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Draxion
Jun 9, 2013




The Berzerker posted:

They could at least make you pick a server before you go through the whole character design process, since you lose it all when you back out and choose another data center that (hopefully) has space on it

When it asks you to save your appearance data you can just do that and reload it when you go to make a character somewhere else, but it doesn't share that that's what you're doing very well.

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Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
You can see this a different way in Ronka, which is kind of the Allagan equivalent of the First.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

You don't want me owing you

Solovey posted:

can we go back to arguing about the final zone please, here I'll even start:

small brain: this city in the ocean populated exclusively by monsters and memories of people who died in an age long past is an obvious reference to zanarkand
galaxy brain: this city in the ocean populated exclusively by monsters and phantoms of people laid low by their own hubris is an obvious reference to rapture

personally speaking I got way more rapture vibes from amaurot, I love FFX but zanarkand didn't even ping on my radar until I saw somebody else bring it up. I mean just look at all the art deco down there, wow!

Solovey posted:

you say "needlessly reductive", I say "purposefully shitposting to change the subject and hopefully jumpstart a more nuanced conversation" :shrug: like I even said in my previous post that I agree with these observations on Amaurot, but if you ask me, the very image of a glittering metropolis with art deco architectural flourishes at the bottom of the sea is undeniably reminiscent of Bioshock, even if ultimately it's more on an aesthetic level than anything else.

Agreed, (endgame) especially with the jazz music. Like obviously there's a communist/socialist structure but there's also the somewhat Randian reverence of the folks we know as Ascians (which may have led to their downfall). I think that getting Zanarkand vibes from Amaurot is a valid take, but when going thru the story bits Amaurot, I thought of Bioshock and Rapture more than any other comparison.

Eltoasto
Aug 26, 2002

We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.



I paid to skip that 100 quest wall and have never regretted it. Just watched the cutscenes on youtube.

The Berzerker
Feb 24, 2006

treat me like a dog


Draxion posted:

When it asks you to save your appearance data you can just do that and reload it when you go to make a character somewhere else, but it doesn't share that that's what you're doing very well.

Yeah there are still a few other steps you have to redo though. Just sucks to go through this whole process and get psyched to play the game and then it's like "oh, X minutes ago when you chose a data center, you chose one where all the servers are full lol sorry go start again", took the wind out of my sails when I started for sure.

Fun Times!
Dec 26, 2010
I'm trying to buy this game. Let me get this straight.

Since I played the demo on steam, the SE account I made the character on cannot also be used to activate a squre-enix.com license of the game? If I buy the game on Square's website, will I not be able to play it on my Members account that is linked to my Square store account? I haven't paid a time towards the steam version, I only played the demo.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Fun Times! posted:

I'm trying to buy this game. Let me get this straight.

Since I played the demo on steam, the SE account I made the character on cannot also be used to activate a squre-enix.com license of the game? If I buy the game on Square's website, will I not be able to play it on my Members account that is linked to my Square store account? I haven't paid a time towards the steam version, I only played the demo.

It's very weird and very dumb. Despite what I said earlier, just get the Steam version if you want to keep the character.

Fun Times!
Dec 26, 2010

Arist posted:

It's very weird and very dumb. Despite what I said earlier, just get the Steam version if you want to keep the character.

I don't care about the character, but I want to use my account with my primary email address. But that email is linked to the account that I activated the game on Steam for the demo.

skystream92
Jul 1, 2007
Seems like the overall sentiment of Shadowbringers has been pretty positive; thinking about jumping back in. I remember leaving right before Stormblood (had a lvl 60 AST). Now a good time to rejoin?

Krabboss
Nov 11, 2016

MY HUSBAND'S PARSE IS BETTER THAN YOURS
Took all day, but I finally managed to get into a Titania Ex clear party that could finish the fight. People really struggle with the add phase.

