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strong bird posted:gameplay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story And? The topic isn't if the raids are bad, it's if the story is bad. And the answer to, "Is the Ivalice raid story complete loving drek with literally nothing redeeming about it?" would be a resounding yes.
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My biggest problem with E3 is that my WoL's recollection of the fight should've spawned an endless series of chests that do not contain ponies and a console that is never triggered at the right time
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Jul 17, 2019 01:45
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also the writing is fine its not oscar caliber but it does the job if you walk into every storyline expecting a 5.0-grade tour de force then youre probably gonna be disappointed a lot from here on out
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Jul 17, 2019 01:46
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I really hope that one of the Eden fights is Pandemona for the wind aether.
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Jul 17, 2019 01:56
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Jul 17, 2019 01:57
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One point about Omega vs Eden that hasn't been mentioned yet, and gives good faith that Eden will deliver: Both Alexander and Omega were entirely detached from the main plotline of the game. Yoshi-P mentioned this in some interview leading up to ShB, and it was because after Bahamut they received a lot of complaints that players weren't able to see all of the story because it was locked behind a hard raid. He mentioned in the same interview that now that they have Normal & Savage figured out, they are able to integrate the raid into the main plotline again starting with Eden. This means that rather than one-off throwaway characters like Alpha being invented for the raid story (I still love Alpha), we're likely going to see actual character development with the existing characters integrated into Eden's plot. E1-4 is all setup. Any meaningful plot or development would have felt incredibly rushed if they threw it into the introduction to the whole thing. Edit: Also don't get me wrong, I loved Alexander and the goblins, but claiming that was a good story is some serious rose-tinted glasses. Yes, it had good characterization, but the plot was practically nonexistent. There's nothing wrong with liking the characterization, though, because that's what carries most fantasy JRPG stories. Zagposting fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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Jul 17, 2019 01:57
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Failboattootoot posted:And? The topic isn't if the raids are bad, it's if the story is bad. And the answer to, "Is the Ivalice raid story complete loving drek with literally nothing redeeming about it?" would be a resounding yes. It is ok to not like something but that doesn't make it bad.
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Jul 17, 2019 02:06
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I have to say I appreciate how much E4 is trolling the player base.
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Jul 17, 2019 02:11
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hobbesmaster posted:I have to say I appreciate how much E4 is trolling the player base. "Okay, Massive Landslide, probably just an upgrade of regular Landslide just stay away from his front line AO- *entire party gets hit and immediately blasted off the edge* From a lore standpoint, the biggest thing I appreciate about Eden is that it establishes something that was directly hinted in Amarot; creation magic is loving hard and apparently a single nanosecond of a stray thought gives you poo poo like Twin-Headed Leviathan and Car-Armor Titan. Can't wait for Godbert Ramuh to finally plug that Rhalgr lore.
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Jul 17, 2019 02:32
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Phew, what a journey.
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Jul 17, 2019 02:32
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MechaX posted:From a lore standpoint, the biggest thing I appreciate about Eden is that it establishes something that was directly hinted in Amarot; creation magic is loving hard and apparently a single nanosecond of a stray thought gives you poo poo like Twin-Headed Leviathan and Car-Armor Titan. Can't wait for Godbert Ramuh to finally plug that Rhalgr lore. Titan, lord of cars, er crags
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Jul 17, 2019 02:38
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MechaX posted:"Okay, Massive Landslide, probably just an upgrade of regular Landslide just stay away from his front line AO- *entire party gets hit and immediately blasted off the edge* "Alright time to remember Ramuh. He was in the Shroud... big fluffy white beard... uh moogle?"
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Jul 17, 2019 02:39
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hobbesmaster posted:I have to say I appreciate how much E4 is trolling the player base. The Landslide ptsd was pretty funny. There should have been phantom images of dragoons and black mages flying off the side with every landslide strike to enhance the trolling.
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Pharohman777 posted:The Landslide ptsd was pretty funny. There should have been phantom images of dragoons and black mages flying off the side with every landslide strike to enhance the trolling. idk the attack being the opposite meaning that its likely your entire raid wipes your first time through is pretty effective
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Jul 17, 2019 02:46
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Give me thunderdaddy or give me death.
