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FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Comradephate posted:

if you want to try to keep things on topic, the fact that people have to rely on the kindness of strangers to get medical care in this country is pissing me off.

If America ever got UHC, gofundme would collapse.

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ptier
Jul 2, 2007

Back off man, I'm a scientist.
Pillbug

ratbert90 posted:

That's why I didn't post it. Also, I am terrible at social media so any of the shares came from my direct family. I am going to keep the campaign updated as he gets better though. The one silver lining is that modern reconstructive surgery is amazing. :unsmith:

So to keep it on topic:
Not pissing me off: Goons being amazing and modern medicine.

poo poo pissing me off:
It's 80F today without a cloud in the sky and I have to work.

It’s all good. Tossed in some shekels for the poor kid. Couldn’t even imagine waking up with that kind of damage as a youngster.


Thread content: let’s spend money on inventorying all of our assets because we don’t know where anything is. Also, let’s not try and change the procedures and policies that got us here to begin with.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
...it does nothing.
More proof that socialists hate honest businesses just trying to get by!

Back on topic: I'm presenting my boss with a project plan so that I can more easily track assignments and flag them as needing his input. Hopefully it'll keep him on (my) task--I'm mildly worried that if he were to leave, the successor would say, "What is it you actually do here?"

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

Comradephate posted:

There are at least two fairly easy things you can do.

First, you can just name the migration scripts consistently. 093.py instead of 093_some_irrelevant_bullshit.py. Then when the second group tries to merge 093.py they'll get a merge conflict and rename it.

Second, and more dramatically, you can require that the branch be up to date with master to be merge-able into master.

The first one we COULD do but we are required to add verbose names like that. That's the obvious solution since it would flag as a merge conflict, but it does add further complication to the migrations; it's actually best practices to try to be descriptive so you don't have to open every file to track down where a change was made, and so you can tell at a glance what was done. It's an improvement over the automated naming django poops out.

The second I already mentioned we can't. Given the too many cooks situation and how long our builds take (~25 min), that's just not feasible to require constant rebasing like that. Even if that were implemented, we would never get anything done, since in 25 minutes you're going to get something else merged in and have to start all over.

One thing we do desperately need to do is squash migrations, this poo poo is getting unwieldy. It shouldn't take a new hire a full day just to get our app running on their machine. We have a data scrubber thing that lets us sync a copy of the db down from a QA environment (with all PHI scrubbed out for obvious reasons), but that's not great if you absolutely have to rely on that. You should be able to just run these scripts in order and replicate the db and the data sync should just be a "nice to have" to shortcut setting up poo poo to test on.

But the real solution here is that the few people who are supposedly responsible for cross-team visibility and planning should do their loving jobs and at least warn us that we have potential collisions incoming (just link the tickets in JIRA at a minimum so you know to check the other ticket's status before you merge and you can rebase if you go second). Currently they're just scheduling a few meetings and randomly assigning work without any real thought, and yet somehow pulling down more money than the devs....

Comradephate
Feb 28, 2009

College Slice

BaronVonVaderham posted:

The first one we COULD do but we are required to add verbose names like that. That's the obvious solution since it would flag as a merge conflict, but it does add further complication to the migrations; it's actually best practices to try to be descriptive so you don't have to open every file to track down where a change was made, and so you can tell at a glance what was done. It's an improvement over the automated naming django poops out.


fair points made in the parts I snipped.

Just mandate that each migration have a module comment block, and write a script to scrape the module comments and write out a migration changelog. have the script run as a pre-commit hook to ensure that the changelog is always up to date. <2 hours of work to update the linter to mandate the comment block and write the changelog generator. Then if you want to know which migration did what, you just open one file, which seems reasonable to me?

I understand that the correct solution is for management to do their jobs, but you can't really force them to do that. You can, however, build tooling to make the problem less bad.

Comradephate fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Jul 11, 2019

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

Comradephate posted:

Just mandate that each migration have a module comment block, and write a script to scrape the module comments and write out a migration changelog. have the script run as a pre-commit hook to ensure that the changelog is always up to date. <2 hours of work to update the linter to mandate the comment block and write the changelog generator. Then if you want to know which migration did what, you just open one file, which seems reasonable to me?