Krabboss fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Jul 7, 2019

Zoig
Oct 31, 2010

skystream92 posted:

Seems like the overall sentiment of Shadowbringers has been pretty positive; thinking about jumping back in. I remember leaving right before Stormblood (had a lvl 60 AST). Now a good time to rejoin?

Probably, there is a lot of good stuff and a lot of classes were made easier to enjoy and the story is amazing. On the other hand, ast is probably in the worst spot out of all classes right now, having nothing to really make them worth using over other healers, and having a class that can buff as well, if not better than it being put into the game. If you really want to play, go for it, there's a job in every other role you can try that starts at 50 or 60 if you end up unhappy with the ast changes, and the current story is really good although you will need to go through stormblood.

TooManyUzukis
Jun 23, 2007

Nodosaur posted:

Is this board so humorless and joyless than one can't make light in the face of a tragedy or think that two characters seem cute together? Geezus.


Of the love of-. Being critical of media doesn't mean condemning it. Vauthry made me feel, personally, uncomfortable. From the way you've all described how the rest of his story plays out, it seems at least the writers had good intentions, I just don't think those good intentions automatically negate any potential problems. A work can have issues with itself and still be enjoyable, every single writer who's ever lived struggles with things kind of thing at some point. Going "this one thing feels bad and I don't like it" doesn't mean I'm ready to harangue the writers for being the most insensitive people who were ever insensitive. I just like the way the character is used is a bit insulting, and that's it.

It's not the first or last time that this will happen about some matter or other in this game. But the writers have shown their ability to learn from it, as shown from the game making a big joke out of Hildibrand in a dress several years ago to Yoshi-P saying he wants to make the game more welcoming to trans people. That's what really matters; a willingness to listen, and this dev team seems to be well prepared for that sort of thing.

Excuse me if I don't take the criticisms of a person who thinks tesleen is the dead girlfriend trope very seriously. It reads like a crit 101 student reaching for last minute paper material. Like, I get it: I love Waypoint. But not everyone actually makes interesting or worthwhile points when trying to perform this kind of critique. Case in point!

ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



Most of ShB is really good, and most of ASTs biggest issues can be patched with potency buffs to be more competitive. Overall most classes have been improved from the surveys ive seen or about the same so good chance to try another.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Wingnut Ninja posted:

The bad:
- combat is kinda meh. At least up to level 25 or so, you've only got a two or three button rotation and very few utility skills. Plus skill activation and general game world interaction feels really laggy and disconnected.

Yeah, most of the classes don't really get going until level 60 or so, which makes syncing down to a level 30 dungeon feel awful. Of course, getting to level 60 requires a significant time investment too, which is one of the reasons FFXIV is "one of the best games out there that's hard to recommend."

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist

ChaseSP posted:

Most of ShB is really good, and most of ASTs biggest issues can be patched with potency buffs to be more competitive. Overall most classes have been improved from the surveys ive seen or about the same so good chance to try another.

The biggest change I want from ast, outside of some numbers tweaks, is for sleeve draw to automatically redraw cards while its active. There's so much weaving you need to do while it's on and would be a huge qol addition.

Alder
Sep 24, 2013

I cleared MSQ :sigh:

Shb= Love story b/t WoL and Crystal Exarch. Change my mind.

I feel like there's a huge plot hole for players who didn't clear Crystal Tower like who is this catboy and why do we care? Great VA and music. I have to admit some of the fetch quests got super long and tiring like at the forest.

- Aldbert's VA was super familiar and yeah I recognized the name at the end.
- Role quest was OK. Not that interesting but I guess avg for job quests all and all.
- I feel like the final dungeon was confusing due to the lazors and AoE spam. I had no idea wtf was going on and that more or less ruined part of the conclusion.
- Queue time was surprisingly not bad and will be sad once I realize it'll be 15+ min for DPS after the few weeks.
- Leveling was fine as I just hit DR everyday but I feel like there's so much exp for 70-80.



