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I enjoyed the Royal Rumble commerical where Orton just showed off all his skull tattoos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAFX_mJPga8
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Who are the best guys/best examples of matches with guys (or gals) who get really talkative during the actual matches? Either with their opponent, the crowd, or both. It's one the things I've always felt missing (or at least seemingly, pointedly de-emphasized) in WWE, to the point that the guys that do it really stand out. Kevin Owens is one of my favorites for this, as an example. Lance Archer's G1 this year so far has been really entertaining to me, and at least personally, that's a big reason why. It's just a real missing element of character building for me when it's absent.
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Jul 15, 2019 22:42
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Zack Gibson is good at this.
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Jul 16, 2019 01:03
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FakePoet posted:Who are the best guys/best examples of matches with guys (or gals) who get really talkative during the actual matches? Either with their opponent, the crowd, or both. It's one the things I've always felt missing (or at least seemingly, pointedly de-emphasized) in WWE, to the point that the guys that do it really stand out. MJF yelling at his partners (who he didn't care for) to "take notes" at Fight for the Fallen was great.
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Jul 16, 2019 01:47
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Halloween Jack posted:Sometimes a move just becomes associated with a wrestler so much that no one else can do it without calling that person's style to mind. Can anyone do a crossface chickenwing without being a sadistic heel? it always feels weird to see faces do camel clutches for this reason even when a heel who isn't, specifically, an evil foreigner heel does one it stands out to me
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Jul 16, 2019 02:56
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FakePoet posted:Who are the best guys/best examples of matches with guys (or gals) who get really talkative during the actual matches? Either with their opponent, the crowd, or both. It's one the things I've always felt missing (or at least seemingly, pointedly de-emphasized) in WWE, to the point that the guys that do it really stand out. Jay White does this a lot during the match and makes him even more hateable
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Jul 16, 2019 03:05
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Jay White does this a lot during the match and makes him even more hateable Hah, I love Jay White, and that's a big reason why. Omega is the same, though his is more like an anime narrating how bad-rear end he (thinks he) is while doing his moves.
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YOU CANNOT ESCAPE *proceeds to escape*
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TheCool69 posted:Any other good examples of someone established (not a jobber) clearly doing everything humanly possible to get their opponent over. And in the same time not trying to seem cool or keep their own heat. So basically being unselfish (so no Hogan/Warrior or HHH/Jericho) william regal had an amazing technical showcase on a European tour with daniel bryan after he lost in 18 seconds and made him look like a million bucks. undertaker losing the streak to brock followed by cena losing to brock both selflessly made him look like the strongest wrestler ever. bret hart vs mr perfect for the ic title when bret kicked out of the perfect plex.
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Jul 16, 2019 06:30
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Hogan/Brock A lot of guys on the list put over Brock selflessly that they never did before or since. Brock's just a once in a generation talent freak.
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Didn't Hogan try like hell to get his win back on Brock, but WWE was smart enough not to let Hogan anywhere near him?
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TheCool69 posted:Any other good examples of someone established (not a jobber) clearly doing everything humanly possible to get their opponent over. And in the same time not trying to seem cool or keep their own heat. So basically being unselfish (so no Hogan/Warrior or HHH/Jericho) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0tdDHSYJ7g
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Jul 16, 2019 08:45
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Undertaker won the match but he made Jeff Hardy look like a worldbeater in that ladder match. Rock put over Hurricane massively over the span of several weeks. The payoff for that was HHH destroying Hurricane.
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Q_res posted:Didn't Hogan try like hell to get his win back on Brock, but WWE was smart enough not to let Hogan anywhere near him? I believe he agreed to the clean loss on the expectation he would get to have his win back later. It was basically the flip side of that Hogan/HBK thing where it was supposed to be two matches with a win for each of them, which (from memory) became Hogan wanting a clean win in both, which then turned into a single match where HBK threw one of his old style tantrums and just turned the thing into a complete comedy match. Only in this case, they let Hogan think he'd be getting his win back but then just abandoned the feud once they'd gotten what they wanted from him.
