Animated Nerd posted:

Once you've worked somewhere with a strong union, you'll never want to be without one. I can't imagine going back to the conditions that I worked under at my non union gigs. The way that companies have turned them into a boogeyman is one of the most insidious things ever.

Len posted:

But Unions don't actually care about you the employee and just want to line their pockets. That's why (employer) has an Open Door policy so you can go in and discuss your problems directly with the people causing your problems it's a win/win!


And going back a bit I don't discuss my pay rate with most people, not because it's in the handbook as a Don't, but because most people I've worked with get mad at me instead of the management that signed the paperwork. It's not my fault I've been here 3 years and make 20 cents less than someone who has been there 6. But somehow it always becomes my fault.

Edit: also got to hear the bosses theory about minimum wage yesterday. According to him it was created as an entry level wage for teenagers to learn with and that if we lower it vs raising it the economy will bounce back.

My take is that he's wrong and the thing should provide a goddamn living wage and that even if they lower it all these companies are still going to replace employees with robots and computers because they're cheaper to fix, don't ask for time off, don't take breaks, and don't have emotional baggage.

Tashilicious posted:

It's a lie. The minimum wage was explicitly created to give a single person working full time the ability to survive.

Terror Sweat posted:

Just show them pictures of war crimes. I'm talking little kids blown to bits, people being burned alive. Just the sickest war pics there are, then tell them that they will see this every day and you will never get the smell of rotting corpses out of your memory

Tashilicious posted:

It's a lie. The minimum wage was explicitly created to give a single person working full time the ability to survive.

bike tory posted:

I'd love my job if it were only the 24hrs/week I'm meant to work but I end up doing 30-35hrs/week and it's killing me.

Shame Boy posted:

How does that make sense even in crazy corporate logic

"Ok so the people you're in charge of managing and making do the best job they can are all doing terrible, buuuut we already allocated money for the raises so I guess you can just have them"

cakesmith handyman posted:

Are they in or forming a union?

Mordor She Wrote posted:

the midwestern gas station kwik trip does this, basically each store gets an allotted raise budget and you're supposed to give people reviews accordingly, so the more good reviews, the lower the raise everyone gets to the point of being hilariously useless, but if you give bad reviews mostly and a couple good reviews you can get people more money, and if you save money I think you get a bonus as the manager.

Len posted:

But Unions don't actually care about you the employee and just want to line their pockets. That's why (employer) has an Open Door policy so you can go in and discuss your problems directly with the people causing your problems it's a win/win!


And going back a bit I don't discuss my pay rate with most people, not because it's in the handbook as a Don't, but because most people I've worked with get mad at me instead of the management that signed the paperwork. It's not my fault I've been here 3 years and make 20 cents less than someone who has been there 6. But somehow it always becomes my fault.

Edit: also got to hear the bosses theory about minimum wage yesterday. According to him it was created as an entry level wage for teenagers to learn with and that if we lower it vs raising it the economy will bounce back.

My take is that he's wrong and the thing should provide a goddamn living wage and that even if they lower it all these companies are still going to replace employees with robots and computers because they're cheaper to fix, don't ask for time off, don't take breaks, and don't have emotional baggage.

mandatory lesbian posted:

Even if it was true, why are teenagers worth less then adults anyway? Plenty of teens get jobs to help their family so I don't see why they should be considered worth less then someone else just bc of age

Not a Children posted:

In a lot of places it's legal to pay workers aged 14-17 less than minwage, so the "it's for kids" argument holds p much zero water

Not a Children posted:

In a lot of places it's legal to pay workers aged 14-17 less than minwage, so the "it's for kids" argument holds p much zero water

quote:

I feel like I can't keep blaming the '08 recession ten years later, but it really screwed up a lot of things and not everywhere has recovered from it.

T-man posted:

Honestly I like my job, and if I could do it for 10 hours a week, and maybe spend 10 hours a week picking turnips or fixing cars or whatever else breaks the routine for a while and spend the rest of my time relaxing and having fun I'd probably be in a much better place psychologically and so would basically everyone else on the planet. G'luck parecon people.

Eat This Glob posted:

honest to God, I could do my job in 10 hours. Three out of four hours i spend at the office are literally wasted but they insist i be here for 40 hours so

i just fired off an email asking to work remotely 60% of the time, so that wasted time should go down if approved.

Aidan_702 posted:

Moridin920 posted:

That notion of "save as early as possible because the compound interest really adds up and starting at 20 vs 30 vs 40 makes huuuuge differences" is true but comes with the corollary of if you can't start saving early then you'll forever be behind the ones who did. Meanwhile Millennials are now in their 20s and 30s with gently caress all assets or savings and yeah the 07/08 global economic meltdown is a major contributor to that.

Geshtal posted:

I'm only personally familiar with Illinois labor law, but assuming you're working in the US, most states would consider someone working 30-35 hours per week to be full time. If you're hired for part-time work and are treated as such (i.e., health benefits and such) while being made to do full-time work, your employer could very well be violating state statute. Especially if they are a "small business", under-reporting their full time equivalents might be an attempt to dodge FMLA and other worker protection requirements.

Subjunctive posted:

I guess they were really close to the line if saving 5 days of salary made the difference between profit and loss!

Thanatosian posted:

IANAAccountant, but my guess is they were using a method of accounting that counts future salary and benefits as a liability. So, getting rid of that liability increases shareholder equity in the immediate-term.

Coolness Averted posted:

I'd imagine it's a projections trick. "We were profitable even with the dead weight we just cut, so that means we'll be even more profitable next quarter!"

Powershift posted:

If you can work from 10 miles away you can work from 1000 miles away.

And by you, i mean your outsourced replacement.

Taintrunner posted:

Animated Nerd posted:

Once you've worked somewhere with a strong union, you'll never want to be without one. I can't imagine going back to the conditions that I worked under at my non union gigs. The way that companies have turned them into a boogeyman is one of the most insidious things ever.

Moridin920 posted:

It's almost like right wing ideology isn't coherent or based on evidence and instead is based on gut feels and saying whatever excuse/argument floats to mind at any given moment and then getting angry when rebuffed.


Yeah I mean I can cite you reams of numbers showing that millennials will literally always be hosed because of it and will basically never "do better" than our parents' generation (in aggregate obv).

That notion of "save as early as possible because the compound interest really adds up and starting at 20 vs 30 vs 40 makes huuuuge differences" is true but comes with the corollary of if you can't start saving early then you'll forever be behind the ones who did. Meanwhile Millennials are now in their 20s and 30s with gently caress all assets or savings and yeah the 07/08 global economic meltdown is a major contributor to that.

Shame Boy posted:

Here it is adjusted for inflation:



When it started it was the equivalent of just four dollars an hour in 2018 dollars

Taintrunner posted:

spankmeister posted:

Why is there a guy who dropped a bucket of ramen on his head there?

Screaming Idiot posted:

He looks like the result of Ron and Harry mucking up the Fusion Dance.

zxqv8 posted:

Apparently one's ability to succeed in the world is -in their minds- entirely separate from any external influence, so if we're failing it's just totally our fault.