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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Luckyellow posted:So I have to ask again, with ACA potentially being struck down by the court, does that mean almost all of the candidates who was promising Obamacare V.2 is now out of luck? Is the individual mandate the key part to make their plan constitutional? Who knows what excuse will be given? The law will be struck down in its entirety, and court packing will probably be necessary to get anything health-related to stick. "Constitutionality" doesn't really apply to anything in this fight anymore.
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"Surely SCOTUS won't strike this down because it wouldn't make sense" is about the flimsiest foundation to rest any belief on in 2019. I'm not trying to be a nothing matters guy here but we cannot rely on SCOTUS for anything, ever again, until the Court gets packed or the balance shifts somehow. gently caress, even when the Court rules against Trump he just signals his intent to ignore them and it doesn't result in any real consequences for the administration. We're super hosed.
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Midgetskydiver posted:"Surely SCOTUS won't strike this down because it wouldn't make sense" is about the flimsiest foundation to rest any belief on in 2019. I agree, which is why my belief is "if Roberts wants to strike it down regardless of whether the argument makes sense, why didn't he do it before when there were arguments that made no sense but were still better than this".
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Jul 10, 2019 20:46
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VitalSigns posted:I agree, which is why my belief is "if Roberts wants to strike it down regardless of whether the argument makes sense, why didn't he do it before when there were arguments that made no sense but were still better than this". You're staking your position solely on the intellectual integrity of John Roberts. Godspeed.
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Jul 10, 2019 20:49
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DARPA posted:The fact he said white people feeling uncomfortable voting for black candidates isn't racist. Oh Snapple! posted:That's not what he did. his postmortem on gillum and abrams losing was that they lost because of racism that makes white people hesitatant to vote for black people, but on the other hand the fact that both gillum and abrams nearly won after embracing him (gillum especially), despite the headwinds of racism, is evidence that racism can be beaten with a strong progressive agenda (similarly to how obama won a much higher share of white votes than hillary despite being black by having a much better campaign message than she did). since the media loathes nuance and always wants to stir up poo poo they ignored what he said and reported it as "bernie says dems must pander to racists" Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 20:53
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roberts's M.O. has been to guess what is the absolute limit he can go to before mainstream liberals begin openly questioning the integrity of the supreme court and then go right up to that limit. he correctly guessed that if he didnt kill obamacare himself but instead told the states they can kill obamacare, that anger would not be focused on him but instead on the republican state governments
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Jul 10, 2019 21:00
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Midgetskydiver posted:You're staking your position solely on the intellectual integrity of John Roberts. You're staking your position solely on illiteracy. My argument has nothing to do with Roberts' intellectual integrity. My position is that he already had multiple opportunities to do what you fear, and didn't do it, and there's no reason to expect he suddenly changed his mind for no reason. E: But to answer the original question about what the anti-M4A candidates will do in the event that I'm wrong and ACA is overturned. They will just say some fairydust bullshit about how we have to work across the aisle and come up with a constitutional version of ACA, they don't give a gently caress. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 21:02
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VitalSigns posted:You're staking your position solely on illiteracy. So, you are staking your position on John Roberts not changing. The structure, or as some might say, integrity of his beliefs.
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Jul 10, 2019 21:05
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Luckyellow posted:So I have to ask again, with ACA potentially being struck down by the court, does that mean almost all of the candidates who was promising Obamacare V.2 is now out of luck? Is the individual mandate the key part to make their plan constitutional? That's going to depend entirely on what exactly the Supreme Court ends up saying. And it's hard to reasonably predict what the court might say, given the utter clusterfuck that ACA-related court cases have become, as well as the fact that the current Court does whatever the gently caress they want and don't give a poo poo about even keeping their own rulings internally consistent. Even with the clear conservative majority, it's hard to guess exactly what they'll do or exactly what grounds they'll rule on.
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Jul 10, 2019 21:18
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Unoriginal Name posted:So, you are staking your position on John Roberts not changing. That's not what intellectual integrity means. Your argument is just equivocating on the word 'integrity'. And yes my position is that if he wanted to overturn ACA he would have done so by now, he obviously didn't uphold ACA over and over because of his intellectual integrity.
