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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Some of us watch the debates because we actually want to learn more about the candidates and make an informed decision on who to vote for based on objective criteria (crazy I know), so yeah, all these dipshit clowns like Gravel, Warren, Yang etc being on stage is actually a bad thing
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Calibanibal posted:Some of us watch the debates because we actually want to learn more about the candidates and make an informed decision on who to vote for based on objective criteria (crazy I know), so yeah, all these dipshit clowns like Gravel, Warren, Yang etc being on stage is actually a bad thing Everything you learn about a candidate from a debate is performative.
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Jul 13, 2019 01:57
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mcmagic posted:Everything you learn about a candidate from a debate is performative. See: Harris literally walking back every single thing she said in the debates in the time since.
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Jul 13, 2019 01:59
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Jul 13, 2019 01:59
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Oh well its just performative so let every clown put on their little show? I don't agree with that. That's just a waste of my time (I hate the circus)
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Ytlaya posted:I wouldn't, because I'm pretty sure she'd just end up doing things in the same way as usual. She's made comments on issues like Israel/Palestine that make me think, if actually in power, that she'd just listen to the advisors/etc. Her advisors would be the most dovish in the USA in the last 70 years, but also as gentiles take Kabbalah 1000% seriously and earnestly inadvertently start WW3 because of it. I know these people. I know Williamson's people like the Bedouin know sand.
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Jul 13, 2019 02:17
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theblackw0lf posted:Speaking of trainings as it happened crooked media and hbo had a crew on hand to film a documentary about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NT4C1F_HZE
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Jul 13, 2019 02:18
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mcmagic posted:Everything you learn about a candidate from a debate is performative. You are still responding to Diet Getfiscal in earnest. User loses posting privileges for six months of Forensic Psychiatry.
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Jul 13, 2019 02:19
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1149815916210925569 bernie!
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Pembroke Fuse posted:I think you're presenting the Bolsheviks as too passive an actor here. Menshiviks had a functioning majority-government in Georgia until the Bolsheviks kicked them out. The Bolsheviks also began dispersing and closing down "opposition" newspapers in 1918. They weren't really interested in a collaborative or multi-party left government. The Bolsheviks did an excellent job of seizing power and holding on to it through propaganda, policy, planning and violence (and set a good lesson for any revolutionary today)... but again, given that the peasants and their various parties composed about 80-90% of the population, their political/cultural will was hardly being represented. i.e. I don't believe the RKP(b)'s success at taking and holding power is necessarily a one-to-one reflection of their execution of a "popular will" in a largely agrarian state that had rejected them during the elections. The big split with the Left SRs was the War itself, which was already lost, the only question is how much land they were going to lose (and I already talked about the right-SRs). How does one represent popular will in a country that already has already ceased to exist? If anything there was already a representative revolution, it collapsed on itself, and the October Revolution was one faction picking up the pieces. It gives an illustration of what a revolution takes in a society on the verge if not in the process of collapse. Either way, it is true the Bolsheviks only represented a portion of society, but at the same time, it becomes murkier when that society is already balkanizing in the first place. (In all honesty, the elections were a miscalculation in my opinion at least.) quote:I've reduced the functioning of the COMECON down a bit (it was more of an attempt to coerce Eastern Bloc states into replicating a limited Law of Comparative Advantage scenario), but ultimately its goal was to foster internal trade to reduce reliance on foreign goods imports (which always came at the cost of very limited supplies of Western currency), and in some cases to supply the USSR with the kinds of advanced industrial and commercial goods that it had struggled to make on its own. Fine, but that is pretty different than what you first said. Also, the Soviets never had a problem trading with the West, it is that for the most part they simply couldn't afford it. quote:The Great Depression may have severely affected export grain prices, but to argue that it had the same kind of negative impact on the USSR as it did on the US or Weimar Germany would be inaccurate, I think. Also, oil and other commodity prices were also affected btw. Arguably, it may have had greater repercussions since the crash phase collectivization and a greater push towards exportation was directly caused by the fall in prices and