going to?

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

overdesigned posted:

I passed my NATOPS check last week, I'm officially a non-student Harrier pilot now. Yeehaw.

Here, have a picture of a Harrier.



Sick 100%.

KodiakRS
Jul 11, 2012

:stonk:

Jealous Cow posted:

So it’s just like wage work where paying everyone at McDonalds at least $15/hr would only raise the price of a Big Mac meal by $0.35 but that would be FILTHY COMMUNISM?

Yeah but people don't price shop for Big Macs online. If you're looking at airline tickets online and one costs $200 while the other costs $205 all other things being equal you're going to go with the $200 one every time. That $5 extra to pay the crew didn't cost the airline $5 it cost them $205. The airlines would rather get as many pilots as they can at current wages and simply adjust the number of flights they operate accordingly than give up even a small cost advantage to their competitors.

Rolo posted:

Scored an 81 pass

Fixed it for you. (congrats by the way)

overdesigned posted:

I passed my NATOPS check last week, I'm officially a non-student Harrier pilot now. Yeehaw.

Here, have a picture of a Harrier.



Okay, you are unironically a badass.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
Gave some feedback about how different everything was and SheppardAir gave me a refund.

I was within the policy to get one regardless but it was nice for them to offer it before I specifically asked for it.

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI
AceCFI FIRC now has a server side countdown timer. UGH.

Got it 2 years ago in 2 hours..... 11 now...

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005

Captain Apollo posted:

AceCFI FIRC now has a server side countdown timer. UGH.

Got it 2 years ago in 2 hours..... 11 now...

I think the FAA must have cracked down on how long online courses take, since the AOPA FIRC added a bunch of unskippable videos and such in the last two years.

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

St_Ides posted:

Every year you need to account for every hour you've flown on every single aircraft. All handwritten.

And each of those "type ratings" probably came with a great certificate and probably a ceremony.

Kenyan paperwork is ridiculous. The stuff I've gone through with the KCAA would make you laugh to the point of crying.

K: "you need X document"
Me: "that document does not exist, here is the law proving it"
K: "you don't tell me how to do my job. I know the document does not exist, but you need it"
Me: ".... Um OK?" (hand over document that's mildly related, with the title scratched out and the title of the document they want written in)
K: "OK, this will do"

Having no idea if this kids hours would transfer to an American 141 training program I called our POI at the FAA and got a response something like “you tell me! Why don’t you know this!” So it’s the same poo poo here too.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Not gonna lie, having a Cessna 172 type rating on my license would be hilarious and awesome.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Arson Daily posted:

Having no idea if this kids hours would transfer to an American 141 training program I called our POI at the FAA and got a response something like “you tell me! Why don’t you know this!” So it’s the same poo poo here too.

The POIs in our region had no idea how to process an RATP application and had to call Washington DC for guidance. The FSDO is also horribly under understaffed, which is why one of their inspectors was actively attempting to poach our staff (myself included, but I'm lacking ratings). She succeeded, and our chief just took a safety inspector job there and, ironically, may become our POI in the future.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Does anyone know how rental aircraft incident rates and privately-owned aircraft accident rates compare to each other? I'm curious if PPL owners do the same quantity of dumb poo poo as our renters, and I just don't see it, or if rental makes people more careless and stupid.

Secondary to that question, does anyone have tips for putting renters under pressure during a 1-2 hour check-on-type to really check their PDM and situational awareness? We seem to be in a situation where, overall, they're decent pilots but they keep making unpredictably stupid things happen in circumstances we can't really have planned for. With my students, as they get close to their license, I always make sure that whenever they ask me "what should I do?" I ask "what do you think you should do?" before I simply give away the answer, but I don't always get that opportunity with an annual check-on-type flight.

I also appreciate the wisdom of my aviation medical examiner who, when I was getting my medical back and planning to just do this as a hobby, said "you know, you should do your CPL even if you don't plan to fly commercially, because it's going to improve your skills and make you a safer pilot." That's exceptionally good advice, based on the PPL nonsense I've seen.

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI
Yeah due, scenario based training is the deal.

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI
Hi!

I'm 3 days into my Ace CFI renewal and on lesson 5 out of 16.


Gentle reminder for all CFI's to start their renewal like 4 months early. 4 months is the earliest you can start without getting a new expiration date.

This timed test is terrible.

sanchez
Feb 26, 2003

PT6A posted:

Does anyone know how rental aircraft incident rates and privately-owned aircraft accident rates compare to each other? I'm curious if PPL owners do the same quantity of dumb poo poo as our renters, and I just don't see it, or if rental makes people more careless and stupid.

