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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries? This poll is closed. |
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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Ogmius815 posted:So it seems like having a paid and unpaid program is probably the right solution then. Good thing that’s what Warren does! Why not pay everyone who labors for you
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Jul 12, 2019 21:23
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Workers should be . . . paid? Sounds radical
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Jul 12, 2019 21:24
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Workers should be . . . paid? Yeah but if they learn things while working for you
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Jul 12, 2019 21:26
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kidkissinger posted:Why not pay everyone who labors for you Those positions either would not exist at all, or there would be way fewer. Having both paid and unpaid programs allows you to maximize participation while not limiting participation to those who can afford not to be paid for a while.
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Jul 12, 2019 21:27
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Ogmius815 posted:Those positions either would not exist at all, or there would be way fewer. Having both paid and unpaid programs allows you to maximize participation while not limiting participation to those who can afford not to be paid for a while. Yeah I don't buy this at all and will continue to believe that if someone is doing work they should get paid. I also doubt it's as simple as "opting into" the program you want.
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Jul 12, 2019 21:30
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kidkissinger posted:Yeah but if they learn things while working for you I think I'm gonna stick with my "pay me" theory kidkissinger posted:I also doubt it's as simple as "opting into" the program you want. Look everyone opts into "pay me" and then they all get turned down and the ones who can't afford to stay are free to pursue other career options, such as not working somewhere else instead
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Jul 12, 2019 21:30
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Two things 1. These unpaid fellows generate no value. They're worthless 2. The Warren campaign can't afford to pay them (her Q2 numbers were dismal)
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Jul 12, 2019 21:38
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Typo posted:Cultures are products of material and historical circumstances, for instance: Russian culture only likes dictatorships because the lanyard capitalist mongols invaded them and launched a coup in kiev around 1250 or so against a democratically elected left-wing boyar government. Much like how America (which is pretty much the lanyard of the world) launched a coup in 2014 in Kiev which made Russian culture like dictators even more. You forgot the eight great powers launching a joint invasion of Revolutionary Russia with the goal of putting some other rear end in a top hat on the throne.
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Jul 12, 2019 21:40
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theblackw0lf posted:The Warren fellowship program sounds similar to the Obama fellowship program that was done during 2012. There you go again, trying to bring clarity to a thread that just sits on its haunches all the time, preparing to strike and annihilate any candidate that doesn't conform 99.99999999% to every single item on their own personal manifesto and declare them cancelled for all time. Go away with your nuance, logic, reasoning and facts. We're having a DISCUSSION in here.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 12, 2019 21:40
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I thought campaigns being staffed mostly by volunteers was pretty normal
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Jul 12, 2019 21:41
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Ogmius815 posted:Those positions either would not exist at all, or there would be way fewer. Having both paid and unpaid programs allows you to maximize participation while not limiting participation to those who can afford not to be paid for a while. the campaign isn't gonna waste time on training and managing people they don't need. they have those jobs because they need those jobs. and just like every other job in this country, if you work it, you should be paid. doing otherwise creates barriers to entry for the poor stop defending unpaid internships
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Jul 12, 2019 21:41
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If you actually look into this you discover something interesting -- the paid interns are all women and/or poc, while the unpaid fellows are all white... fellows. Context matters
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Jul 12, 2019 21:41
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The extreme nuance of not paying people who work for you.
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Jul 12, 2019 21:42
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theflyingorc posted:I thought campaigns being staffed mostly by volunteers was pretty normal yeah but that's bad
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Jul 12, 2019 21:42
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theflyingorc posted:I thought campaigns being staffed mostly by volunteers was pretty normal it is and it's a huge problem there's a lot of things that are pretty normal in the USA that should stop. payday loans for example
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Jul 12, 2019 21:43
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VH4Ever posted:There you go again, trying to bring clarity to a thread that just sits on its haunches all the time, preparing to strike and annihilate any candidate that doesn't conform 99.99999999% to every single item on their own personal manifesto and declare them cancelled for all time. Go away with your nuance, logic, reasoning and facts. We're having a DISCUSSION in here. Big surprise the nazi sympathizer is an advocate of unpaid labor.
