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Paul MaudDib posted:not really, I mean, 3.55 GHz at 78W sounds close to what Intel did on 14nm did like four years ago (not even modern 14+++ just the kind of thing a 5960X could have done). Back in the day when TDP actually meant a number that the chip would dissipate when boosting, not when everybody rated chips at baseclocks. Ah yes, the 12 core 5960X 80W under full load "Paul MaudDib" special
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Arzachel posted:Ah yes, the 12 core 5960X 80W under full load "Paul MaudDib" special yeah, I mean, the 5960X at 3.0 GHz was really probably only pulling about 60W. how much do you think a 4690K was pulling at stock? take that number and add 4%.  those were the days when intel would rate a chip to boost to full clocks (which were not very high, granted) at full avx load. You gotta add the fudge factor on pre-coffee lake chips, you're not actually measuring the same thing there.
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Avalanche posted:Built a new rig with a 3900x last night. The clock speeds are really interesting compared to review samples and I'm not exactly sure what's so special about my setup if anything. Do a run of geekbench and post a link to the result, I'd be curious to see the score and what it reports for clocks.
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Paul MaudDib posted:yeah, I mean, the 5960X at 3.0 GHz was really probably only pulling about 60W. how much do you think a 4690K was pulling at stock? take that number and add 4%. "Leerlauf" means idle e: not to be rude but this is the graph you were looking for:  cinebench is ~150W eames fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Jul 13, 2019 |
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eames posted:"Leerlauf" means idle lamo
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So has anyone figured out if the timings on 3600 memory matter at all? Because the only memory I can find in stock is cl18, cl16, or one 32gb kit of cl17, and nobody on any kind of budget can afford cl16
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NTRabbit posted:So has anyone figured out if the timings on 3600 memory matter at all? Because the only memory I can find in stock is cl18, cl16, or one 32gb kit of cl17, and nobody on any kind of budget can afford cl16 Timings matter but if you're on any kind of budget it's not really worth chasing 3600CL16 unless you buy Micron e-die and manually overclock. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/
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eames posted:"Leerlauf" means idle whoops, fair, wrong benchmark.  stock vs stock, we're still only talking 15W more than a 4790K though - outside the case. 152W complete system is 120W inside the case (after PSU efficiency loss) and you lose a couple watts to the motherboard/chipset/etc. It's really probably not far off 90W at stock. like any chip, Intel benefits heavily from clocking way down. And intel rated those clocks way down. And at full AVX in those days too. vvv fair, but let's not impugn the reputation of Haswell-E, at moderate clocks it at least matched any process GF could put out pre-7nm. That was the major point of my disagreement here. Stock vs stock, we're talking about 15W over the "completely normal" 4790K chip. For twice the cores. vvv Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Jul 13, 2019 |
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So what was the point of posting this? 3900x is a 12 core with a massive IPC lead and undervolted draws significantly less power. You can probably guess how much more efficient it is than your "Intel could totes do this years ago" example.
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Paul MaudDib posted:whoops, fair, wrong benchmark. It's Cinebench 11.5. Look at the Theoretische Tests header.
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Arzachel posted:It's Cinebench 11.5. Look at the Theoretische Tests header. I thought cinebench 11.5 was the preferred test of the AMD thread? (if you're going to compare the TDP of pre-AVX2 CPUs you probably don't want CB R20) vvv yeah, that's kind of the point  vvv
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Paul MaudDib posted:I thought cinebench 11.5 was the preferred test of the AMD thread? Cinebench 11.5 doesn't use AVX instructions 
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How low does one IQ get to go fanboying Intel by this point
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Palladium posted:How low does one IQ get to go fanboying Intel by this point according to rigorous third party tests, about 10% above AMD users 
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Palladium posted:How low does one IQ get to go fanboying Intel by this point I don't think Paul's a Intel fanboy, he just sometimes pulls a fishmech. I'm being a jerk and egging him on The Stilt has a cool chart on perf/W, where he underclocks and uses the built-in voltage curve.  quote:Some of you might notice that Matisse's power efficiency seems to peak at 3.5GHz, despite the fact that semiconductors do not behave like that. The reason behind this was revealed by Vmin testing, which clearly illustrated that Matisse lacks fused V/F (voltage-frequency) curve below 3.4GHz. This means that below 3.4GHz frequencies the voltage is always at the same level, it is at 3.4GHz. The stock (fused) V/F curve appears to be extremely well optimized as well, leaving only the temperature factor on the table.