I actually really like this, but slightly modified. We could institute a pre-commit hook that aggregates the migration leaves, similar to what the ORM is already doing when attempting the builds, and updates a log similar to package-lock.json for NPM. That way any PR that includes a migration would touch that file, and it would force a merge conflict any time two PRs with migrations are attempting to merge in sequentially regardless of naming conventions.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!
loving weirding me out right now: I have an interview at 2:30 so I'm researching the company to prepare. They do the exact same loving thing the company I interviewed with yesterday does :psyduck:

TheCog
Jul 30, 2012

I AM ZEPA AND I CLAIM THESE LANDS BY RIGHT OF CONQUEST

BaronVonVaderham posted:

loving weirding me out right now: I have an interview at 2:30 so I'm researching the company to prepare. They do the exact same loving thing the company I interviewed with yesterday does :psyduck:

Is it call center related? I poked around jobs recently and it felt like every third job was doing machine learning for call centers.

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

Is there some magic to getting Server 2016 to reboot when you want it to reboot? We have GPOs for 4 patch groups, for 1/2/3/4 am on Sundays. 2016 servers will all apply patches at that time, and a lot of them will reboot then too. But some just reboot whenever they feel like over the next day or so. We just had one yesterday (that was non-prod, which go on wednesday) that applied patches at 4am and rebooted at midnight.

We use WSUS, and we have GPOs with the following settings:

Allow Automatic Updates immediate installation - Enabled

Always automatically restart at the scheduled time - Enabled (15 minutes)

Configure Automatic Updates - Enabled;
4 - Auto download and schedule the install;
Install during automatic maintenance - Disabled;
Scheduled install day - 1 Every Sunday
time 1/2/3/4

Install updates for other Microsoft products - enabled



I'm pulling my hair out over this one. It seems so random--most times things rebooting on Sunday during the day is fine, most systems aren't really used on the weekends (and the ones that are we patch separately). It is something I'd like to figure out though as it makes no sense to me.

And all the stuff I've found in Google searches is about getting Server 2016 (or mostly Windows 10) to not ever reboot, because most people don't want to patch at all. We have the opposite problem, where we want it to patch/reboot but predictably

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

TheCog posted:

Is it call center related? I poked around jobs recently and it felt like every third job was doing machine learning for call centers.

Nope, two companies doing virtual code bootcamp class stuff (Udacity and Thinkful).

Pissing me off now: West Coast people assuming everyone is on Pacific time, even when I explicitly give my availability with time zone attached.

I feel like any time I am setting things up with companies in Eastern or especially Central, they ask to clarify a hundred times, but west coast just assume their time is the one true time.

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik

myron cope posted:

Is there some magic to getting Server 2016 to reboot when you want it to reboot?

Disable no auto-restart with logged on users.

Delay restart for scheduled installations - 1 minute.

Otherwise my GPO settings are identical to yours and I get consistent reboots.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





BaronVonVaderham posted:

Nope, two companies doing virtual code bootcamp class stuff (Udacity and Thinkful).

Pissing me off now: West Coast people assuming everyone is on Pacific time, even when I explicitly give my availability with time zone attached.

I feel like any time I am setting things up with companies in Eastern or especially Central, they ask to clarify a hundred times, but west coast just assume their time is the one true time.

My experience is the exact opposite, with the east-coasters scheduling 8am meetings that are 5am pacific.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

ConfusedUs posted:

My experience is the exact opposite, with the east-coasters scheduling 8am meetings that are 5am pacific.

Oh east-coasters are loving awful about scheduling the meetings, but they're well aware it's 5am for you and just don't care. West-coasters just assume their time is THE ONE TRUE TIMETM.

I think it's a heavily silicon valley mindset where they all assume every other person in the industry has followed the exact same life and career path they have and they're always emailing someone 3 blocks over, they can't seem to process their remote position being taken by someone in Florida.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

ConfusedUs posted:

My experience is the exact opposite, with the east-coasters scheduling 8am meetings that are 5am pacific.
This is my experience as well.

Also my experience with morning people. I'm expected to be considerate in not scheduling people for meetings at 3:00pm because they're gone for the day by then, but it's fine to schedule me for a meeting at 8am, two hours before my start time.

gently caress morning people.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?
I'd much rather work late from time to time and never have to worry about an early morning call that wasn't a true emergency than the other way around. An early wake up fucks up your day, where a late call is just a moderate annoyance.

As a night owl living in the Eastern time zone, operating on West Coast time sounds loving wonderful. If my boss' idea of "9-5" was really noon-8 I'd be a happy man.

Thanatosian posted:

gently caress morning people.
Also this. One of our important customers has gotten in the habit of starting their work day at 6:30 AM recently and I dread my on call nights because inevitably their building's unstable power has caused something to go wonky and they don't have internet or phones as a result, which qualifies as an emergency even though there's fuckall I can do about it other than tell them to reboot their modem/router and call the ISP if it doesn't get better. gently caress you, you shouldn't be in your office at that time, you should still be the gently caress in bed. The only customers I should be getting emergency calls from early in the morning are the nursing homes where a phone outage at 4 AM could legitimately be a life or death matter. (Ironically they never do, if they lose phones overnight none of the night crew give a single gently caress and we don't hear about it until the Administrator comes in the next morning).

wolrah fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jul 11, 2019

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

Thanatosian posted:

gently caress morning people.


wolrah posted:

As a night owl living in the Eastern time zone, operating on West Coast time sounds loving wonderful. If my boss' idea of "9-5" was really noon-8 I'd be a happy man.

