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trapped mouse
May 25, 2008

by Azathoth

AnEdgelord posted:

I still don't understand how to get personal unions. I've got the royal marriage, the country has no heir and my prestige is maxed out. Am I just supposed to be sitting here waiting for the RNG to gift me the PU or is there something I'm actually supposed to be doing above and beyond the stuff I listed?

It's actually way more complicated than it seems. Someone made a big effort post about it on the official forums:

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/guide-to-royal-marriages-personal-unions-and-claim-throne.788829/

I prefer to watch videos though, here's a more clear video on the mechanic in my opinion. It's a two-parter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seW0FRZdts4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9-zX7JtoCg

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reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012
The most reliable way to get the same dynasty as someone else is to disinherit heirs until you have no heir but be in a war at the time your monarch actually kicks the bucket. Then YOU will get the dynasty of your most prestigious royal marriage and when they have no heir you can claim their throne.

appropriatemetaphor
Jan 26, 2006

AnEdgelord posted:

I still don't understand how to get personal unions. I've got the royal marriage, the country has no heir and my prestige is maxed out. Am I just supposed to be sitting here waiting for the RNG to gift me the PU or is there something I'm actually supposed to be doing above and beyond the stuff I listed?

Yeah I've gotten I think 1 PU in ~1000 hours.

TTBF
Sep 14, 2005



I got a PU on mega-Naples during a Prestor John run. After I converted them to Coptic they made a claim on Rome and a good time was had by all non-Catholics.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

appropriatemetaphor posted:

Yeah I've gotten I think 1 PU in ~1000 hours.

I've gotten quite a few, including a weird PU on Muscovy as Austria, literally 4 minutes after a marriage I did only because I had no heir and was maxing out on heir chance boosters.

But yeah, it feels weird that something that can so powerfulyl impact your run is something so random. Sure, it'd be cheesed to hell if it was a set mechanic, but still...

PS- On the other hand, I literally had the France PU brok twice in a row last night doing an England run. Game start, do the Maine war, PU...my poo poo kind dies and because France still hates me (I think) the union automatically breaks. After truce, I get them again in a freaking hellwar...my ruler dies, they break free once more. And then Burgundy declares war.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Wow, so paradox pushed the next major content update + expansion to next year. 2019 will mark the first year where there will be no major content additions made to EU4 at all. We'll at least get the 64-bit upgrade and some bugfixes after summer, thankfully. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-development-diary-2nd-of-july-2019.1196578/

Jake also teased a revamped mercenary system where it appears that you hire entire companies like in CK2 and Imperator.

Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jul 5, 2019

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Is EU4 supposed to be done, more or less, with this 2020 expansion? I'm happy to see changes to Catholicism, mercenaries, and estates, but it seems like future changes would require redesigning some pretty fundamental parts of the game.

trapped mouse
May 25, 2008

by Azathoth

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

Wow, so paradox pushed the next major content update + expansion to next year. 2019 will mark the first year where there will be no major content additions made to EU4 at all. We'll at least get the 64-bit upgrade and some bugfixes after summer, thankfully. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-development-diary-2nd-of-july-2019.1196578/

Jake also teased a revamped mercenary system where it appears that you hire entire companies like in CK2 and Imperator.

Awwww man. Well, I'd rather it come out finished. I finally did start playing in Europe again after trying to stay away from that region until the new patch.

Sephyr posted:

I've gotten quite a few, including a weird PU on Muscovy as Austria, literally 4 minutes after a marriage I did only because I had no heir and was maxing out on heir chance boosters.
On the other hand, I literally had the France PU brok twice in a row last night doing an England run. Game start, do the Maine war, PU...my poo poo kind dies and because France still hates me (I think) the union automatically breaks. After truce, I get them again in a freaking hellwar...my ruler dies, they break free once more. And then Burgundy declares war.

