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The point is that buying a bus ticket shouldn't be a whole separate errand you have to go run before you ride the bus. Just let people pay upon entry like literally every other business ever, gently caress. I just don't waste my time with trimet's buses at this point, so I'm not sure where they're at in phasing out all the non-poo poo payment options but it's been Coming Soon™ since at least last summer.
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Maybe a sign at the bus stops warning "NO CASH", with a QR code for the app? Kinda like the stickers on the door of a business for VISA Mastercard etc. I can still see this being an issue for someone in the "lost all my poo poo, panhandled bus fare to get home OH WAIT YER hosed" I would like to see cash stay on, but not as primary payment. Incentivize with a discount for other methods? Cash fare $2, other (app/transitcard/etc) $1.85. Are the cards linked to anything? Or if you lose your card with $98.73 on it are you just turbofucked on your shoestring budget? I know you can also lose cash but there's no reason a card shouldn't be linked to email or something. Beach Bum fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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Beach Bum posted:Maybe a sign at the bus stops warning "NO CASH", with a QR code for the app? Kinda like the stickers on the door of a business for VISA Mastercard etc. I can't speak to trimet, but most systems will let you register your card and keep your balance.
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Jul 5, 2019 04:20
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In my experience, cards that have monthly passes are linked to your identity. The one I got in Madrid even had my photo on it! I got to negotiate the acquisition process in my broken-rear end Spanish, that was a good adventure.Javid posted:The point is that buying a bus ticket shouldn't be a whole separate errand you have to go run before you ride the bus. The point is that buying gas shouldn't be a whole separate errand you have to run before you drive your car. I mean, is any trivial amount of effort to do something ever acceptable to you? You can buy transit tickets at grocery stores, convenience stores, drug stores, stations with ticket machines, and occasionally outside special events where high transit use is expected. Is that really not enough?
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Jul 5, 2019 04:51
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Berlin has a neat setup where you buy a ticket that works for a period of time or a single ride, get it stamped with the time & location (if you have like a 72h ticket you only do this once), and just ride. Supposedly they have ticket inspectors and a €60 fine? e: in Tokyo you can do all the stored value transit card stuff on a modern iPhone, including refilling it, and just tap on turnstiles to enter and exit stations, and that's cool and convenient
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Cocoa Crispies posted:Berlin has a neat setup where you buy a ticket that works for a period of time or a single ride, get it stamped with the time & location (if you have like a 72h ticket you only do this once), and just ride. Supposedly they have ticket inspectors and a €60 fine? We have a system like this in Calgary too, you stick a paper ticket in a machine and it stamps the station and time. The problem is it's really loving easy to ride without a ticket, because enforcement is minimal. I don't have a problem with free transit, but I do have a problem with people who can afford it riding a fare-required system for free, especially when poor folks are more likely to be targeted for enforcement.
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You CAN link a trimet card to an account if you have a smartphone and the app and google/apple pay and etc, so actually poor people still get (definitely unintentionally, lol) hosed therePT6A posted:I mean, is any trivial amount of effort to do something ever acceptable to you? You can buy transit tickets at grocery stores, convenience stores, drug stores, stations with ticket machines, and occasionally outside special events where high transit use is expected. Is that really not enough? They're actively tearing out the existing, fully functional infrastructure people have been using for decades. You could use the app if you wanted to not deal with a physical pass, or buy one in a store, or throw a handful of quarters in the machine on literally every bus. There were a dozen options and everything worked just fine despite it. The concept of "get on bus, pay, ride" is not some new and impossible thing I'm demanding here. The new centralized payment system is worse in every possible way. There is no benefit for anyone except whatever consulting firm is milking the city for millions to build the thing. It's worth noting that Trimet has been sued and lost for unconstitutionally arresting people over literal pocket change amounts of money so the priorities here are pretty clear, lol
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PT6A posted:In my experience, cards that have monthly passes are linked to your identity. The one I got in Madrid even had my photo on it! I got to negotiate the acquisition process in my broken-rear end Spanish, that was a good adventure. But it's going backwards and making things more difficult for no benefit? In your analogy I'm asking you to give up your Tesla that's always charged up at home now you have to go somewhere special to put gas in your car every week.
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There are *some* small benefits to the environment etc. from not using paper tickets paid for in cash. But I agree that public transport should have varied payment options available, even if cash payments are disincentivised with a higher price. Hell, on my local light rail service you can buy a ticket with the driver as a last resort, even though it's way more expensive (not to mention the social cost of the death glares you get for slowing people down)
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There should be no payment options because mass transit should be publicly funded.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:There should be no payment options because mass transit should be publicly funded. why should my taxes pay for poors to ride the bus when i drive myself everywhere at my own cost and the bus gets in my way sometimes
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Jul 5, 2019 14:34
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Powershift posted:why should my taxes pay for poors to ride the bus when i drive myself everywhere at my own cost and the bus gets in my way sometimes Because otherwise we'll stuff you in a rocket and use you for manual labor on the moon.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Because otherwise we'll stuff you in a rocket and use you for manual labor on the moon. I've always wanted to go to space
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Because otherwise we'll stuff you in a rocket and use you for manual labor on the moon. Do i get astronaut ice cream? I love that poo poo
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Blue Footed Booby posted:There should be no payment options because mass transit should be publicly funded. Boomers and other car fetishists believe that every transportation system should turn a profit without staggeringly massive public investment, except for cars and airplanes.