Secondary to that question, does anyone have tips for putting renters under pressure during a 1-2 hour check-on-type to really check their PDM and situational awareness? We seem to be in a situation where, overall, they're decent pilots but they keep making unpredictably stupid things happen in circumstances we can't really have planned for. With my students, as they get close to their license, I always make sure that whenever they ask me "what should I do?" I ask "what do you think you should do?" before I simply give away the answer, but I don't always get that opportunity with an annual check-on-type flight.


I'm a PPL owner and have done some dumb poo poo. In theory renters should be safer, they're closer to the training environment of a flight school and they're flying simple airplanes that don't sit much.

For the second paragraph, you're dealing with pilots who have certificates and a valid BFR and meet your insurance and time requirements. If they can operate the airplane safely and have a good understanding of the avionics/systems on your particular example, I'd say your conscience should be clear. Save the go/no-go type stuff for BFR's and those who use you as their primary CFI. It's got to be hard to dig into someones thinking unless you've spent some time with them working on ratings or whatever.

sanchez fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Jul 5, 2019

fatman1683
Jan 8, 2004
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Anyone have any feedback on the Gleim online ground school products? I'm thinking about going for my ground instructor certificates and getting a part-time job teaching ground school until I can afford to start flying.

yellowD
Mar 7, 2007

fatman1683 posted:

Anyone have any feedback on the Gleim online ground school products? I'm thinking about going for my ground instructor certificates and getting a part-time job teaching ground school until I can afford to start flying.

I'm using them presently for my PPL. Each unit is dense but without filler, if that makes sense. The online test prep is probably the best part though. Read unit, answer study questions, track progress. If you're looking for specifics let me know.

Desi
Jul 5, 2007
This.
Changes.
EVERYTHING.
So 8 years and 7 months after I did my first ever flying lesson (because maybe having a PPL would be neat) I've got an interview scheduled with a major legacy airline (the big red maple leaf).

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

Goongrats and good luck!

I use gleim to renew my cfi and Dr. Gleim is the one who signs my 8710 it’s adorable :kimchi:
He even wrote me an email after I left feedback on one of the modules.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Desi posted:

So 8 years and 7 months after I did my first ever flying lesson (because maybe having a PPL would be neat) I've got an interview scheduled with a major legacy airline (the big red maple leaf).



Congratulations!

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Desi posted:

So 8 years and 7 months after I did my first ever flying lesson (because maybe having a PPL would be neat) I've got an interview scheduled with a major legacy airline (the big red maple leaf).



:toot:

Two Kings
Nov 1, 2004

Get the scientists working on the tube technology, immediately.

Arson Daily posted:

Goongrats and good luck!

I use gleim to renew my cfi and Dr. Gleim is the one who signs my 8710 it’s adorable :kimchi:
He even wrote me an email after I left feedback on one of the modules.

Dr. Gleim is a real person? And alive? I figured he was like Mavis Beacon.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

fatman1683 posted:

Anyone have any feedback on the Gleim online ground school products? I'm thinking about going for my ground instructor certificates and getting a part-time job teaching ground school until I can afford to start flying.

I used the online study guide for my AGI and enjoyed it, especially the statistics for how I would do on the practice tests. What was stunning to me is the majority of my practice tests were either 84s or 86s and, on the real thing, I got an 85.

You have a smart approach in mind for the part-time job. One of our students got her AGI and taught Ground Schools, which helped both give her extra cash and, from the college's perspective, one free class per semester, which saved money there.

fatman1683
Jan 8, 2004
.
Thanks for the feedback, I have this idea that having my Gold Seal will make me a little more attractive to the legacies once I get to that point, and that requires your ground instructor certs.

I also want the practice teaching, the subject matter experience and hopefully a discount on my flight time from the school I'm looking at. Ideally this ~$800 investment will save me about ten times that in rentals when I start doing my own flying.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

fatman1683 posted:

Anyone have any feedback on the Gleim online ground school products? I'm thinking about going for my ground instructor certificates and getting a part-time job teaching ground school until I can afford to start flying.

Is that a common thing to do? I flipped through the FAR because your post made me curious and I guess you don't have to have any pilot certificates or flight time to be a ground instructor...but it seems like an odd idea, setting out to teach a topic before you've had a chance to do it for real yourself. No judgment, it just strikes me as odd.

I guess a lot of the stuff -- aerodynamic theory, weather, engines, regulations, etc -- doesn't require that you know how to fly a plane in real life. But I feel like I'd feel weird teaching people about how to perform crosswind landings or whatever knowing that I'd never done it myself.

(If I am just misreading "until I can afford to start flying" please ignore this post)

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Jul 7, 2019

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Sagebrush posted:

But I feel like I'd feel weird teaching people about ... whatever knowing that I'd never done it myself.

Said the college professor.. :v:

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Desi posted:

So 8 years and 7 months after I did my first ever flying lesson (because maybe having a PPL would be neat) I've got an interview scheduled with a major legacy airline (the big red maple leaf).