Speaking of which, I was inspired to try an England game for whatever reason, and I also had a run where I lost the PU with France once my ruler died. And then a coalition war fired. And the truce with France lasted longer than the casus belli to get them back again. That was a rocking rage quit.

By the way, in case you want a game where you have pretty much literally infinite money, England is the way to go. I think I have almost 100k in the bank right now, and I just got Imperialism.

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

Is EU4 supposed to be done, more or less, with this 2020 expansion? I'm happy to see changes to Catholicism, mercenaries, and estates, but it seems like future changes would require redesigning some pretty fundamental parts of the game.

I'd still like to see a few more regions get some love. North America, Sub-Saharan Africa, and possibly the South Pacific could all benefit from a similar treatment to what the Far East, Middle East and India got.

cool av
Mar 2, 2013

oddium posted:

i think i dev pushed okinawa and had maguinadano and tagloc. so like 60 dev?? i diplo annexed ashikaga in 1502 so the war must have been around 1480

very lucky situation but when you see a daimyo being crushed by ashikaga you gotta no cb and shoot your shot

I ended up with a lucky enforce-peace on hosokawa this time which got me a foothold in japan. now I'm the shogun and my expansion is limited only by diplo point generation, of all things...

Also never knew you could get the free amazing "mandate of heaven" CB on Ming just by bordering him (I think?) which essentially lets me take a free 100 WS of provinces every truce.

MaxieSatan
Oct 19, 2017

critical support for anarchists

cool av posted:

Also never knew you could get the free amazing "mandate of heaven" CB on Ming just by bordering him (I think?) which essentially lets me take a free 100 WS of provinces every truce.

IIRC if you actually hold the mandate you get permaclaims on all core Chinese provinces so it might be better to just take it and then wage wars to reunite China.

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.
yea but then you have the mandate, which might make you explode if you neighbor a big person

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

trapped mouse posted:

And the truce with France lasted longer than the casus belli to get them back again.
That sounds like EU4 alright.

cool av
Mar 2, 2013

The "take the mandate" CB is 50% WS / 0 diplo cost for *all* provinces. And I don't even intend to core them (rather give them to daimyos) so claims wouldn't do me any good at all really.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Why does "War against the World" exist as a thing? I guess the 5 years of seperatism ain't awful but I was kinda expecting to, you know, actually get the CB

Sage Grimm
Feb 18, 2013

Let's go explorin' little dude!
You need Diplo tech 23 because it's Imperialism painted over with the skull and crossbones.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



It should give you the CB as soon as you get the government type.

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.
that would be grossly overpowered but awesome

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Just had British civil war fire for me. Turning into a republic actually seems quite decent under Cromwell. Are there any hidden traps in that event?

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
As long as the disaster lasts you’ll get rebels in the non-English parts of the isles occasionally. Once you end the disaster there’s nothing else too exotic. He’ll die eventually and you’ll get to choose whether you want to stay republican or go back to monarchy.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Got bored of a billion rebels in my UK game and decided to try having a go at Japan for the first time.

I didn't pick Ashikaga so I'm just a daimyo. Managed to snag a fair bit of southern land and get a good army and fleet going. How do I become shogun, though? Do I just have to own Kyoto? Is there a specific CB or condition?

AnoHito
May 8, 2014

Sephyr posted:

Got bored of a billion rebels in my UK game and decided to try having a go at Japan for the first time.

I didn't pick Ashikaga so I'm just a daimyo. Managed to snag a fair bit of southern land and get a good army and fleet going. How do I become shogun, though? Do I just have to own Kyoto? Is there a specific CB or condition?

It's just taking Kyoto, yeah. You should have a "War for the Emperor" CB on the shogun for it.

After which, do NOT form Japan. Just remain the shogun and enjoy the mega vassal-swarm.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
I annexed one of my larger vassals. Started sailing to try and find american and maybe get some coloniers, but my plan of becoming a Ming tributary to eat Korea went to poo poo when Ming immediately picled me as a rival.