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https://twitter.com/nationalparke/status/1149023737645281287 https://twitter.com/TwinklingTania/status/1149035000261533697
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Jul 10, 2019 21:41
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Ytlaya posted:First they came for the rich centrist Harvard students, and I did not speak up, for I was not a rich centrist Harvard student. Didn’t she end up being a Republican who had pictures of her receiving some award from David Brooks?
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Lightning Knight posted:Didn’t she end up being a Republican who had pictures of her receiving some award from David Brooks? That's what centrists are
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Jul 10, 2019 21:52
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Lightning Knight posted:Didn’t she end up being a Republican who had pictures of her receiving some award from David Brooks? She was at least a founding member of the Harvard Centrist Society: quote:This dissatisfaction with partisan politics led Mealey, along with her two co-founders Sarah B. Gill ’21 and Samantha J. Frenkel-Popell ’21, to found the Harvard Undergraduate Centrist Society. The organization had its first introductory meeting last month. Terror Sweat posted:That's what centrists are
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Jul 10, 2019 21:54
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Ytlaya posted:I'm pretty sure they're referring to that one Harvard town hall Bernie did, where there was that one student who was literally part of the Harvard centrist society or something and people looked them up online. At worst, you can *maybe* claim that some random online people went too far, though even then it's not remotely Bernie's fault. christ I completely forgot about that Lightning Knight posted:Didn’t she end up being a Republican who had pictures of her receiving some award from David Brooks? Dunno but iirc that was one of the people who turned out to be from incredibly rich "my people
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Jul 10, 2019 22:00
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Lightning Knight posted:Didn’t she end up being a Republican who had pictures of her receiving some award from David Brooks? No even better, Mitch McConnell.
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Feldegast42 posted:No even better, Mitch McConnell. Definitely a potential coalition member, there.
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Jul 10, 2019 22:16
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Feldegast42 posted:No even better, Mitch McConnell. Ah, found it: https://twitter.com/Hezbolsonaro/status/1120942516025610241
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Jul 10, 2019 22:21
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Careful, last time someone posted that, half the thread had a meltdown about "how dare you doxx someone by finding an easily accessible photograph on their public social media account!?"
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Jul 11, 2019 00:08
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Oh my God Harris sucks so much. https://twitter.com/MarketWatch/status/1148718617011412994 In case anyone here hasn't heard, credit scores are incredibly loving racist and classist.
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Jul 11, 2019 00:12
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I think credit scores should take into account strength and skill
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Jul 11, 2019 00:19
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Calibanibal posted:I think credit scores should take into account strength and skill I think there aren't nearly enough charisma checks in our finance system.
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Jul 11, 2019 00:21
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credit score should just be a check on a giant d850 you get to roll this wouldnt fix any of the problems but everyone would have a good laugh
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Majorian posted:Oh my God Harris sucks so much. Aren't these things already part of your score? I know a few years ago a lack of rental/property ownership records was a ding on my score.
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Jul 11, 2019 00:34
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VitalSigns posted:You're staking your position solely on illiteracy. Roberts has infinitely more cover for lovely, partisan decisions than he did in 2012. Overturning ACA then would have been headline news for months. In 2019 it wouldn't even last a week, if that. ACA being destroyed was clearly Roberts's aim when he ruled that states could destroy it. Now he doesn't have to conceal his partisanship if he feels confident enough in his ability to avoid the spotlight.
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Gyges posted:Aren't these things already part of your score? I know a few years ago a lack of rental/property ownership records was a ding on my score. credit scores are computed however the company computing the scores feels like computing it she basically wants the credit score companies to include rent payments if they arent, with the idea that since poor people dont have credit cards or mortgages the credit score companies dont bother keeping a file on them so nobody wants to loan them money its a silly idea because the reason that poor people have bad or no credit scores is because they are poor, which is reflected by them not being able to get a mortgage, or having to carry credit card debt to live. having no money is going to also be reflected in someone's rent or utility bills Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jul 11, 2019 |
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Gyges posted:Aren't these things already part of your score? I know a few years ago a lack of rental/property ownership records was a ding on my score. consistently paying rent and utility bills generally does not help your score. missing a payment that gets sent to creditors destroys it however. it makes it harder for low income folks to build good credit as the things they commonly pay routinely do not help but can only hurt. having a mortage, credit card, car payment, student loans etc and paying down the balance does help your score.
