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The way I look at it is: nobody whose life is going well is out panhandling, "scammers" or not. My giving someone money is my affair, and how I feel about it is up to me. How they spend it is their business. I've done my best.
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Okay thanks, I gave her twenty bucks and she seemed appreciative (but reticent) so I'm hoping it did actually help someone in need. I honestly don't even care if they use it on booze and drugs, those are just an escape hatch for the hell world loving them, I just don't want to be conned by a dude who does this as his day job and returns to his McMansion or whatever afterwards.
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Jul 13, 2019 17:08
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The rich panhandler is a myth. Rich, useless layabouts are called landlords hth
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Jul 13, 2019 17:16
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Okay I'll throw money at them out of guilt, thanks!
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Jul 13, 2019 17:19
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Rigged Death Trap posted:The rich panhandler is a myth. See also farmers. Know through a cousin a insanely richer "rancher" who just ones a ranch and lives in a Denver's penthouse partying and whining online about salt of the earth bs
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Jul 13, 2019 17:21
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It doesn't matter if an individual panhandler is 'scamming' you or not. As long as there are systems, formal or informal, to help people, some people will take advantage. It's not a reason to not help people. What's the worst case, you helped someone who "didn't really need it"? Give when you can and don't when you can't, that's all.
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Jul 13, 2019 18:13
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when i lived in the dorms I’d always offer to give the panhandlers food because i had no cash but i did have a meal plan. they always turned me down on that offer 
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Jul 13, 2019 18:19
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Len posted:when i lived in the dorms I’d always offer to give the panhandlers food because i had no cash but i did have a meal plan. they always turned me down on that offer that’s interesting. it’s not uncommon to see people panhandling around Starbucks or Subway here, asking someone to buy them a thing. the few who are generally outside the grocery store near me also seem pretty happy with a prepared sandwich or box of granola bars or whatever too. I wonder what the difference is.
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Jul 13, 2019 18:48
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Accepting random offers of food from strangers - many of whom are hostile to panhandlers - is a big risk
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Jul 13, 2019 18:49
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Yes that scamming panhandler really pulled one off on me, taking an inconsequential amount on my end to spend on food or drinks or drugs or gas without me being able to morally judge exactly how they used it, totally living it up
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Jul 13, 2019 18:53
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Enfys posted:Accepting random offers of food from strangers - many of whom are hostile to panhandlers - is a big risk yeah, in a society that literally poisons unused food to spite the homeless i would say a little suspicion is warrented
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Jul 13, 2019 18:54
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It’s like listening to the same people who whine about panhandlers whining about somebody using a social program while having the keys to a 15 yo used luxury car that only fools their peer group and is a total money pit
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Jul 13, 2019 18:56
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The other week at the drive through someone asked me if I'd buy them a burger so I got them a western double bacon cheeseburg.
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Jul 13, 2019 18:56
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best pan handler i ever encountered was in montreal and he told me where i could drink cheap when iasked if he knew a place. best $10 i spent all night
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Jul 13, 2019 18:57
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Did you know that lady using an ebt the other day was driving a 1996 BMW 318ti with fully oxidized paint, a total scamming welfare queen!
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Jul 13, 2019 18:59
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My city has had a crusade against rooming houses for the past decade or so and the current government also lowered the welfare payouts slightly and for some crazy reason there's more panhandlers than ever.
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Jul 13, 2019 19:47
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give people money if you can
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Jul 13, 2019 19:59
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lancemantis posted:Yes that scamming panhandler really pulled one off on me, taking an inconsequential amount on my end to spend on food or drinks or drugs or gas without me being able to morally judge exactly how they used it, totally living it up Nah wasn't worried about that, I honestly have zero problem using money like that on drugs or alcohol, they're a product of a hosed up system regardless. I just hear the (presumably right-wing) tales of people making a billion dollars a day doing this as their dayjob. But the point about there always being scammers taking advantage of things was helpful, I hadn't considered that's true everywhere (I'm extra cautious similarly about charitable contributions). I know I'm getting the guillotine when the time comes, I'm just trying to figure out good ways of helping people since I can. Which is why it's easier to give a goon who lost his job a few hundred bucks because I "trust" him compared to some random panhandler I see in the same spot for years on end.
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Jul 13, 2019 20:18
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i dont really give people money often but I make $1200 a month so I have an excuse. i do frequently bum them cigarettes and if they ask me at work I'll give them a mess up pizza if its laying around. gave a chick half my lunch pizza once
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Jul 13, 2019 20:18
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Enfys posted:Accepting random offers of food from strangers - many of whom are hostile to panhandlers - is a big risk that’s a good point. I usually give stuff still in the store package, when I don’t have cash, but I hadn’t thought of that aspect why are people bad
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Jul 13, 2019 20:27
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500 good dogs posted:Nah wasn't worried about that, I honestly have zero problem using money like that on drugs or alcohol, they're a product of a hosed up system regardless. I just hear the (presumably right-wing) tales of people making a billion dollars a day doing this as their dayjob. anyone who tells you that "oh they're secretly rich" poo poo you reply "if it's so lucrative then why do you work for a living, gently caress face?"