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Jul 17, 2019 02:54
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I can't wait to see our nightmare versions of Ifrit and Garuda
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Jul 17, 2019 02:55
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I can't wait for the eurobeat to be overlaid on Titans theme when he starts racing around. I wonder how savage titan will get his kart enhanced.
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Rhonne posted:I can't wait to see our nightmare versions of Ifrit and Garuda Shiva.
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Jul 17, 2019 02:59
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I have a question about AST - I remember reading here that people thought nocturnal was better for dungeons, but I've been trying to use it and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong because it doesn't feel very effective? In particular, I feel like the tanks are taking so much damage that the mobs chew through the shield before my GCD is even up, not really saving me any time or effort (and costs more MP, too!) Meanwhile regen is very helpful in giving me some extra time since their health is always dropping and it's always ticking.
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Jul 17, 2019 03:01
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Shiva. I hope that the WoL's last memories of Shiva being Ysayle sacrificing herself results in the fight ending up as a total Ishgard-ptsd disaster.
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Jul 17, 2019 03:04
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eden spoilers how i imagine creation magic works: urianger: thou dost needest only thinketh of titan as he was whence you last clashed in battle, for then thine shall easily claimeth victory against thine twice fought antagonist me day dreaming about riding my sick go kart: ok
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Jul 17, 2019 03:05
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So just finished up Eden, I don't see why people were whining about the story, I thought it was good, especially for a first raid tier. Sets things up nicely, gives plenty of hooks, and you even actually accomplish something positive. The fights themselves were insanely awesome, but I do feel that like 2 and 4 had too much hp. As for spoiler talk I'm interested how the gently caress Eden can be a Sin Eater if it's a weird ship thing? Like I thought Sin Eaters came from organic beings. They call the Amnesiac the Oracle of Darkness so she's probably a result of Elidibulus's loving with us.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Shiva. Her theme remix is gonna be sick! Eimi posted:As for spoiler talk I'm interested how the gently caress Eden can be a Sin Eater if it's a weird ship thing? Like I thought Sin Eaters came from organic beings. They call the Amnesiac the Oracle of Darkness so she's probably a result of Elidibulus's loving with us. I wonder if she's also a survivor from the void.
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Eimi posted:So just finished up Eden, I don't see why people were whining about the story, I thought it was good, especially for a first raid tier. Sets things up nicely, gives plenty of hooks, and you even actually accomplish something positive. The fights themselves were insanely awesome, but I do feel that like 2 and 4 had too much hp. Ehhhh... the oracle of darkness should be a speaker for Zodiark. Zodiark themselves is not necessarily 100% aligned with the ascians, though if Emet-Selch is to be believed they would be. The oracle could be from the 13th and a completely independent actor. I'm interested to see which direction they're going with it all.
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Eimi posted:So just finished up Eden, I don't see why people were whining about the story, I thought it was good, especially for a first raid tier. Sets things up nicely, gives plenty of hooks, and you even actually accomplish something positive. The fights themselves were insanely awesome, but I do feel that like 2 and 4 had too much hp. I think they're wrong and Eden isn't the "First Sin Eater" and its actions just created them. Honestly I wonder if it perhaps can cross the rift between shards and is also what caused the Flood of Darkness (despite the Cloud of Darkness existing)
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Rhonne posted:I can't wait to see our nightmare versions of Ifrit and Garuda Taking a page from Titan's ATV, Ifrit is gonna come in on a sweet motorbike and go full Ghost Rider on us.
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Arist posted:Me and two other goons just carried a group of pugs through E4. Everyone had double rez sickness multiple times, we used the Healer LB3 twice, and it took like fifteen minutes. Nages was running ACT and tallied the number of deaths per person: 12 9 9 7 5 5 4 3 (Also I had the most dps as GNB with 5k. This is going to be hellish if pubs don't wise up)
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Your Computer posted:I have a question about AST - I remember reading here that people thought nocturnal was better for dungeons, but I've been trying to use it and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong because it doesn't feel very effective? It goes both ways, but with Noct Aspected Benefic, that's an instant 700 potency mitigation in one GCD, and crits instantly have better returns. It takes 9 seconds for a Diurnal Benefic + regen to beat that, and spamming it is a net loss of efficiency if you overwrite the hot. You can throw on CO and CU for an additional 110 per tick, and then it still takes 6 seconds for the total regen to match the mitigation of the Noct Benefic, but at least then you can get a better 310 heal potency per tick for 5 ticks. Meanwhile I prefer to use that upfront 700 to either build back up with Benefic II, or get some gravity time. I haven't had mp issues with heavy use of Lucid and Lightspeed. Not saying my way is right, but it worked better for me. This is only on the big triple pulls or whatever where the throughput is more important, because the regens aren't enough. Orcs and Ostriches fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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Given the first hand experience of just how sensitive Amaurotine creation magic is, I bet the uniform robes actually had a very practical purpose in their society. The robes are dull enough that wearers dont stand out at all, and with a species whose creation magic is hypersensitive to the casters mind, wearing bright, artsy clothing can be downright dangerous to others as you might mentally distract them mid-cast as you pass by.