When did you know that professional piloting was what you wanted to do?

fatman1683
Jan 8, 2004
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Sagebrush posted:

Is that a common thing to do? I flipped through the FAR because your post made me curious and I guess you don't have to have any pilot certificates or flight time to be a ground instructor...but it seems like an odd idea, setting out to teach a topic before you've had a chance to do it for real yourself. No judgment, it just strikes me as odd.

I guess a lot of the stuff -- aerodynamic theory, weather, engines, regulations, etc -- doesn't require that you know how to fly a plane in real life. But I feel like I'd feel weird teaching people about how to perform crosswind landings or whatever knowing that I'd never done it myself.

(If I am just misreading "until I can afford to start flying" please ignore this post)

I have about 8 hours in 172s from the last time I tried to get my tickets, and I've been an aviation nerd for literally my entire life, so it's nothing I haven't at least been exposed to.

I graduated high school in 2002, did my first bit of flying shortly thereafter, but the industry was in the toilet at the time and it didn't seem like a smart career path, so I went into IT instead. Now I'm at a sort of breakpoint in my career, and I decided I want to take another crack at flying. I don't want to take on a bunch of debt, so I'll need to save up for a bit, and I'd like to spend that time working 'in the industry' in some fashion. Hence, part-time ground instructor.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Sagebrush posted:

Is that a common thing to do? I flipped through the FAR because your post made me curious and I guess you don't have to have any pilot certificates or flight time to be a ground instructor...but it seems like an odd idea, setting out to teach a topic before you've had a chance to do it for real yourself. No judgment, it just strikes me as odd.

I guess a lot of the stuff -- aerodynamic theory, weather, engines, regulations, etc -- doesn't require that you know how to fly a plane in real life. But I feel like I'd feel weird teaching people about how to perform crosswind landings or whatever knowing that I'd never done it myself.

(If I am just misreading "until I can afford to start flying" please ignore this post)

It's definitely an interesting caveat I didn't know about myself until I started reading the eligibility for an AGI. Flying magazine has a long article which encourages it, though, and reminds potential instructors it's possible they won't have an answer for every question possible, but to follow up before the next class.

I know two people who eventually became CFIs but picked up an AGI along the way, though both of them had ratings.

I guess if someone is enthusiastic enough, can pass the test, and immerses themselves either through actual flight time or the plethora of resources available thanks to technology today (YouTube, even simulators), they could make an adequate or better ground instructor.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
My experience is that many instructors’ understanding of things like theory of flight, aircraft systems and meteorology is about one step above “a wizard did it” so I see no reason why a non-pilot who actually understands those topics shouldn’t be able to teach them.

Preparatory ground instruction on actually flying is a different matter, but there is plenty of material to cover in the ground school syllabus which can easily be understood and taught by people who aren’t pilots.

Desi
Jul 5, 2007
This.
Changes.
EVERYTHING.

Arson Daily posted:

Goongrats and good luck!

PT6A posted:

Congratulations!

e.pilot posted:

:confuoot:

Thanks, all! Now I just have to not screw it up! Crazy that I've been in this same thread (albeit not super active) since my first days flying, now here we are!


Potato Salad posted:

When did you know that professional piloting was what you wanted to do?

I'll try and TL;DR a long story. Basically I always wanted to fly but come from a fairly working class family. Coming out of high school, a local college flight program or going away for a government subsidized college flight program was just not feasible. Instead I went with Plan B, politics, and started driving my father's taxi at night to pay for a degree in Political Science. I was actually fairly successful in that world, starting off as a volunteer intern and finishing off as a non-political adviser to two different Prime Ministers. But after a few years, I was bored. I started to learn to fly originally just for the heck of getting a PPL and then the bug caught. Picked up a CPL, tried to join the RCAF, and then became an instructor all while still working for the feds. I was actually fortunate enough to be able to take a one-year unpaid leave of absence to work as an instructor while having a safety net, but really, about 6mo into that LOA, the bug had fully set in and I started planning an exit strategy to fly full time. Moved to teach Multi and IFR, then moved again to do a stint flying Air Ambulance in the north, then finallly got a job flying the mighty CRJ200. One year as an FO, then one year as CA, and we're at today where I've been given a shot at the Big Red Machine!

Animal
Apr 8, 2003

Good luck! 🍁

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Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
It’s that time of year! I’m doing an 8710 and hating myself for keeping paper records and not having separate totaled columns for things like PIC cross country and Night SIC landings (come on.)

So people that painstakingly update everything to something software based that can total this junk for you, whatcha using?

My tentative plan right now is to just make a big honking excel database and backup via printed copies every few months or whatever. Every year that I wait to update my records into the 21st century is another handful of pages that need to be checked over for strangely specific criteria. Also they don’t give you enough columns in paper logs anyways.

I don’t like the idea of subscription fee based logbook software and it needs to be iOS accessible.

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