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lol Legislation to amend the Fair Credit Reporting Act has already received bipartisan support. A bill introduced in 2017 by former House Representative Keith Ellison, a Democrat from Minnesota, that would require this additional data in credit scoring managed to pass the House of Representatives. The Senate version of that bill, which was authored by Senator Tim Scott, a Republican from South Carolina, attracted both Democratic and Republicans co-sponsors, though Harris was not among them.
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Jul 11, 2019 01:06
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Your credit score should be nationalized, not a service that you're charged for by one of three random organizations. Edit: Remember when Equifax had that massive data breach affecting like 150 million people?
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Jul 11, 2019 01:15
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Something I keep seeing in this thread is people (mainly harder left) who don't like Warren coming up with a billion excuses as to why they don't like her. Bro you can just say "she says capitalism is good and I disagree" you can just say that and leave it there! You don't need to come up with weird reasons otherwise! Just say that.
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Jul 11, 2019 01:20
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Grapplejack posted:Something I keep seeing in this thread is people (mainly harder left) who don't like Warren coming up with a billion excuses as to why they don't like her. Bro you can just say "she says capitalism is good and I disagree" you can just say that and leave it there! You don't need to come up with weird reasons otherwise! Just say that.  thats not actually why they dislike her
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Calibanibal posted:I think credit scores should take into account strength and skill  make it like American Gladiators
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Grapplejack posted:Something I keep seeing in this thread is people (mainly harder left) who don't like Warren coming up with a billion excuses as to why they don't like her. Bro you can just say "she says capitalism is good and I disagree" you can just say that and leave it there! You don't need to come up with weird reasons otherwise! Just say that. true but she is also numbers fuckstein made flesh
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Jul 11, 2019 01:22
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Grapplejack posted:Something I keep seeing in this thread is people (mainly harder left) who don't like Warren coming up with a billion excuses as to why they don't like her. Bro you can just say "she says capitalism is good and I disagree" you can just say that and leave it there! You don't need to come up with weird reasons otherwise! Just say that. Is there anyone in particular you're directing this towards? Because it seems to me that people have come up with lots of good reasons not to support her, including what you mentioned, her foreign policy, her flip-flopping on M4A, etc.
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Jul 11, 2019 01:22
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Grapplejack posted:Something I keep seeing in this thread is people (mainly harder left) who don't like Warren coming up with a billion excuses as to why they don't like her. Bro you can just say "she says capitalism is good and I disagree" you can just say that and leave it there! You don't need to come up with weird reasons otherwise! Just say that. Because last time we tried that we got told either: 1. Bernie can’t cure capitalism so it doesn’t matter if Warren loves it 2. Nuh uh and those quotes from her aren’t actually pro-capitalism at all 3. Please attack her on specifics not vague attacks on her personal ideology So sure, we can go around the circle again if you want.
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Jul 11, 2019 01:35
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More like Elizabeth BORE-en
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Grapplejack posted:Something I keep seeing in this thread is people (mainly harder left) who don't like Warren coming up with a billion excuses as to why they don't like her. Bro you can just say "she says capitalism is good and I disagree" you can just say that and leave it there! You don't need to come up with weird reasons otherwise! Just say that. I focus on the policy differences because I realize that "she says she likes capitalism" won't be remotely persuasive to people who support her (because they can just say "Bernie is also basically capitalist and just wants social democratic stuff").
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VitalSigns posted:You're staking your position solely on illiteracy. Agreed. He also has been rather good at predicting political fallout so far, and knows that killing the ACA would be a disaster for the GOP in the upcoming election.
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