Final thoughts: ShB>HW>SB

ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



Orcs and Ostriches posted:

The biggest change I want from ast, outside of some numbers tweaks, is for sleeve draw to automatically redraw cards while its active. There's so much weaving you need to do while it's on and would be a huge qol addition.

Yes that would be an extremely cool change that wouldn't require you to have lightspeed up to dps while effectively managing cards.

Krabboss
Nov 11, 2016

MY HUSBAND'S PARSE IS BETTER THAN YOURS
I was level 77 on day one of early access and hit level 80 while the quests were still on level 78 I believe. It's pretty quick to level if you don't watch cutscenes, although I did end up watching a fair few cutscenes this expansion.

funkymonks
Aug 31, 2004

Pillbug
Post MSQ Spoilers The only thing I didn’t like was the stinger after the MSQ with Zenos. He is probably my main issue with SB and now he is going to make ShB patch content less interesting. He sucks. He looks like a creep and is a bad boring villain. His motivations are really loving stupid. Everything about him is bad.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



ChaseSP posted:

Most of ShB is really good, and most of ASTs biggest issues can be patched with potency buffs to be more competitive. Overall most classes have been improved from the surveys ive seen or about the same so good chance to try another.

Agreed. Pretty much the only thing I'd really need from AST is some number adjustments. I think Celestial Opposition should be way stronger for its CD or have its CD brought down to 45-60s, and Collective Unconscious could use a small potency buff on its regen. Right now, it seems like they need to hardcast to deal with AoE healing a lot more than any other healer, and their single target isn't impressive enough to warrant the AoE healing side feeling so clunky.

Ironslave
Aug 8, 2006

Corpse runner

isk posted:

Agreed, (endgame) especially with the jazz music. Like obviously there's a communist/socialist structure but there's also the somewhat Randian reverence of the folks we know as Ascians (which may have led to their downfall). I think that getting Zanarkand vibes from Amaurot is a valid take, but when going thru the story bits Amaurot, I thought of Bioshock and Rapture more than any other comparison.

I'm surprised nobody's made the connection between Amaurot and Atlantis, and even further than that to Blavatsky's theosophical idea of root races considering it posits the original inhabitants of the world were 12-foot-tall supermagic giants. Especially given how much the racist, fascist emperor was using that as his reasoning for all the horrible things he was doing.

Veev
Oct 21, 2010

K is for kid.
A guy or gal just like you.
Dont be in such a hurry to grow up, since there's nothin' a kid can't do.

Gumball Gumption posted:

I think a big part of the art deco look is because its futuristic and decadent in a way that's different from the Allagans but is also nostalgic. It's a really smart way to signify that the Ascians lived in a world far more advanced than the current FFXIV world, it's literally NYC. But it is also a NYC that's 100 years old in the real world.[

I think a large part of it is that it's just so different from everything else in the game, they've taken influence from a lot of real life cultures but nothing so modern. Even simpler than that is that all the buildings have such stark straight lines which is very imposing.

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.

Archyduchess posted:

This feels really pointlessly vitriolic and cruel for no reason-- I don't know what anybody in this thread said that could really warrant this, or what you get out of it, so I'm just going to drop it.

edit: like look come on multiple people in here have mentioned personal issues with eating disorders and weight, this is a low blow and actually profoundly lovely

Zoig
Oct 31, 2010

Collective getting nerfed from 150 to 50 is one of those "we have no idea what we are doing kind of moments." Unless they remove the regen, its going to be used pretty much as often as a astro thinks it can/has planned for. Also yeah, the cards need to autodraw during sleeve, they just feel way more finiky right now honestly. Because of the shorter duration and a need for every card drawn to be played on a person you are pushing card buttons a whole lot whenever you use sleeve draw.

PoorWeather
Nov 4, 2009

Don't worry, everybody has those days.