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Ugh, I hate this uncertainty with BIOS and B450 boards. The idea of flashing with a USB stick gives me the heebie jeebies. I could save about £100 and be reassured that I'll have a computer that works by just getting a 2600 and a B450, but it's not like the 2600 will have much resale value. The X570s are so expensive though...Has anyone here bought one of the cheaper ones? I just want something that works reliably at stock and has decent sound.
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I’m obviously missing something here, why are we comparing the power draw of the AMD 12 core part versus a intel 8 core part and then deciding that the 12 core power draw isn’t impressive.
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Chas McGill posted:Ugh, I hate this uncertainty with BIOS and B450 boards. The idea of flashing with a USB stick gives me the heebie jeebies. I could save about £100 and be reassured that I'll have a computer that works by just getting a 2600 and a B450, but it's not like the 2600 will have much resale value. I'm genuinely confused by AMD's decision to release a new major CPU without any low or mid-tier mainboards to put it in.  I have no use for a X570 and shops want around 30€ to flash a B450. USB flashing it myself is not an option cause I need an ITX boards. So according to AMD I'm just supposed to wait till fall for them to release mid tier boards? Great company, great job
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B-Mac posted:I’m obviously missing something here, why are we comparing the power draw of the AMD 12 core part versus a intel 8 core part and then deciding that the 12 core power draw isn’t impressive. Paul is just making GBS threads up the thread as usual, pay him no mind. Chas McGill posted:The idea of flashing with a USB stick gives me the heebie jeebies. Chas McGill posted:The X570s are so expensive though...Has anyone here bought one of the cheaper ones? I just want something that works reliably at stock and has decent sound. Opferwurst posted:I'm genuinely confused by AMD's decision to release a new major CPU without any low or mid-tier mainboards to put it in. They really should've had B550 ready of course but mid/low tier options do indeed exist. Opferwurst posted:USB flashing it myself is not an option cause I need an ITX boards. So according to AMD I'm just supposed to wait till fall for them to release mid tier boards? Great company, great job PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jul 13, 2019 |
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Opferwurst posted:I'm genuinely confused by AMD's decision to release a new major CPU without any low or mid-tier mainboards to put it in. No, B550 is set for sometime 2020. If you don't have a friend with a Ryzen CPU to flash your board for a beer and you can't find any shops that will flash a board for free if you buy it from them then you'll just have to wait a couple weeks until pre-flashed B450/X470 boards are available
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Opferwurst posted:I'm genuinely confused by AMD's decision to release a new major CPU without any low or mid-tier mainboards to put it in. Order a 1600 or whatever from Amazon and send it back after you flashed your board. God bless the 14 day mandatory return period for online purchases.
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What's AMD's rush to serve budget buyers? I suspect they predicted their poo poo would be in demand and priced accordingly. If you don't want to pay a premium or risk using new hardware, wait a few months. Maybe buy a 9700k.
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The AMD Ryzen undersupply combined with the BIOS headaches is causing some people here in the DC/MD/VA region to go to Microcenter and... buy 9700k and 9900k processors and motherboards instead. Sounds like an AMD launch I guess.
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Anybody pick up a 5700? I would like to do some light gaming and the $350 mark seems decent.