the resulting trade deficit. (Also, the turn toward autarky and the "unimpressive" results of the second five-year plan fed into much of the paranoia of the 1930s, and arguably is a prime reason for at least the initial stages of the great purge (before it becomes a complete free for all.) quote:In any case, I didn't deny that the USSR failed to compete with other economies, merely that the idea that the USSR failed because of external "economic sabotage" is not really historically accurate. Although that kind of analysis can potentially apply to pre-1961 East Germany and Cuba. Well, the issue of Saudis hiking production in the mid-1980s is a bit murky. The more FOIA CIA pdfs I see, the more it looks like it was at least considered as a strategy. quote:The SPD was dumb as poo poo (or liberal as poo poo, take your pick), but so was the KPD. Besides the strikes, members of the KPD contributed to the Nazi Beobachter newspaper, spread anti-SPD Nazi propaganda and fought the Eiserne Front/Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold in the streets. Ironically, the Rotfrontkämpferbund (KPD's militias) and the Eiserne Front collaborated in the streets against the Nazis more often than their respective leaders did in Parliament. But how much is that the results of consequences of fraught political enviroment or a true "Red-Brown" alliance? quote:I only whipped out this "I was born in Leningrad" poo poo as a response to the "I'm part Russian, stop this faux-outrage" accusation. Normally, I discuss the merits of history without ever bringing it up - because most of my experiences in the USSR are unrelated to general Soviet history or modern social conditions and standpoint theory doesn't apply here. It is more of a general statement, including not just in this thread. As for Russian/Soviet history, there was a thread but it was perhaps not "exciting enough" but I would like to see a better way to actually talk about Soviet history than it just being thrown into whatever political argument of the moment (it happens across the political spectrum). I don't think the Eastern Europe thread is an appropriate place either. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 13, 2019 02:29
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Gravel calling out war criminals to their face is worth more airtime than anything a loving liberal loser has to say.
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Jul 13, 2019 02:30
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Am I bad person for laughing at that buttigieg piece
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Jul 13, 2019 02:32
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Mantis42 posted:Gravel calling out war criminals to their face is worth more airtime than anything a loving liberal loser has to say. The good part is that they are all war criminals . Except Marianne and Yang. Gravel can chastise even Bernie
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Jul 13, 2019 02:33
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Mike Gravel has done infinitely more good for America than anyone on that stage.
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Jul 13, 2019 02:38
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kidkissinger posted:Am I bad person for laughing at that buttigieg piece i pretty much stopped after the first part where he mentions getting a piece rejected at the new yorker by will from chapo's dad for being a total nuthouse
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Jul 13, 2019 02:39
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russia doesn't have anything to do with the dnc primary or does it  (no it does not)
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VH4Ever posted:Dude I love how now the idea is "no, actually we need MORE than the 20 person shitshow we have now!!" because that's the only way Gravel gets in. Sure, 5% and above is worthwhile. But this is a clown car. You aren't going to tantrum me into seeing it any other way. Not when the current criteria lets the Crystal Lady and five redundant white guys get on stage. I love how people here always complain that all the no names are white men. Gillibrand is as much of a joke as them, Wayne Messam can't even get on the stage and Stacey Abrams wouldn't crack 2% or 3% and would have a lot less to say than the hype would have you expect.
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Jul 13, 2019 02:48
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Calibanibal posted:Some of us watch the debates because we actually want to learn more about the candidates and make an informed decision on who to vote for based on objective criteria (crazy I know), so yeah, all these dipshit clowns like Gravel, Warren, Yang etc being on stage is actually a bad thing Calibanicanceled
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Awful CompSloth posted:I love how people here always complain that all the no names are white men. Gillibrand is as much of a joke as them, Wayne Messam can't even get on the stage and Stacey Abrams wouldn't crack 2% or 3% and would have a lot less to say than the hype would have you expect. how could you forget the klobb
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Shear Modulus posted:how could you forget the klobb Definitely her too, and Tulsi. I guess them and Gillibrand are white men for all intents and purposes to this board.
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Jul 13, 2019 02:56
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They are all awful liberals , for all intents and purposes , regardless of race or sex. Except for Bernie and Gravel and Marianne.