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Jul 5, 2019 16:25
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Blue Footed Booby posted:There should be no payment options because mass transit should be publicly funded. We have to make sure people have some skin in the game by requiring fares for public transportation, or else they might make too many bus trips and relieve too much congestion Just like we need to have co-pays for doctor's visits. We don't want people using up all that healthcare and getting too healthy to the point where they need fewer hospitalizations and reduce overall healthcare utilization for our society
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Jul 5, 2019 16:36
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Devor posted:We have to make sure people have some skin in the game by requiring fares for public transportation, or else they might make too many bus trips and relieve too much congestion
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https://i.imgur.com/HvhkEqi.mp4 These are the people you share the river with.
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By the time you’re this confused I think you have problems that aren’t going to be mitigated by being able to park a few feet closer to the store. picupload
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I loving loathe cyclists in my city & drat near had one run into me that didn't look where she was going before barreling out of a near-blind side street. To set the scene: here's an aerial map of part of my apartment complex - red arrow is the dumbass cyclist, green arrow is me:  I'm driving in doing about 15mph since I know kids & cyclists routinely like to come out of nowhere or ride in the middle of the road like douchebags. All the parking stalls to the right of me (green) are all full, plus you can see the 2 shrubs next to them, blocking my view so I can't see around them. Bitch on her bicycle (red) comes hauling rear end out from the right as I'm right about at the 2nd stall from the shrubs, cuts super close & doesn't even look in my direction, I brake quick to avoid hitting her. The icing on the cake? She yells at me about doing the speed limit...after carelessly failing to look both directions before crossing the road. Had a car been coming the opposite direction, no doubt she'd have been loving flattened in the street, especially since I could see she was wearing headphones attached to what looked like a phone on an armband. Assholes like her give cyclists a bad rep all over - watch what the hell you're doing for gently caress's sake, have some consideration & common sense unless you wanna get scraped out of someone's undercarriage.
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Why's she gotta be a bitch tho?
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Do you hate all drivers in your city the same way you apparently hate all cyclists?
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:Do you hate all drivers in your city the same way you apparently hate all cyclists? Yes. Do you not?
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Everyone on the road is an rear end in a top hat, myself included. Everyone else is just an even bigger rear end in a top hat
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Jul 8, 2019 00:19
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Everyone going slower than me is an idiot, and everyone going faster is a maniac.
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Everyone that doesn't know I have places to go or people to see pisses me off.
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Astonishing Wang posted:Why's she gotta be a bitch tho? Primarily the whole "trying to blame me for her stupid gently caress up" part...instead of, y'know, admitting she screwed up & almost caused an accident by not paying attention. Bitch is probably the least offensive word I can use for someone like that with so little between their ears that they whistle in a stiff breeze.
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Speleothing posted:Living wages need to come back so that people can afford to replace their cars. Or maybe have more rigorous annual inspections like we do in Europe, where they check so that your car literally is not falling apart from rust, is spewing out absurd amounts of pollution or is a death trap. Edit: Regarding bus fares, here we have an app where you get a QR code on the display that you scan on the bus automatically. There are also NFC based cards which however are getting phased out at the moment. The future plan is to just let people pay with debit/credit cards directly on the bus. Our busses have been cash free for like 10 years now because they got robbed a lot back in the day (loving low rent rear end robbery btw, wow I got like 90 bucks in coins!!!!). Cached Money fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Vanagoon posted:Everyone going slower than me is an idiot, and everyone going faster is a maniac. gently caress that. Everyone going slower than me is definitely an idiot unless they have lane discipline that would make a German happy, but everyone going faster than me is a friendly rabbit. I have no idea why anyone would be just generally against someone wanting to go faster than them. As long as they're not being so reckless that you just know they're going to gently caress up traffic ahead, there really aren't any downsides to having someone in front of you finding the speed traps.
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Someone isn't familiar with their George Carlin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWPCE2tTLZQ
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The problem with public transit in most of America is the sprawl. It's nearly impossible to design a system that improves upon driving yourself for the majority of the population. My community has a bus system, one of the stops is right where I work which is less than 5 miles from my house. I choose to drive myself however, because riding the bus would require an extra hour of my time both ways. The sprawl creates a situation where either routes are too long or transfers too frequent to be practical. I'm sure my experience is not unique in suburban USA.
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PremiumSupport posted:The problem with public transit in most of America is the sprawl. It's nearly impossible to design a system that improves upon driving yourself for the majority of the population. This is where trains plus park and rides come in. Though a general densifying of America is a good long term plan. It doesn't even need to get rid of single family homes. Pre-WWII Chicago is a good example of density with single family.
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Vanagoon posted:Someone isn't familiar with their George Carlin Nah, I love Carlin, I've just seen that line used a lot in internet discussions about speed limits as a sarcastic way to say it's all subjective and nobody could ever be "right". Not really sure why I thought you were using it that way though.
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nm posted:This is where trains plus park and rides come in. And right out again once the NIMBY contingent hears about it. The county I live in did a study. Just a study - they didn't actually make any serious moves in implementing a county-wide (and beyond) light rail system. One community that would have seen less than a mile of long-idle rail siding repurposed for light rail immediately dug their heels in and threatened to litigate the county to a standstill if they moved to a planning phase. The project was shelved in the early 2000s and hasn't been revived since.
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nm posted:This is where trains plus park and rides come in. Park-n-ride is great when you have a proper city center and a good number of suburbs, but when your city (Fargo, ND) is more like a suburb to begin with, it doesn't work so well. It also doesn't address the real issue, which is people who can't or shouldn't be driving.
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PremiumSupport posted:Park-n-ride is great when you have a proper city center and a good number of suburbs, but when your city (Fargo, ND) is more like a suburb to begin with, it doesn't work so well. It also doesn't address the real issue, which is people who can't or shouldn't be driving. Basically it works like uberpool, but holds more people and is way cheaper.
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