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ratbert90 posted:Anybody pick up a 5700? I would like to do some light gaming and the $350 mark seems decent. Unless your doing your light gaming on a higher end monitor I'd get a 1600/ti. That said, only blower 5700s are out so I don't think anyone is buying them, but they should be solid once a proper version is out, if not overshadowed by their bigger sibling.
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ItBreathes posted:Unless your doing your light gaming on a higher end monitor I'd get a 1600/ti. That said, only blower 5700s are out so I don't think anyone is buying them, but they should be solid once a proper version is out, if not overshadowed by their bigger sibling. I have 4k monitors, and my gaming is done via a VM with GPU passthrough, and Nvidia is a pain in the rear end when it comes to GPU passthrough. But yeah, good idea on waiting for a bit.
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On the topic of pre-flashed B450/X470 boards, MSI's flat out releasing newer boards with a "MAX" suffix that support 3000 series Ryzen out of the box... The only changes from their original versions is the inclusion of a 32MB BIOS chip instead of 16MB. It turns out that supporting so many goddamned CPUs filled up their 16MB BIOS chip to the point where they had to cut back on features.. like RAID support, and a fancy graphical interface. I, too, won't be buying anything until I know the board I buy (preferably X470) will work with a 3000 series chip right away. I can wait.. Edit: if AMD had any sense, they'd make BIOS Flashback a REQUIRED feature of all future Ryzen boards HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jul 13, 2019 |
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necrobobsledder posted:The AMD Ryzen undersupply combined with the BIOS headaches is causing some people here in the DC/MD/VA region to go to Microcenter and... buy 9700k and 9900k processors and motherboards instead. Sounds like an AMD launch I guess. Truly a slap in the face of GAMERS everywhere.
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HalloKitty posted:Edit: if AMD had any sense, they'd make BIOS Flashback a REQUIRED feature of all future Ryzen boards I half expect AM5 to have either this or a more elegant solution. It shouldn't be that hard to engineer, say, a common bit of silicon in each version of AM5's consumer IO chipsets that can handle bios flashing. OTOH AMD gon AMD.
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K8.0 posted:I half expect AM5 to have either this or a more elegant solution. It shouldn't be that hard to engineer, say, a common bit of silicon in each version of AM5's consumer IO chipsets that can handle bios flashing. well they would have to actually be making a chipset and not repurposing their IO dies like X570
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Cygni posted:well they would have to actually be making a chipset and not repurposing their IO dies like X570 That would require an expensive new asic. Not worth it unless you're intel and can make the money back
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Gamers nexus doin a live LN 3900x thingamabox right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBCttTHFSwU
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BlackMK4 posted:I'd love to know why Frys isn't carrying these things Someone probably bought them out and now Frys sells essential oils.
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BlackMK4 posted:I'd love to know why Frys isn't carrying these things Maybe they'll carry some by the time everyone else gets their stock
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Looking like 5700's have lots of potential for OC'ing. Can't wait for custom cards next month. In the meanwhile I'm putting my build together later this evening. Using an RX580 from scavenged from my old computer.
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My 3700x + 450 Tomahawk build was a success, everything worked first try like a charm. The voltage of the CPU seems extremely high though, 1.5v almost with virtually no load. Seems like a common problem with the new Ryzens, hopefully a BIOS update can tone it down to a more normal level, be careful for anyone trying to OC depending on your board you may be unstable very quickly. I'm not going to touch the stock settings myself until MSI releases at least 1 future BIOS revision.
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Scorps posted:My 3700x + 450 Tomahawk build was a success, everything worked first try like a charm. The voltage of the CPU seems extremely high though, 1.5v almost with virtually no load. Awesome to hear it’s working for you. I had to pull my 3600 from my Asus b450and put the 2600X back in because the system was really wonky, sometimes it would work and sometimes it would poo poo it self. Im hoping another bios update will fix it. As for the voltage did you install the newest AMD chipset drivers from the AMD website and are you using the ryzen balanced plan? B-Mac fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jul 14, 2019 |
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