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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
This poll is closed.
Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
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yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

The bad thread sighed as it drew its katana. “Again I must remind you, Bernie is the compromise, that he is, and I will defend this weak half measure with all my sacred honor.”

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Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Who said positions of power

I can't get an entry level data entry job because I don't have a degree, despite a degree not actually being necessary

Stop reading "most" and assuming 'all" you twit

Here’s an interesting fact: “most” jobs do not require a degree! Congratulations this ideal world is actually the status quo! You’ve already won!

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crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

Ogmius815 posted:

Here’s an interesting fact: “most” jobs do not require a degree! Congratulations this ideal world is actually the status quo! You’ve already won!

No, you'll know when we have won, because your mcmansion will be on fire.

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Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

crazy cloud posted:

No, you'll know when we have won, because your mcmansion will be on fire.

Why burn a good source of housing down you anarchists . We can fit like 5 families in a mcmansion. The wood could also be repurposed for guillotines.

The revolution must make sure to reduce reuse and recycle the rich as much as possible.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Why burn a good source of housing down you anarchists . We can fit like 5 families in a mcmansion. The wood could also be repurposed for guillotines.

The revolution must make sure to reduce reuse and recycle the rich as much as possible.

correct, it'll be like the russian revolution where the peasants take over (Mc)Manor houses and we need to be enviromentally friendly to stop more climate change

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Why burn a good source of housing down you anarchists . We can fit like 5 families in a mcmansion. The wood could also be repurposed for guillotines.

The revolution must make sure to reduce reuse and recycle the rich as much as possible.

1) the symbolism is important to the cause of revolution and 2) job creation now the state can build public housing where the art deco monument to capitalism's crimes against human decency and dignity once stood

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Ogmius815 posted:

Here’s an interesting fact: “most” jobs do not require a degree! Congratulations this ideal world is actually the status quo! You’ve already won!

Most jobs do require at least some post-HS education. Only 36% of jobs are even open to accept applications from people with just a HS degree.

quote:

By educational attainment: 35 percent of the job openings will require at least a bachelor’s degree, 30 percent of the job openings will require some college or an associate’s degree and 36 percent of the job openings will not require education beyond high school.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/recovery-job-growth-and-education-requirements-through-2020/

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

crazy cloud posted:

2) job creation now the state can build public housing where the art deco monument to capitalism's crimes against human decency and dignity once stood

but if you leave the mcmansions up you get more labor/money to build guillotines and/or write more socialist literature

see you gotta think the revolution through

quote:

1) the symbolism is important to the cause of revolution
true, but I think we should restrict the destruction to symbolic levels as well then

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

Typo posted:

see you gotta think the revolution through
true, but I think we should restrict the destruction to symbolic levels as well then

that's fair. See? And the liberals complain that the left isn't agreeable to compromise.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

Trabisnikof posted:

Most jobs do require at least some post-HS education. Only 36% of jobs are even open to accept applications from people with just a HS degree.

So just a bit more than a third of jobs actually require a degree, and there are still way more non-degree jobs than jobs that are only for degree holders. Well more than a third of jobs are open to those who are only high school graduates.


So it’s obviously a ridiculous exaggeration to say that one must have a bachelor’s degree to get a job. There are vast numbers of jobs that do not require one, including a huge quantity of jobs that can be obtained with only a high school diploma.

MrFlibble
Nov 28, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Fallen Rib

yronic heroism posted:

The bad thread sighed as it drew its katana. “Again I must remind you, Bernie is the compromise, that he is, and I will defend this weak half measure with all my sacred honor.”

The centrist lifts its head from the boot and mewls "Bernie bad"

The wise person nods and says "and now you tell me who stands taller,"

The centrist bends back to its task and licks the boot harder "Bernie bad"

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Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
How about we just burn the turrets on the mcmansion for symbolism, and allow the main structure to remain intact for housing until public works can demolish and rebuild .

I'm pretty sure Warren has a plan for that, but we only burn the turrets that are approved by the local HOA over a ten year period.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

How about we just burn the turrets on the mcmansion for symbolism, and allow the main structure to remain intact for housing until public works can demolish and rebuild .

I'm pretty sure Warren has a plan for that, but we only burn the turrets that are approved by the local HOA over a ten year period.

this but unironically

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

How about we just burn the turrets on the mcmansion for symbolism, and allow the main structure to remain intact for housing until public works can demolish and rebuild .

I'm pretty sure Warren has a plan for that, but we only burn the turrets that are approved by the local HOA over a ten year period.

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Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

All of this of course dances around the real point, which is that you don’t think that a degree is a plus. Well, employers don’t agree with you. If you legislate away an employer’s ability to have that preference, you will only make hiring more arbitrary.

I understand you don’t really value education, hence, anti-intellectualism, like I said. Employers like education because it helps people see and understand nuance. You know what? I think I understand why leftists don’t see much use for it.

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

Ogmius815 posted:

All of this of course dances around the real point, which is that you don’t think that a degree is a plus. Well, employers don’t agree with you. If you legislate away an employer’s ability to have that preference, you will only make hiring more arbitrary.

I understand you don’t really value education, hence, anti-intellectualism, like I said. Employers like education because it helps people see and understand nuance. You know what? I think I understand why leftists don’t see much use for it.

lol

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

Luckily, positions of power are all occupied by white people with degrees

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

Ogmius815 posted:

Employers like education because it helps people see and understand nuance. You know what? I think I understand why leftists don’t see much use for it.

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy
the reason that up is down and false is true is nuance, which your pitiful, uneducated brain is too feeble to comprehend. grovel before your betters, things won't ever change


have I got it?