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Jul 13, 2019 03:05
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Awful CompSloth posted:I love how people here always complain that all the no names are white men. Gillibrand is as much of a joke as them, Wayne Messam can't even get on the stage and Stacey Abrams wouldn't crack 2% or 3% and would have a lot less to say than the hype would have you expect. Gillibrand isn't a no-name. She has precisely one principle, that sex creeps are bad, and that was enough to render her a hated pariah in Ugly Hollywood. The undifferentiated flesh blob, the two Republicans who aren't Biden, and the twins are all mediocre white guys though.
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Jul 13, 2019 03:07
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This is a total lie https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/1149770643916951552?s=21 Every M4A Bill has a transition period where the ACA stays in place while the structure shifts to single payer
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Jul 13, 2019 03:09
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Just wanted to make sure people didn't miss this: https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_...wS&guccounter=2
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Jul 13, 2019 03:17
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theblackw0lf posted:This is a total lie Biden 2020: if you don’t vote for me, you or a loved one will die of cancer.
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Jul 13, 2019 03:23
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biden is pledging to either cure cancer or give it to everyone depending on how the primary goes
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Jul 13, 2019 03:36
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biden already promised to cure cancer if elected during one of his first campaign speeches
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Jul 13, 2019 03:41
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theblackw0lf posted:This is a total lie The only way to argue against M4A is to lie and fearmonger.
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Jul 13, 2019 03:54
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So Biden is now saying that Medicare for All will kill people.
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Jul 13, 2019 04:01
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I think Biden is promising to cure cancer within 6 months
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Jul 13, 2019 04:15
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he's gonna irradiate his balls like randy in south park and then put a bipartisan cancer researh funding "save joe!" deal in front of mitch mcconnell, who will tell him to gently caress off
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VH4Ever posted:Yeah see I was wondering about that. Good. The system worked, again. Now tell the Chapo teens to get the gently caress off my lawn. Trabisnikof posted:He doesn't think that, but clearly you've already made up your mind and any amount of proof otherwise will just be ignored by you. As shown by the post quoted above yours, he seems to be one of the people who has some derangement syndrome against "what they vaguely perceive to be 'dirtbag leftist' culture (and things associated with it)." There's no real rhyme or reason to it. They just really loving dislike that sort of thing. At its core it probably just stems from these people still having a lot of their perception of politics dictated by mainstream media, which leads them to perceive alt-media stuff like Chapo Trap House as somehow being bad and crude. Even if, on some level, they understand and accept left-wing values, they still view the candidates through the lens of their mainstream media portrayals. Willie Tomg posted:Her advisors would be the most dovish in the USA in the last 70 years, but also as gentiles take Kabbalah 1000% seriously and earnestly inadvertently start WW3 because of it. I know these people. I know Williamson's people like the Bedouin know sand. I certainly don't deny that she would be better than pretty much all the non-Bernie candidates, but I don't think she crosses the "anyone beyond this line is lovely" threshold.
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Jul 13, 2019 05:11
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https://twitter.com/MikeGravel/status/1149893631358246912 The teens are good
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Jul 13, 2019 05:14
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when biden promises to cure cancer but won't go with M4A
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Jul 13, 2019 05:18
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kidkissinger posted:Am I bad person for laughing at that buttigieg piece Yes. Ardennes posted:(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Owned.
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Jul 13, 2019 05:23
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@Berke Negri Don't pretend we don't know who you actually are.
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Jul 13, 2019 05:27
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I think there needs to be some context for the Warren thing. Remember, she comes fresh from Massachusetts politics, and the standard here is that to become a free volunteer on a political campaign you are expected to attend voluntary trainings by the DSC, and that those trainings are couple with a donation to the party. So really, letting her employees work for free is a step above the standard MA practice of asking them to pay for the privilege. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jul 13, 2019 |
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Jul 13, 2019 06:01
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mcmagic posted:Everything you learn about a candidate from a debate is performative. How do posters who’ve been around forever get Caliban’l’d?
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theblackw0lf posted:Speaking of trainings Hello muddah Hello fadduh
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