Gumball Gumption posted:

I think a big part of the art deco look is because its futuristic and decadent in a way that's different from the Allagans but is also nostalgic. It's a really smart way to signify that the Ascians lived in a world far more advanced than the current FFXIV world, it's literally NYC. But it is also a NYC that's 100 years old in the real world.[

I got the impression that it was explicitly meant to evoke something we, the player, would identify with our own world specifically, and so make it easier to empathize with Emet's horror at everything regressing to this relatively barbaric fantasy setting.

somepartsareme
Mar 10, 2012

Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place
So Final Trial spoilers: Does anyone else feel like the way we got rid of the light was kind of an rear end pull? You can argue Arbert had to sacrifice himself for it to work completely, but the man who was scheming the entire time for us to turn into a Lightwarden then deciding to unleash enough darkness on us that we were able to safely vent all that light in order to defeat him feels just a little cheap, or at least not well thought out by Emet-Selch.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



somepartsareme posted:

So Final Trial spoilers: Does anyone else feel like the way we got rid of the light was kind of an rear end pull? You can argue Arbert had to sacrifice himself for it to work completely, but the man who was scheming the entire time for us to turn into a Lightwarden then deciding to unleash enough darkness on us that we were able to safely vent all that light in order to defeat him feels just a little cheap, or at least not well thought out by Emet-Selch.

It's explicitly stated by Emet that the Light that wins out over his quicktime event is not from the Lightwardens; it's just your blessing. You were able to contain and subsume the Lightwarden's power because Ardbert - a fragment of your soul that was torn away during the Sundering - rejoined with you, thus strengthening your soul enough for you to not be overwhelmed by the Light anymore.

Lemon King
Oct 4, 2009

im nt posting wif a mark on my head

If anyone remembers my ingame shenanigans from 2 years ago with the Character Creator. There still are some relics around.

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

Vermain posted:

It's explicitly stated by Emet that the Light that wins out over his quicktime event is not from the Lightwardens; it's just your blessing. You were able to contain and subsume the Lightwarden's power because Ardbert - a fragment of your soul that was torn away during the Sundering - rejoined with you, thus strengthening your soul enough for you to not be overwhelmed by the Light anymore.

In addition, Emet-Selch specifically hinted at this by expressing disappointment earlier that your soul wasn't strong enough to contain the light you absorbed. Suggesting that if you were closer to his ideal of a person, you should be able to handle it. Ardbert rejoining with us brings us closer to being an "ascian".

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


Alder posted:

I feel like there's a huge plot hole for players who didn't clear Crystal Tower

this is what I want to know. as I understand it that quest series is not required for the MSQ, so what, if anything, changes for those who haven't done it? for example, (level 79) after finishing off Innocence, when g'raha is trying to take your light juice and dump it/himself in the rift, you have an option to call out his true name. but presumably the WoL would have zero clue if they hadn't finished the three crystal tower raids. does that option not appear?

besides, (post-msq dungeon) there's also the issue that g'raha has to actually be sleeping in the crystal tower for the ironworks guys to wake him up and start on their project. (I think that's how it went but I may be misremembering the exact order of events.)

of course, g'raha explicitly acknowledges that if you did indeed stop the eighth umbral calamity, by back to the future rules he shouldn't be around anymore. and it's probably valid to handwave much of this as "you would've done it eventually."
presumably these plot threads will be pulled on in 5.x.

Nodosaur
Dec 23, 2014

TooManyUzukis posted:

Excuse me if I don't take the criticisms of a person who thinks tesleen is the dead girlfriend trope very seriously. It reads like a crit 101 student reaching for last minute paper material. Like, I get it: I love Waypoint. But not everyone actually makes interesting or worthwhile points when trying to perform this kind of critique. Case in point!

You seem to be taking a statement that I described as “making light of” in the post you yourself quoted more seriously than I am, for one, so I’m not really sure what, if anything, I should take from your post.

(What the gently caress is Waypoint???)

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.