Contingency Plan
Nov 23, 2007

How do I project power into the Baltic as the Papal State? I no CB'd an Irish minor and vassalized them but found I couldn't actually diploannex them from being out of coring range. Meanwhile Teutonic and Livonian Order had been wiped out by Poland and Denmark respectively so rip my Holy Trinity run.

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

Contingency Plan posted:

How do I project power into the Baltic as the Papal State? I no CB'd an Irish minor and vassalized them but found I couldn't actually diploannex them from being out of coring range. Meanwhile Teutonic and Livonian Order had been wiped out by Poland and Denmark respectively so rip my Holy Trinity run.

The trick is you can use that vassal for coring range on any of their neighbors. With luck you'll even get someone declaring war on them during the course of your war and be able to use that instead of needing another No-CB.

Antifa Spacemarine
Jan 11, 2011

Tzeentch can suck it.

Terrible Opinions posted:

It should give you the CB as soon as you get the government type.

It should give you a Holy War equivalent for any non-pirate nations that share a sea zone.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Is it even possible to become a Ming tributary as a japanese daimyo/shogun?

I started another game, kept improving relations from the start, put a colony nearby to get closer, and still kept getting a 'strategic interests' malus.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
Ryukyu starts as a tributary!

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Too bad Ruyuku isn't a daimyo in 1444, though. The strategy I've seen is to get a toehold on Japan via no-CB war, then eat the 10 corruption to reform the government to daimyo.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

Too bad Ruyuku isn't a daimyo in 1444, though. The strategy I've seen is to get a toehold on Japan via no-CB war, then eat the 10 corruption to reform the government to daimyo.

If you're more willing to restart a few times than eat the stab hit, trying to guess which daimyo is going to get attacked by ashikaga first and getting relations up so you can enforce peace to get into the war works too. Then you just wait for Ashikaga to get real mad about the territory you took and attack you so you can make Ming do all the heavy lifting.

TTBF
Sep 14, 2005



How does having daimyo work with regard to the Chinese emperor's tributary requirements?

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

AnoHito posted:

It's just taking Kyoto, yeah. You should have a "War for the Emperor" CB on the shogun for it.

After which, do NOT form Japan. Just remain the shogun and enjoy the mega vassal-swarm.
They really, really should make it a decision to keep those mechanics when you form Japan.
"HEY PLAYA, ya wanna give up all your unique and interesting government mechanics after playing with them for only the first part of the game?"

Hell, it's even shorter if you start as the Daimyo, if you then form it, with the Japanese national ideas being somewhat inferior too, compared to many of them

Average Bear
Apr 4, 2010
Oda has great ideas.

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

yeah, just wish he could draw more than two kinds of women haha

Anno
May 10, 2017

I'm going to drown! For no reason at all!

I’m just starting my second game playing as Castille. After looking through everything I noticed that my heir is as bad as can be and disinherited him. It’s a lot of prestige but I feel like I’d rather have the MP that’ll come from the 3/3/2 heir I’ve since sired. Was that actually a bad idea? Is there some event or something that I could’ve used to get rid of him first?

Luckily I got a monthly prestige advisor to help burn off that malus a little sooner. I’m gearing up for my truce with Grenada to expire and I don’t think that penalties from my low prestige should hurt too much in the upcoming war.

Rynoto
Apr 27, 2009
It doesn't help that I'm fat as fuck, so my face shouldn't be shown off in the first place.
Burning prestige on booting heirs is the best use for it and you're about to get a bunch from the reconquista anyways. A+ choice

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
No kidding. I usually make him a general and throw him at rebels, and he died early in my last Castile run, but tossing him aside is pretty much mandatory.

The starting ruler is already poo poo. Two morons in a row might mean 80+ years of bad times, and it takes a small while until Castile becomes the cash-spewing powerhouse that can counter drooling monarchs by drowning them in +3/+4 advisors.

Anno
May 10, 2017

I'm going to drown! For no reason at all!