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Jul 13, 2019 20:44
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Nah I just see that poo poo online, I don't generally go places (e.g. family events) where there are chuds, and all of my friends and coworkers are at least AOC-fans in term of left-leanings. Speaking of which, Mike Gravel just reached his donation count minimum for the debates so that'll be a thing.
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Jul 13, 2019 20:50
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Even if they're getting high on it, they probably need to get right more than I need $2 in my pocket.
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Jul 13, 2019 21:15
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Larry Parrish posted:i dont really give people money often but I make $1200 a month so I have an excuse. i do frequently bum them cigarettes and if they ask me at work I'll give them a mess up pizza if its laying around. gave a chick half my lunch pizza once that is very kind
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Jul 13, 2019 21:26
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Peanut President posted:anyone who tells you that "oh they're secretly rich" poo poo you reply "if it's so lucrative then why do you work for a living, gently caress face?" "I have my pride" is the universal response.
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Jul 13, 2019 22:14
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Renaissance Robot posted:"I have my pride" is the universal response. hmm that's a tough one how about "you're about to have my foot in your rear end"
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Jul 13, 2019 22:34
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loving lmao if you have pride
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Jul 13, 2019 22:39
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Renaissance Robot posted:"I have my pride" is the universal response. That’s not very capitalist of you
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Jul 13, 2019 23:07
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Jul 13, 2019 23:10
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Animated Nerd posted:Once you've worked somewhere with a strong union, you'll never want to be without one. I can't imagine going back to the conditions that I worked under at my non union gigs. The way that companies have turned them into a boogeyman is one of the most insidious things ever. I can't stress this enough .
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Jul 13, 2019 23:15
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I used to struggle with this a lot since my family raised me on that belief. Always said venomous things whenever they saw homeless or very poor people. It's conditioning, man. Gotta break out of it. If someone is trying to scam me out of a small amount of money, then, gently caress, they're in a life position where it seems like a good choice. Honest or not, if they could do something more profitable they would. There literally physically isn't a way to get rich doing this, unless you happen upon some incongruously generous rich people. Imagine the sheer time it takes to get any real amount of money if they ask people for small amounts. Even if everyone gave them something they'd likely still end up with less than a minimum wage for the amount of hours. Plus the outside conditions, and of course the fuckin' danger.
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Jul 13, 2019 23:18
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I think most leftists realize that if something is a good idea, like food stamps, the fact that a percentage of people will take undo advantage of it doesn't make it a bad idea. You understand that at a national level. Apply the same concept on a personal level.
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Jul 13, 2019 23:22
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Subjunctive posted:that’s a good point. I usually give stuff still in the store package, when I don’t have cash, but I hadn’t thought of that aspect Because humanity is a blight. I'm not sure if it's true or not but the rumor growing up was the chief of police put antifreeze out for stray cats to drink.
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Jul 13, 2019 23:31
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQeGBHxIyHw
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Mention "living wage" and we will alert every level of the company to crush you. This is in worker's best interest. I am so loving angry right now.
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Jul 14, 2019 09:13
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I absolutely detest the use of the word "associate". It's such a dehumanizing way of referring to your workers. It's like a dogwhistle for worker oppression.
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Former panhandler here, just wanted to chime in. I’ve had a lot of crappy jobs in my life and begging is still by far the most soul crushing. Mostly everyone looks through you like you’re a pan of glass, and a number of the ones who acknowledge you exist spew vitriol at you. You stop feeling like a person after a while. And if you’re doing it in a downtown area you'll make about a little less than minimum wage (you can make a lot more if you take a bus out to a shopping center in a wealthy suburb, but the clock is ticking until the cops show up). If you can’t afford to give someone a buck, try to at the very least make eye contact with them and a small “Sorry, can’t today.” It will remind folk they’re still connected to humanity.
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It's darkly comical how hard they try to be "it's all in the best interests of the workers and we're not anti union and you have the right to organize" but the poo poo they're saying is so vile it can't be phrased nicely. Some people are vulnerable to organizing! You have to look out for warning signs! It is critical to report them immediately!
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Jul 14, 2019 11:35
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Yeah, panhandling is ludicrously dangerous and demoralising. If someone's doing it, it's very unlikely to be out of choice.
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spankmeister posted:I absolutely detest the use of the word "associate". It's such a dehumanizing way of referring to your workers. It's like a dogwhistle for worker oppression. I have a job title of senior associate and I’ve decided just now that I’m going to start saying it like I’m in the mob. it sounds a lot cooler if it sounds like you’re doing organized crime.
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