:same:

For some loving reason everyone at my current company is a morning person and they all want to schedule poo poo at 8am. I miss the place I was at from 2015-2017, where the attitude was "show up for this one weekly meeting and if something else pops up that requires real-time communication, otherwise just answer your emails within 24 hours, post an update in Slack when you log on, and get your poo poo done on time, otherwise we don't give a gently caress if you're nocturnal or what."

The place I interviewed yesterday is like that, though, which is a huge point in their favor. My ideal day is split up, actually. Start around 11, go run some errands or hit the gym in the afternoon before Florida's daily mini hurricane, come back and work some more until dinner.

EDIT: The most obnoxious by far was Gordon Food Service (my only non-remote job in like 8 years). They bragged that they offer "flexible schedules"! That really meant "come in as early as you want", people showed up before 7am. They scheduled our daily standup for 8am sharp and this was not optional....which seems like the exact opposite of "flexible".

BaronVonVaderham fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jul 11, 2019

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Thanatosian posted:


gently caress morning people.

Agreed...

There are 3 of us that come into the office at 8AM.. We all get ribbed on a bit by the super early people, some of which come in at 5AM or earlier. They probably go to bed at 6PM. Yeah, gently caress that.

Weedle
May 31, 2006




I dream of 9-5. Working at a K-8 school means my workday is 7:30-4:00. loving barf.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Weedle posted:

I dream of 9-5. Working at a K-8 school means my workday is 7:30-4:00. loving barf.

Mines close... 8 to 5. But given that some of our stores open at 6:30AM, I often get "wake up" calls starting just after 6AM :mad:

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe
I have been asked by people working 9-5 with generous lunches if I'm 'cutting out early' when leaving at 4p after having been there since 5a.

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik
7-4 supremacy with a long lunch run. You beat the worst of rush hour traffic both ways.

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob

tactlessbastard posted:

I have been asked by people working 9-5 with generous lunches if I'm 'cutting out early' when leaving at 4p after having been there since 5a.

I also start very early and get the occasional comment. Yes, thank you, I am in fact going to leave work after only 10 hours, which I actually spent working, unlike you.

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

devmd01 posted:

Disable no auto-restart with logged on users.

Delay restart for scheduled installations - 1 minute.

Otherwise my GPO settings are identical to yours and I get consistent reboots.

Hm thanks for that. I will try adding the first one first and see if it does any better, just to only change one thing at a time to see what actually fixes it.

First of May
May 1, 2017
🎵 Bring your favorite lady, or at least your favorite lay! 🎵


I was told by a manager once that 9-5 didn't count as an 8 hour day.

PBS
Sep 21, 2015

First of May posted:

I was told by a manager once that 9-5 didn't count as an 8 hour day.

9to6 with a mandatory one hour lunch.

klosterdev
Oct 10, 2006

Na na na na na na na na Batman!

PBS posted:

9to6 with a mandatory one hour lunch.

Heard "nine to five" growing up in all sorts of media, was disappointing as heck to find out is another thing the Baby Boomers took away from us.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

stevewm posted:

Mines close... 8 to 5. But given that some of our stores open at 6:30AM, I often get "wake up" calls starting just after 6AM :mad:

This is what do not disturb-mode is for.

I try to do 0800-1600, but I've been so burned out the last few months that it'll often be 1000-1800 or similar. No one minds as long as poo poo gets done (for the most part).

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Pissing me off: a company no-showing on a phone interview. I guess at least it happened early on, could be worse. Now I know I don’t want the job if they can’t even make a phone call within a 30 minute timeframe.

Wizard of the Deep
Sep 25, 2005

Another productive workday

22 Eargesplitten posted:

Pissing me off: a company no-showing on a phone interview. I guess at least it happened early on, could be worse. Now I know I don’t want the job if they can’t even make a phone call within a 30 minute timeframe.

I had a recruiter do that to me last month. I was annoyed, until I found out her daughter was in the emergency room.

Then I got re-annoyed when ten minutes into the rescheduled call, she cut the interview short because the role needed significant storage experience, which is nowhere on my resume or LinkedIn profile. The LinkedIn profile that made them reach out to me in the first place.