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Jul 12, 2019 21:44
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Again -- how is Warren to pay all this staff? Her fundraising was, and is, abysmal. She turns her wallet inside out and all that emerges is a cartoony cricket skeleton
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Jul 12, 2019 21:44
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Office Pig posted:Big surprise the nazi sympathizer is an advocate of unpaid labor. Prove your accusation against me with facts and evidence. Right now.
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Jul 12, 2019 21:45
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Why can't those dumb lefties understand that renaming your unpaid internships to something else is super-nuanced and makes all the difference? And why can't they understand that Warren totally is the candidate who is best for the workers?
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Jul 12, 2019 21:48
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VH4Ever posted:Prove your accusation against me with facts and evidence. Right now. Come on, don’t tell me you aren’t proud of that valiant defense you made of poor Tucker Carlson and his poor Tucker door? It was impressive, I couldn’t think of a better performance for the man who helped push along our ongoing genocide, and you really showed all those antifa to boot. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 12, 2019 21:51
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While unpaid internships are lovely, if it is a volunteer position I can't get too mad about it. If they are in any way a core part of the campaign then just loving pay them. If they are just showing up because they want to help and can, then whatever.
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Jul 12, 2019 21:51
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How many hours do fellows work? Is it a few hours a week or is it more like a full time job? Just trying to see how it differs from an army of unpaid volunteers who, as far as I'm aware, every candidate has.
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Jul 12, 2019 21:51
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Office Pig posted:Come on, don’t tell me you aren’t proud of that valiant defense you made of poor Tucker Carlson and his poor Tucker door? It was impressive, I couldn’t think of a better performance for the man who helped push along our ongoing genocide, and you really showed all those antifa to boot. Yeah I'm not engaging with bad faith trolling like this. Turbo gently caress Carlson and his door. I was only defending unassociated kids which it turns out weren't even in the house. I didn't know that at the time, but again, why let facts stand in the way of a good burn? Better to engage in Trumpian tactics of outright fabrication and gaslighting. Truly you are a Great American. Blocked. rear end in a top hat. EDIT Says a lot that you can't even defend against the argument I actually made in the post you responded to. VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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Jul 12, 2019 21:56
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Speaking of trainings https://twitter.com/Zohreen/status/1149770921617416192 That's a lot
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Jul 12, 2019 21:59
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VH4Ever posted:
You didn't make an argument, you just barreled in flinging sick sarcasm and burns.
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Jul 12, 2019 22:01
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Oh Snapple! posted:You didn't make an argument, you just barreled in flinging sick sarcasm and burns. I did both. 
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Jul 12, 2019 22:07
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anybody doing work should be paid . Being paid in experience is so lame. Warren sucks so bad.
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Jul 12, 2019 22:08
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I wonder if Bernie pays everyone who performs work for his campaign 
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Jul 12, 2019 22:11
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VH4Ever posted:I did both. True, you did make an argument. A pretty anti-labor argument that I was honestly surprised to see coming from you I guess it just highlights the difference between people whose first choice is bernie and people whose first choice is warren
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Jul 12, 2019 22:13
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Ogmius815 posted:I wonder if Bernie pays everyone who performs work for his campaign Bernie’s campaign staff are unionized
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Jul 12, 2019 22:13
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The mental contortions that the libs go through to convince themselves that employment without pay is actually cool and good if the employer had a D next to their name are pretty sad to watch, not gonna lie.
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Jul 12, 2019 22:16
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Condiv posted:True, you did make an argument. A pretty anti-labor argument that I was honestly surprised to see coming from you OK. Anti-labor...acknowledging that volunteering to campaigns has literally been a thing as long as campaigns have existed. Right. Boy, you better not check who is and who isn't drawing a salary from within the ranks of Bernie's army, you might not like what you find based on what people ITT seem to think is going on! My actual argument, which you're helping prove correct, is this thread is full of a bunch of "No True Scotsman" pedants who are only interested in tearing literally everyone else down that isn't 110% onboard with whatever their unique, individual brand of politics is and sees anyplace not populated with actual clones of themselves as some pit of vipers full of potential blood enemies. Most of y'all are for Bernie, true, but I'm not sure most of you even see him as a real, flawed human being like anyone else anymore. Even when I supported Warren I ticked off a list of her admitted faults. I doubt half you Bernie stanning holier than thou motherfuckers ITT have that kind of objectivity within you to ever do the same. I've not seen it yet. Funny part is one off remark from Bernie and you'd cancel his rear end too.