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Jul 16, 2019 08:55
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Jerusalem posted:I believe he agreed to the clean loss on the expectation he would get to have his win back later. Hogan only wanted a clean win in both because HBK wanted to win the first one, and was bitching and moaning about it. Hogan isn't stupid when it comes to wrestling politics, so he knew if he did, Shawn wouldn't ever do the job in return. (All of this is according to Meltzer)
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Jul 16, 2019 10:15
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HBK was never 1/10 of the star Hogan was and Hogan had no reason to job to him
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jesus WEP posted:HBK was never 1/10 of the star Hogan was and Hogan had no reason to job to him Hogan was a draw, at least. HBK didn't draw poo poo when he was on top.
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Jul 16, 2019 10:55
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Yeah and this was in what, 2006? It’s not even like putting over the hot young thing in Lesnar. Putting another old dude over who’s not anywhere near as big of a star makes no sense
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jesus WEP posted:Yeah and this was in what, 2006? It’s not even like putting over the hot young thing in Lesnar. Putting another old dude over who’s not anywhere near as big of a star makes no sense It was even funnier since HBK had played politics basically forever, then he got schooled by the master. Edit: I think HBK's gimmick pre-original DX run was holding him back a bit. Dudes in the audience: "A male stripper... yay?" Edit 2: Remember when MSG turned on him for Sid, of all people? lol Randaconda fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Jul 16, 2019 |
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Jul 16, 2019 11:13
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Randaconda posted:It was even funnier since HBK had played politics basically forever, then he got schooled by the master. Shawn had basically gotten away forever with Vince siding with him over everybody else so it was kinda hilarious that he ran headfirst directly into The Great Orange Goblin.
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Okay so I was in some dark YouTube hole last night and it was another wrestling pop video. One of the entries was for “Say My Name” between Black and Velveteen Dream. What was the premise of this feud? It looks different from the usual wwe formula but I’ve seen little to nothing about it.
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Jul 16, 2019 11:41
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Oh it was so good, Velveteen Dream decided he wanted a shot at Black who just completely ignored him/considered him so completely inferior that it wasn't even worth learning/saying his name. Suffice to say that Dream freaked out about this lack of respect and became obsessed with proving Black wrong. When they finally fought they had a hell of a match which Black eventually won, but afterwards he finally deigned to acknowledge him and say his name and the crowd went loving nuts like Dream had just won the main event of Wrestlemania. It was so, so, so cool. I had hoped that Dream/Black might have actually played around with the idea of being a tag team in one of the Dusty Classics or something but nothing more ever really came of it. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Jul 16, 2019 |
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Jul 16, 2019 11:50
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They left money on the table by not having one of them get beat up by a dastardly tag team only for the other’s music to hit for the jesusest of jesus pops E: Black even went straight into a feud with Adam Cole! They had the perfect chance to do it
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Jul 16, 2019 11:51
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Randaconda posted:It was even funnier since HBK had played politics basically forever, then he got schooled by the master. you say that like sid wasnt beloved in ny. (he was.)
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Jul 16, 2019 11:54
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Puckish Rogue posted:Okay so I was in some dark YouTube hole last night and it was another wrestling pop video. One of the entries was for “Say My Name” between Black and Velveteen Dream. The premise was "How To Get Someone Over In Defeat 101"
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AkumaHokoru posted:you say that like sid wasnt beloved in ny. (he was.) I love Sid, tbh 
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TriffTshngo posted:The premise was "How To Get Someone Over In Defeat 101" Sami Zayn Becky Lynch Bayley Johnny Gargano Ember Moon Bianca Belair
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Jul 16, 2019 12:00
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Hey I didn’t say they’re best at giving you the big win, just at making you want it! 
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Jerusalem posted:Oh it was so good, Velveteen Dream decided he wanted a shot at Black who just completely ignored him/considered him so completely inferior that it wasn't even worth learning/saying his name. Suffice to say that Dream freaked out about this lack of respect and became obsessed with proving Black wrong. When they finally fought they had a hell of a match which Black eventually won, but afterwards he finally deigned to acknowledge him and say his name and the crowd went loving nuts like Dream had just won the main event of Wrestlemania. I figured it was semi-recent so didn’t ask if the feud led anywhere as Black got poached by Vince. Still, from what you guys have said they missed out big. TriffTshngo posted:The premise was "How To Get Someone Over In Defeat 101" Yeah that was part of the attraction. It cut in with Black on the microphone so it was clear he’d lost, by the massive pop was clearly for Dream getting recognised so I was really intrigued about the history. Cheers guys. I’ll see if I can find more of it because at the very least the match should be a banger judging from what reaction I’ve seen.