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

MrFlibble posted:

The centrist lifts its head from the boot and mewls "Bernie bad"

The wise person nods and says "and now you tell me who stands taller,"

The centrist bends back to its task and licks the boot harder "Bernie bad"

Nah Bernie’s an acceptable compromise candidate but unfortunately for him 80 percent of the primary electorate has a different preference.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Love to defend the idea that buying a degree from some lovely for-profit college should allow you to get jobs that you can’t get otherwise.

It’s about making sure you have the piece of paper, not the skills or experience.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Ogmius815 posted:

Here’s an interesting fact: “most” jobs do not require a degree! Congratulations this ideal world is actually the status quo! You’ve already won!

If you want to not starve without working sixty hours a week they do.

MrFlibble
Nov 28, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Fallen Rib

yronic heroism posted:

Nah Bernie’s an acceptable compromise candidate but unfortunately for him 80 percent of the primary electorate has a different preference.

Shame about the general electorate but as a noted philosopher once said

https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?lang=en

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
some of you are going to earn your goon educational degrees in cat jail

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Why burn a good source of housing down you anarchists . We can fit like 5 families in a mcmansion. The wood could also be repurposed for guillotines.

The revolution must make sure to reduce reuse and recycle the rich as much as possible.

those things are built like poo poo and not meant to last more than about 20 years

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Ogmius815 posted:

So just a bit more than a third of jobs actually require a degree, and there are still way more non-degree jobs than jobs that are only for degree holders. Well more than a third of jobs are open to those who are only high school graduates.


So it’s obviously a ridiculous exaggeration to say that one must have a bachelor’s degree to get a job. There are vast numbers of jobs that do not require one, including a huge quantity of jobs that can be obtained with only a high school diploma.

the post he's quoting literally says the opposite, that a bit more than a third of the jobs requires a HS degree, while something like 65% requires either bachelor's or college
this is the "intellectual" in him, I guess, just plain lying his rear end off whenever he can
stop replying and maybe he'll get bored and go away

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Trabisnikof posted:

Love to defend the idea that buying a degree from some lovely for-profit college should allow you to get jobs that you can’t get otherwise.

It’s about making sure you have the piece of paper, not the skills or experience.

really makes you wonder why we would spend money on producing worthless pieces of paper instead of skills and experiences

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Ogmius815 posted:

Yeah white people without college degrees are well known for their rational decision making and forward thinking attitudes. I think we should have more of them, and in positions of power too!

I like how you're completely ignoring the fact that PoC (well, black and hispanic Americans anyways) are less likely to have gone to college and that privileging degree-holding has the practical effect of just reinforcing the racial gap in employment outcomes.

These discussions are basically just as pointless as arguing with a Republican, because you already believe all your opinions are "common sense" and don't even need to be supported or justified in the first place. It's the main thing that drives support for Warren (and why that support mostly comes from more well-off college-educated whites) - her behavior is what your average upper-middle class white person (or people otherwise in that cultural sphere) associate with intelligence and competence, and that carries precedence over the actual details of her plans or background.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Ogmius815 posted:

All of this of course dances around the real point, which is that you don’t think that a degree is a plus. Well, employers don’t agree with you. If you legislate away an employer’s ability to have that preference, you will only make hiring more arbitrary.

I understand you don’t really value education, hence, anti-intellectualism, like I said. Employers like education because it helps people see and understand nuance. You know what? I think I understand why leftists don’t see much use for it.

hiring is already completely arbitrary my dude. if you don't hit the right buzzwords in your resume the programs HR departments use trash it without a human being ever laying eyes on it

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

Ogmius815 posted:

All of this of course dances around the real point, which is that you don’t think that a degree is a plus. Well, employers don’t agree with you. If you legislate away an employer’s ability to have that preference, you will only make hiring more arbitrary.

I understand you don’t really value education, hence, anti-intellectualism, like I said. Employers like education because it helps people see and understand nuance. You know what? I think I understand why leftists don’t see much use for it.

impressively insufferable posting imo, :hmmyes:

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

Ogmius815 posted:

All of this of course dances around the real point, which is that you don’t think that a degree is a plus. Well, employers don’t agree with you. If you legislate away an employer’s ability to have that preference, you will only make hiring more arbitrary.

I understand you don’t really value education, hence, anti-intellectualism, like I said. Employers like education because it helps people see and understand nuance. You know what? I think I understand why leftists don’t see much use for it.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

RuanGacho posted:

Okay my tax plan is we take 50% of all the money, as determined by whom has the most of it, if you're making less you dont ever pay taxes.

The IRS is now configured like the Kaiju monitoring center from Pacific Rim.

Also build giant robots to crush the rich

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

Ogmius getting dogpiled for speaking the hard truths. But I'm showing up in solidarity with them

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1150536720582152195

I hope that comes up in the next debate

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Beto takes one last stab at dominating the news cycle

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

Gripweed posted:

Beto takes one last stab at dominating the news cycle



:fork: this guy.

Frankly he’s been done for months. It’s just been even more clear since the debate.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

Beto standing on an auction stage

Its Coke
Oct 29, 2018
what if, instead of complaining about how college degree-holders are privileged, we make it so everyone with the desire and ability can go to college. maybe by making it free or something

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

Ytlaya posted:

I like how you're completely ignoring the fact that PoC (well, black and hispanic Americans anyways) are less likely to have gone to college and that privileging degree-holding has the practical effect of just reinforcing the racial gap in employment outcomes.

There’s a better solution to this problem than hiring under qualified non-grads though, and most companies are already using it: consider diversity as a plus in the hiring process.

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Its Coke
Oct 29, 2018
seems like if you're a leftist you should support a thing that overwhelmingly leaves people further left than they were when they started

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