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lmao Harik posted:Consider buying a 2920x threadripper now since it's heading towards $300 from the original $650 and keep it until the zen2+ refresh on the refined 7nm process with some actual OC headroom? yeah I don't feel like this is malpractice advice for those of us who are workstation type customers.
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Xerophyte posted:Are there any good AIOs for TR4 now? 
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According to my APC program, switching to Ryzen gained me another 20 minutes of battery backup time.
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Cojawfee posted:According to my APC program, switching to Ryzen gained me another 20 minutes of battery backup time. Same powersupply?
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Jul 16, 2019 18:00
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pixaal posted:Same powersupply? Yeah, all I did was swap out the motherboard and CPU.
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Jul 16, 2019 18:08
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Apparently undervolting Ryzen 3000 is not recommended unless you also set a fixed frequency:The Stilt on Overclock.net posted:Its not wise to undervolt Matisse, unless you enable the OC-Mode (fixed frequency). Also, a follow-up to the original video (now removed) that comment was in response to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wM3obN2pAE
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hmm it looks like there's a significant PPW gain by undervolting/clocking to 3.5GHz still. Not max perf, but like 40% less power for 20% less perf. That's probably why the Epyc clocks are around there for the 64 core monsters.
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It would be nice to have a real DVFS surface that could do 1.3 or whatever for the highend single core uses but drop down to 1V for the multicore stuff
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Jul 16, 2019 19:48
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orcane posted:Not as intuitive as Asrock or Asus in my experience with recent boards. I have a B450 I Aorus Pro WiFi and the UI is a mess of things you can click or you expand/toggle with <enter> and options you can only change by entering numbers directly or using keys to alter the values (+/- or pgup/pgdn, I can't remember). the best thing about msi's b450 mbs not having enough room for the full bios post-zen2 is that it means they had to turn off all the dumb fancy graphical poo poo. the text-based "lite" bios is boring and old-fashioned and internally consistent and just what i, a boring and old person, want
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Jul 16, 2019 20:09
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Soricidus posted:the best thing about msi's b450 mbs not having enough room for the full bios post-zen2 is that it means they had to turn off all the dumb fancy graphical poo poo. Speak for yourself. I like that poo poo and now I’m shook.
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Jul 16, 2019 20:25
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Craptacular! posted:Speak for yourself. I like that poo poo and now I’m shook. At least on the Tomahawk the description says temporarily removed. So I suspect they are making a new one that's smaller and more optimized when Ryzen 3000 has a non beta BIOS. I don't think we'll see that for another month or two.
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Jul 16, 2019 21:06
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Craptacular! posted:Speak for yourself. I like that poo poo and now I’m shook. see above re: me being boring and old. i am also grumpy that i had to go to extra effort to turn off the rgb light show on the stock 3700x cooler, because i hate things that are cool and fun
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Soricidus posted:the best thing about msi's b450 mbs not having enough room for the full bios post-zen2 is that it means they had to turn off all the dumb fancy graphical poo poo. the text-based "lite" bios is boring and old-fashioned and internally consistent and just what i, a boring and old person, want Yeah, when I heard about all this ruckus with MSI's BIOS, and actually looked it up for myself, I couldn't really understand the problem with the interface itself. I'm used to good ol' text based keyboard navigated BIOSes... I mean, you get your poo poo done and you leave, most likely never to look in there again.. why do we need animated logos and stuff anyway? .. But that said, apparently it was more than just the loss of some images. RAID functionality was flat out broken, which is utterly hilarious. OK, nobody in their right mind uses BIOS fakeraid anyway, but still, it's borderline unbelievable that a company would choose to wreck RAID functionality..
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pixaal posted:At least on the Tomahawk the description says temporarily removed. So I suspect they are making a new one that's smaller and more optimized when Ryzen 3000 has a non beta BIOS. I don't think we'll see that for another month or two. They could even go with dumping Zen1 for space if they really need to, since they have BIOS Flashback having two incompatible BIOS and telling you to flash the one for the generation you use isn’t impossible even if it’s inconvenient. I was semi sarcastic about the being shook, I’m more concerned it means this board won’t get Zen4.
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I assume you mean Ryzen 4000 series? Makes me wonder where there is left to got. Already on 7nm so they can't even jam any more cache in there. Just clock speeds? The same percentage uplift from Ryzen 1000 to Ryzen 2000 would actually be alright considering the "base" performance for 3000 series is so high to begin with.
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Yeah, that was what I meant. Maybe they won’t be that different from a firmware perspective.
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Seamonster posted:I assume you mean Ryzen 4000 series? 7nm+ should have higher clocks and the Zen 3 uarch should have another step up in IPC, I think they will probably stay at 16 cores as the maximum though.
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MSI is releasing a new b450 revision with a larger bios chip. It's part of why I haven't bought one yet. MaxxBot posted:7nm+ should have higher clocks and the Zen 3 uarch should have another step up in IPC, I think they will probably stay at 16 cores as the maximum though. I haven't heard anything else about zen3 that's remotely credible. Realistically, there may be some power efficiency and slight clock speed gains at worst. If they squeeze in some ipc gains, especially for int which lags intel a bit, it will be cool but probably not a killer upgrade. Khorne fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jul 16, 2019 |
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Hot dog, there's a new BIOS floating around for the X370 Taichi that brings AGESA up to 1.0.0.3 (Linux/Destiny 2 bug still in sounds like, fixed in later revisions of 1.0.0.3) that apparently fixes some issues that were affecting me. Deffo gonna load that up when I get home from work tonight. For anyone else on the same motherboard and Ryzen 3x00. https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-amd-motherboards/1627407-asrock-x370-taichi-overclocking-thread-542.html#post28045924
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It's odd that we know next to nothing about Zen3 yet it's like, what 8-14 months till release? Moving to SMT4 is like, very HPC specific is it not? Maybe Zen2 and Zen3 are supposed to coexist side by side until Zen4 replaces them?