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Jul 12, 2019 22:18
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Ogmius815 posted:I wonder if Bernie pays everyone who performs work for his campaign I see what you're doing here (trying to make Bernie look good by pointing out that his campaign is unionized and all interns are paid $20/hour) but Context Matters. Bernie fought tooth and nail against the union and he is famous for abusing staff
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Jul 12, 2019 22:18
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yes, there are many people who want to do political work but need money to eat. but what about those who want to do political work but can be self-sufficient on food and rent by getting money from their parents? shouldnt they get extra opportunities in exchange for the money they are saving the campaign?
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Jul 12, 2019 22:19
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Gravel's crew just texted me they need 1400 more new donors to qualify.
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Jul 12, 2019 22:21
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Ogmius815 posted:I wonder if Bernie pays everyone who performs work for his campaign Aren't they paid and unionized?
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Jul 12, 2019 22:21
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Kamala trying the 2016 Hillary approach, because that worked well https://twitter.com/daryongeronimo/status/1149668802390454275
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Jul 12, 2019 22:26
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All this union bullshit is so misleading -- the meat and bones of the Bernie campaign is his horde of unpaid "volunteers" -- who are forced to work at least 0 hours per work or risk getting fired. Essentially slave labor
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Jul 12, 2019 22:26
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VH4Ever posted:OK. Anti-labor...acknowledging that volunteering to campaigns has literally been a thing as long as campaigns have existed. Right. Boy, you better not check who is and who isn't drawing a salary from within the ranks of Bernie's army, you might not like what you find based on what people ITT seem to think is going on! first, it's not just me saying it's anti-labor, it's the campaign workers guild too: quote:“Volunteers are asked to do something, workers are told,” Renée Hagerty, an executive council member for the Campaign Workers Guild, said. “Everyone who’s performing work on a campaign should be paid.” second, I've mentioned this before, but just because unpaid internships have been a thing for a long long time, doesn't mean they're good or a proper thing to do third, i notice you keep trying to conflate people actually working for warren but not being paid with campaign volunteers. quote:Warren’s campaign features one joint application with three options: paid internship, volunteer fellowship, or volunteer fellowship for academic credit. Applicants are allowed to select more than one when applying. this is not a volunteer. it's an unpaid internship by another name fourth, if you have something to say about the way bernie's campaign workers are being treated, please post it. don't beat around the bush and claim people wouldn't like another candidate based off of vague aspersions quote:My actual argument, which you're helping prove correct, is this thread is full of a bunch of "No True Scotsman" pedants who are only interested in tearing literally everyone else down that isn't 110% onboard with whatever their unique, individual brand of politics is and sees anyplace not populated with actual clones of themselves as some pit of vipers full of potential blood enemies. Most of y'all are for Bernie, true, but I'm not sure most of you even see him as a real, flawed human being like anyone else anymore. Even when I supported Warren I ticked off a list of her admitted faults. I doubt half you Bernie stanning holier than thou motherfuckers ITT have that kind of objectivity within you to ever do the same. I've not seen it yet. yes vh4ever, it's a thread for debating. not just which candidate is best, but what policies are good and bad. if you expect me to be happy about warren using unpaid interns, i'm sorry to disappoint you. quote:Funny part is one off remark from Bernie and you'd cancel his rear end too. i've heard this since 2015. it wasn't true then, it isn't true now. Condiv fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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Jul 12, 2019 22:28
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Access to internships. Access to police who won't murder you. Access to college. Access to free society. Access to healthcare. I just don't understand why so many people don't choose success!
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