BallerBallerDillz
Jun 11, 2009

Cock, Rules, Everything, Around, Me
Scratchmo
10-4:30. My job is most certainly not pissing me off.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

BallerBallerDillz posted:

10-4:30. My job is most certainly not pissing me off.
The loving dream.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

The best part of those early birds that end up working 10 hours every day are the same ones that endlessly bitch how they have no free time.

It's like they can't do the math to figure out where the failure is.

Comradephate
Feb 28, 2009

College Slice
I've been working from home a lot, which is basically just an instant refund of 2-4 hours of my day: an hour for commuting and at least an hour of useful working time recovered by not being distracted by loud, inconsiderate assholes having shoutversations near to my desk.

Also I can play final fantasy xiv while I'm waiting for tests to run.

Willfrey
Jul 20, 2007

Why don't the poors simply buy more money?
Fun Shoe
I work in a factory setting. I was given a company phone. I have a very specialized role and there are systems that gently caress up and can stop production unless I am able to either hotspot-remote in or get called in (I live <10 min away). 10+ minutes of downtime can be thousands of dollars lost. I don't mind, it is what I signed up for, the benefit is no more mandatory overtime and basically I make my own schedule.

I was going to keep two phones, but got talked into transfering ownership of my number and having the company just fit the bill for my phone. So yeah, free phone, but its technically company owned. They pay my bill, I am available in case issues crop up, avoiding costly downtime. A win-win, right?

Big IT and CEO shakeup happened, now they want to install really invasive spyware on my phone. They don't want "company secrets" getting out (lol there are none). I dont want randoms snooping (I send lots of dick pics) Everybody has to do it and it is creating a big row where nobody agreed to any of this, and HR memos out that the company phones are a courtesy and purely optional. Myself along with a few others are probably going to just hand out phones back, and extract ourselves from this 'on call' grey area. Naturally they are being big cunts about this and not letting us get our phone numbers back. For perspective, our CFO advised our head PCL/Electrician, who is a loving rockstar, to give his phone back and not worry about the plant.

Willfrey fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Jul 12, 2019

Happy Litterbox
Jan 2, 2010
Man, I dream of 9-5.

CurrentJob is 7:30-5, last job was 7-5 (most of the time 7-6 due to random phone calls coming in right when I want to leave). Thanks to huge mandatory unpaid breaks I have to do that much to get my 40h/week. Promised myself never doing a 40h job again, but I guess that is not gonna happen.

Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe
10-6 for me. I like it.

Last job was 8-5 but only 4 times per week. So I had 3 days off every week. I really miss this.
Having an extra day off per week is loving huuuuuuge.

Shut up Meg
Jan 8, 2019

You're safe here.

Willfrey posted:

Big IT and CEO shakeup happened, now they want to install really invasive spyware on my phone. They don't want "company secrets" getting out (lol there are none). I dont want randoms snooping (I send lots of dick pics) Everybody has to do it and it is creating a big row where nobody agreed to any of this, and HR memos out that the company phones are a courtesy and purely optional. Myself along with a few others are probably going to just hand out phones back, and extract ourselves from this 'on call' grey area. Naturally they are being big cunts about this and not letting us get our phone numbers back. For perspective, our CFO advised our head PCL/Electrician, who is a loving rockstar, to give his phone back and not worry about the plant.

Take this golden opportunity to highlight your importance to the company.

And get a new phone number: no one gives a shite about the actual number they are calling these days anyway. One mass text/email/messenger and every is updated anyway.

Ghostnuke
Sep 21, 2005

Throw this in a pot, add some broth, a potato? Baby you got a stew going!


devmd01 posted:

7-4 supremacy with a long lunch run. You beat the worst of rush hour traffic both ways.

my man. 7-4 is the best when the rest of the office doesn't start rolling in until 9. I throw the deuces at 4 and never look back.

Comradephate
Feb 28, 2009

College Slice

Shut up Meg posted:

Take this golden opportunity to highlight your importance to the company.

And get a new phone number: no one gives a shite about the actual number they are calling these days anyway. One mass text/email/messenger and every is updated anyway.

Strong this. My general policy is that if you want me to be reachable outside of working hours, you have to buy me a phone. I've made exceptions for places that provide a reasonable stipend to cover my phone bill, but that gets them pagerduty, not admin on my phone, nor am I giving them my phone number. If you need me, page me. if I'm on vacation, I'll delete the app.


re: new phone numbers: The main thing stopping me from replacing my number is that my dad refuses to learn new things. It has taken him probably two years to adapt to me changing my email address, I can't imagine how long a phone number change would take.

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Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



6:30a to 2:30/3:00 depending on if I work over lunch or not. I love it because I usually get at least 2 hours in the AM to myself to focus on whatever uninterrupted.

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