Ironslave posted:

I'm surprised nobody's made the connection between Amaurot and Atlantis, and even further than that to Blavatsky's theosophical idea of root races considering it posits the original inhabitants of the world were 12-foot-tall supermagic giants. Especially given how much the racist, fascist emperor was using that as his reasoning for all the horrible things he was doing.

Fun fact: Amaurot, its surroundings (Macarenses, Anchora) and Emet-Selch's best friend, Hythlodaeus are all from Thomas More's Utopia. I had the biggest, dumbest "I understood that reference" grin on my face during that entire portion.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I like how all the Armorer job quests (well, up until 70 at least, haven't done ShB ones) are like a neverending Goofus and Gallant sketch where Blanstyr is just constantly being a dumbass and loving things up. Also, the end of the SB Blacksmithing job quests was hilarious.

Regarding the general topic of FFXIV's gameplay as an MMO, my feeling is that WoW is actually a bit better with class/skill design (it manages to make the classes distinct despite having a core rotation that consists of dramatically fewer skills than FFXIV), but that FFXIV is better with encounter design (and the well-choreographed encounters are probably at least partially dependent on the skills being a bit less "dynamic" than many of their WoW equivalents).

Though none of this really factors into why I prefer FFXIV (that FFXIV has dramatically better setting/writing). I enjoy the way FFXIV encounters work, though I'll probably never be able to handle really high level stuff.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Is it just me or is the level 76 Scholar spell, Fey Blessing, really weak and a frankly pointless spell? I mean, yeah, technically it's better than not having it, but not by much.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Clarste posted:

Is it just me or is the level 76 Scholar spell, Fey Blessing, really weak and a frankly pointless spell? I mean, yeah, technically it's better than not having it, but not by much.

SCH's Achilles' heel is that their AoE healing has never been great. 350 potency's still pretty good for an oGCD heal.

Kongming
Aug 30, 2005

I was really enjoying the Ninja changes during the leveling experience but now that I'm level 80 I feel like I have to press twice as many buttons to do less damage than everyone else. Someone please tell me I'm doing something wrong.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Kongming posted:

I was really enjoying the Ninja changes during the leveling experience but now that I'm level 80 I feel like I have to press twice as many buttons to do less damage than everyone else. Someone please tell me I'm doing something wrong.

Ninjas do less damage because they make everyone else hit harder. It's their thing. They do have plenty of buttons to hit though.

Elblanco
May 26, 2008
I'm nee to the game and just got a warrior to 50 but cant decide what to main. I enjoy warrior but both dark knight and gun breaker seem fun. I've enjoyed tanking alot as well. I've gotten dk to 33 atm but feel like I should get warrior to 60 buy shadowbringers and then go gunsword poo poo up. Any suggestions to help me not be so indecisive?

Nodosaur
Dec 23, 2014

What I don't get about this "elemental imbalance in shard causes calamity in the Source" thing is... what does this mean about Bahamut? That was because of actual choices and actions undertaken by Garleans and Ascians, not something that happened in another dimension. Was that NOT an Umbral Calamity?

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Chernobyl Peace Prize
May 7, 2007

Or later, later's fine.
But now would be good.

Elblanco posted:

I'm nee to the game and just got a warrior to 50 but cant decide what to main. I enjoy warrior but both dark knight and gun breaker seem fun. I've enjoyed tanking alot as well. I've gotten dk to 33 atm but feel like I should get warrior to 60 buy shadowbringers and then go gunsword poo poo up. Any suggestions to help me not be so indecisive?
Slamming through on warrior if you're enjoying it isn't a bad idea, since every level you gain with it is a level that will eventually be faster on every other job. Also, since there's a lot of overlap in gearing (everything you get while leveling except your weapon, basically), you'll get a ton of mileage out of any WAR gear on your eventual DRK. And then when you get to 60, you'll have both the 60 WAR and the GNB unlocks already at 60, so from there you can flip a coin.

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