Thanks!

Now instead of progressing towards my war I’ve just been staring at this inscrutable trade map mode that I mostly ignored last time. After looking at the wiki it’s actually quite a bit less confusing than it appears in game, but I’m sureyou can still sit around with a spreadsheet for unlimited hours trying minmax the thing. I really love small numbers that slowly increase over time in games so I think I found my new porn.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Been having a pretty good time in an ironman run as France->Rev. France, where the aim was to mostly expand conservatively in Europe and not go that heavy on colonization, then go revolutionary and throw all caution to the wind. This essentially meant that I tried to stick to consolidating control over my home region and pick exploration but not expansion for some light colonization in America (I also chartered some trade companies in West Africa and India). I fought off two coalitions in the 16th century, and the league war didn't kick off until 1615 or so, and I mostly stayed opportunistically on the sidelines and attacked Castille for their possessions in the Netherlands. I had a pretty good Louis XIV facsimile in my own Louis XVII (5/4/6) who ruled for close to 50 years during a golden age where I reached 100 absolutism. Then when I embraced the enlightment in 1711 I went for the revolution, somewhat fittingly under a rather poor ruler who had the cruel trait and had no heir. I deliberately declared bankruptcy. I could have done it via loans as well, I had essentially built my country on debt, and was paying almost 60 ducats a month in interest (though I was still making lots of money despite that). I figured bankruptcy would pair pretty well with being the revolution target, because it would help offset the morale penalty and with the huge armies I could get, I would still be able to defend myself for the five year period if it came to it, and I'd also get to clear all those loans.

So revolution happened in 1714 and it's now 1757 and things have been going extremely well. The revolutionary war CB is extremely powerful, my armies are huge and with full prestige I have 10 land morale and I can essentially fight and crush large coalitions (better to attack them than wait to be declared war on, though I don't really think anyone's in a position to do that anymore). In the spirit of throwing caution to the wind I also cancelled all my alliances and guarantees (I had worked against any one power consolidating power in Italy and the Rhinelands by way of guarantees and warnings, worked pretty well actually, I also ended up with many small countries with a good opinion of me who were willing to transfer or steer trade, so it was actually pretty profitable) when I became the revolution target. I now have client states in Spain and Italy, and smaller unfinished ones in Germany (two of them, South German Federation and Rhine Confederation, will probably make a third one in the north and east, or make a march out of a good tag, sadly it appears Brandenburg's cores are gone). I also have Morocco, Greece and Mamluks as vassals. I just got done with a war against the Ottomans where they just collapsed like a rotten building, with my morale bonus (also I've got close to 100% professionalism) and excellent generals and other bonuses I could essentially take on twice my number of Ottoman troops attacking into difficult terrain and come out on top, except of course it was my "alliance" (just me and my subjects) who had twice the number of troops, I have about 400k troops at this moment (though a 500 regiment force limit), add to that about 150-200k subject troops, and they faced off against about 250k Ottomans. I "freed" Greece and fed all the Mamluk cores back to my vassalized Mamluk remnant.





e: Anyone have a suggestion for a name and tricolor flag for a north German client state if I can't find a good march candidate? North German Federation is a historical thing (though a Prussian-led organization and not a French sister republic) and might work with the Imperial German tricolor (though that's not really republican). Rhine Confderation uses schwartz-rot-senf, South German Confederation uses a tricolor based on something I found googling that term. On a side note Italian Republic of course just uses the Italian tricolor and Spanish Republic has the historical tricolor of Republican Spain.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jul 13, 2019

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Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Dang Timurids are a hard start. I guess if you're not going to lose vassals it's necessary to get in a long war with Ajam and then pick on other minors, until the initial 10 years runs out. But after I did that I got stuck because Transoxania wouldn't go loyal no matter what. It's really really nice to integrate Afghanistan, Transoxania, and Fars all at once there, to get a lot of your cores back and expand dramatically, but I haven't had luck with that part yet.

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