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Gruckles posted:"Alright time to remember Ramuh. He was in the Shroud... big fluffy white beard... uh moogle?" We try to summon Ramuh but accidentally summon Good King Moggle Mog XII
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Jul 17, 2019 03:19
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Rhonne posted:We try to summon Ramuh but accidentally summon Good King Moggle Mog XII
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Hogama posted:Thunder... beard... helpers... that can only mean... Electric Thordan and his Moogle Knights! Thancred: "I'm really starting to get worried about our friend here."
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Last time I tried using Nocturnal in a dungeon was in Stormblood. I was having enough trouble keeping up that the tank straight-up told me to switch to Diurnal, lmao.
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So just taking stabs at guessing later raid stuff ifrit is going to be more like his classic bestial design, but otherwise i can't really guess Ramuh is sometimes depicted more lion like, so i expect him to look like a big lion man with a massive mane instead, would be neat if he was very melee instead of wizardly, also for some reason my brain is going "samurai" Shiva is going to be dragony, of course, i would probably be shocked if a dragon never even showed up. Garuda i actually expect to be calmed with more sin eater traits, because wind-wings-feathers-oops. Aimless speculation, but fun to do
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Couple of random questions: 1) Does there exist a spreadsheet or website somewhere showing roughly what mats to collect to level a crafting profession? I have an overabundance of time right now and started Botanist this evening, with an eye towards carpenter, and I'd like to be as self-sufficient as possible. 2) For lack of a better term, which tank is the easiest to play at 80? I wouldn't be taking it anywhere beyond 4 man content most likely. I have the first three at 70 and GNB at 60 still. Any thoughts/opinions? Also, e4 spoiler: Titanmobile killed my entire group the first time we saw it and we have to pause for a couple minutes after because we were laughing so hard. That's my favorite boss ability in any game, ever.
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Eden 2 was so drat fun This is the first time I've actually bothered doing 8-player raids at all because for some reason I thought normal raids would be harder/require more time than they actually do. Eden seems like a pretty great one to start with because so far the fights have been easy enough to figure out by doing them and they've been really, really fun. E2 is really clever and amused me a lot. A Real Horse posted:2) For lack of a better term, which tank is the easiest to play at 80? I wouldn't be taking it anywhere beyond 4 man content most likely. I have the first three at 70 and GNB at 60 still. Any thoughts/opinions? GNB is my first tank ever and hasn't been very hard to pick up and understand. I think it has weaker mitigation than any other tank but it has a really satisfying attack rotation and some nice utility on top of it. Harrow fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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A Real Horse posted:Couple of random questions: WAR or PLD is probably the most straight-forward no frills tank class right now, although they all have a pretty similar kit when it comes to the actual 'taking a punch' part of tanking. Most of the difference comes on the 'doing damage' part of the equation.
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Zoig posted:So just taking stabs at guessing later raid stuff I wonder what other bosses we'll end up fighting besides the remixed primals. Probably a bunch of voidsent related to the Oracle of Darkness? Eden again?
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Rhonne posted:I wonder what other bosses we'll end up fighting besides the remixed primals. Probably a bunch of voidsent related to the Oracle of Darkness? Eden again? not gonna lie i kinda hope we dont fight that many of them we're already back to the monster-of-the-day bosses from omega except instead of old ff bosses its primal remixes
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A Real Horse posted:Couple of random questions: https://ffxivcrafting.com/crafting Give it a level range, and it'll show you everything you'd need to make all the stuff in your crafting log. After you do all that you should probably just check the leves section and see what the easiest one at your level is, then get the materials to do it a bunch of times until you open a new crafting log page.
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