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I finally put in a 3900x in my MSI x470 and so far it works great, no issues with memory speed, temperatures bios or anything else. I had a 2600x in it before so it is significantly faster in pretty much everything, hard not to notice. I played some Nier at 3440x1440 with a 1080ti and was struggling with 40-50 fps and now I'm hitting and staying at 140 so it seems I had really gimped my performance with the 2600x. Going to run some compile tests for work tomorrow, but one blender project I tried cut the render time to 1/3rd. Edit: Also according to hwinfo I hit max boost on four cores at some point. Rusty fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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I installed some 3600CL16 RAM in my system (3700X, ASRock B450M Pro4) and have the XMP profile set in BIOS. Memtest86 recognizes the RAM as running at 3600MHz but CPU-Z in Windows only shows it running at 1066/2133. Is my RAM not running at 3600MHz in Windows for some reason? EDIT: OK, it appears Memtest isn't actually displaying current RAM frequency and is just displaying the SPD info. Looks like the BIOS is just refusing to change my RAM speed. Wiseblood fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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Rusty posted:I played some Nier at 3440x1440 with a 1080ti and was struggling with 40-50 fps and now I'm hitting and staying at 140 so it seems I had really gimped my performance with the 2600x. That's pretty nuts
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Rusty posted:I played some Nier at 3440x1440 with a 1080ti and was struggling with 40-50 fps and now I'm hitting and staying at 140 so it seems I had really gimped my performance with the 2600x. I think Nier was a real bad port so this is possible but I don't think that was the 2600x's fault.
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shrike82 posted:That's pretty nuts It sounds like there was a problem at release and AMD released a hotfix a while later. It's definitely not reflective of relative CPU performance, and the 2600X (or even 1600) should be fine for Nier now. Having to wait several months for a hotfix is pretty bad, but it's not clear where the fault ultimately lay. E: Finally being able to play Nier is a big win though 
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I definitely don't have such a large gap with other games but this was one I had been struggling with and ended up giving up trying to hit 60 so I tried after the upgrade and it's better now somehow.
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Microcenter employee has no idea when they will get more 3700X or 3900X, at this rate maybe I will wait for the 3950X.
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Alright, so I enabled XMP2 in my BIOS and I'm only getting 1600 MHz out of it in Windows. Shouldn't it be 3200? Memtest86+ got all 3200 MHz for what it's worth.
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iospace posted:Alright, so I enabled XMP2 in my BIOS and I'm only getting 1600 MHz out of it in Windows. Shouldn't it be 3200? Memtest86+ got all 3200 MHz for what it's worth.
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Conartist posted:The 3200 is a doubling of 1600 so it looks to be working correctly. So the speed you see in Windows is half that of what the actual speed will be then?
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iospace posted:So the speed you see in Windows is half that of what the actual speed will be then? Yes, that's how Double Data Rate memory works.
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8-bit Miniboss posted:Yes, that's how Double Data Rate memory works.  I feel ashamed now.
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So I got my X570 Taichi today with a Ryzen 3600, and I can't hear it once it starts up and the highest temp sensor on the motherboard is 38 C. The Reddit post complaining about overheating and all the X570 sound clips made me paranoid, but it seems fine. Ideally there would be no fan on the board, but so far I'm okay with it.
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Loaded up that BIOS I posted about earlier for the X370 Taichi. I can run my RAM at XMP 3200 again along with hitting 4.5Ghz single core boosts according to HWiNFO on the 3900X. Hot dog.
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Why are people buying 570 boards exactly? I'm in the market for a new set up but looking at some basic 450 board. Is there anything apart from PCI4 and SLI that I'll be missing out on? (I wont use either anyway)
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Mikojan posted:Why are people buying 570 boards exactly? You need an old cpu to flash the 450, or buy one that will do flash without a cpu. There is also an issue with the BIOS chip size and 3000 series update dropping support for the oldest CPUs. In the end not a bug deal but it limits you to a handful of B450 boards until vendors release updated B450 boards that support 3000 out of box and have the larger BIOS chip. There's plenty of good b450 boards, you should be fine with one as long as you have a way to update BIOS.
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Mikojan posted:Why are people buying 570 boards exactly? Mid to high end x570 boards are generally nicer than comparatively priced x470 but if you don't need the bells and whistles, just get a B450 board. Msi Tomahawk/Mortar are the usual suggestions.
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Mikojan posted:Why are people buying 570 boards exactly? Basically, I assume that I'll upgrade my CPU, RAM, and GPU at some point in the next couple years, and the x570's will have some better headroom for upgrading. By the time stuff is coming out to obsolete the mobo entirely, I'll probably be building a whole new system anyway, and it might not even be AMD at that point. Plus the price difference isn't that big compared to the costs of video cards and CPU so, why not!
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The Gate posted:Basically, I assume that I'll upgrade my CPU, RAM, and GPU at some point in the next couple years, and the x570's will have some better headroom for upgrading. By the time stuff is coming out to obsolete the mobo entirely, I'll probably be building a whole new system anyway, and it might not even be AMD at that point. Plus the price difference isn't that big compared to the costs of video cards and CPU so, why not! It’s also nice to know that they will work with Ryzen 2 out of the box while the rest of us twiddle our thumbs waiting for companies to release a bios that works.
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B-Mac posted:It’s also nice to know that they will work with Ryzen 2 out of the box while the rest of us twiddle our thumbs waiting for companies to release a bios that works. Also true, and I'll be honest I haven't built a PC in 7 years so like, I wanted this time to go as smoothly as possible. 
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