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I randomly watched the clip of Flair inducting Piper into the Hall of Fame and holy poo poo was it uncomfortable hearing him make constant references to sexually harassing and assaulting women, especially the Plane Ride from Hell where WWE actually had to financially settle with the flight attendants that complained about him. EDIT: poo poo, that wasn't a question. Um, who is the most disappointing second generation wrestler? I don't count someone like David Flair because it seems he was forced into it and he always would have rather been a police officer. Pope Corky the IX fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jul 16, 2019 |
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I randomly watched the clip of Flair inducting Piper into the Hall of Fame and holy poo poo was it uncomfortable hearing him make constant references to sexually harassing and assaulting women, especially the Plane Ride from Hell where WWE actually had to financially settle with the flight attendants that complained about him. Cody Hall? Curtis Axel?
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Jul 16, 2019 18:09
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I randomly watched the clip of Flair inducting Piper into the Hall of Fame and holy poo poo was it uncomfortable hearing him make constant references to sexually harassing and assaulting women, especially the Plane Ride from Hell where WWE actually had to financially settle with the flight attendants that complained about him. im always a little bummed out thinking about ricky steamboat's son richie, who had a couple of matches in really early nxt then had to retire due to injury. dude's only 32 today. ted dibiase jr. was far and away the least successful of wwe's "kids of guys you know" stable in the mid-00s. e: the right answer is cody hall actually. he's so unremarkable i even forgot he existed. i think tama tonga was roasting him on twitter saying something like "you've got a famous name and you're 6'5" and you still can't get bookings??" e2: billed at 6'10" good lord he must be awful lol shiksa fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jul 16, 2019 |
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Jul 16, 2019 18:10
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I randomly watched the clip of Flair inducting Piper into the Hall of Fame and holy poo poo was it uncomfortable hearing him make constant references to sexually harassing and assaulting women, especially the Plane Ride from Hell where WWE actually had to financially settle with the flight attendants that complained about him. David Sammartino, if we look at the heights his father reached.
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Cody Hall? I had no idea Scott's son had gotten into wrestling. Is it a charisma thing or an in-ring issue with him?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Cody Hall? I had no idea Scott's son had gotten into wrestling. Is it a charisma thing or an in-ring issue with him? It's an attitude thing. He's been bodied on twitter a couple times by Joey Janela, NJPW and NOAH both cut him for his attitude, and as Janela pointed out when you're a 6'9 son of Scott Hall, there's hypothetically no reason for a total lack of interest like there is for Cody. He's also not good in the ring, but you can at least sorta excuse that by pointing out he's greener than hell.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:It's an attitude thing. He's been bodied on twitter a couple times by Joey Janela, NJPW and NOAH both cut him for his attitude, and as Janela pointed out when you're a 6'9 son of Scott Hall, there's hypothetically no reason for a total lack of interest like there is for Cody. he started in the njpw dojo six years ago
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Jul 16, 2019 18:18
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Another interesting question is to look at the other side, kids who eclipsed their parents careers. Bray Wyatt has had a more important career than IRS for example. Randy Orton as well.
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Dacap posted:Another interesting question is to look at the other side, kids who eclipsed their parents careers. Just think how much bigger Bray could have been if he had ever won a feud when it was important. 
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STONE COLD 64 posted:he started in the njpw dojo six years ago He also got a “huge” push as Bullet Club’s first/only Young Lion. Granted, that meant just eating pins in multi-man tags, but it still should’ve been a huge boon to his career. Pretty disappointing that he went nowhere fast after his injury/departure from NJPW. It’s a shame he never evolved past “Scott Hall’s kid that does Scott Hall things but not as good as Scott Hall.” Has any wrestler’s kid EVER succeeded while just rehashing their parent’s gimmick/mannerisms? Edit: Charlotte Flair might count, I suppose, since she leans into “WOOOO”ing and such.
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