|
lol I really need to watch more of the Sun Moon anime, if only for Rowlet. it seems like the animators have some sort of running competition to see who can draw the funniest Rowlet face, 'cause that birb is just giving so many goofy faces. I don't know if I can remember any of Ash's Pokemon that are as expressive.
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 10:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 10:38 |
|
|
Nodosaur posted:I saw this in a thread somewhere else. While newer models have identical silhouettes and geometry compared to older ones there’s a difference in the number of polygons. Sorry, no that's already been disproven. Videos have been posted in this very thread of people doing model to model comparisons, and they have identical numbers of polygons. They didn't even subdivide the polygons for higher level of detail with the same structure, they're literally identical.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 11:10
|
|
|
Nodosaur posted:I saw this in a thread somewhere else. While newer models have identical silhouettes and geometry compared to older ones there’s a difference in the number of polygons. Pikachu and Eevee were updated for LGPE, that much we know. Were the other Pokemon models also updated? There seems to be "evidence" that contradicts that. Maybe they want to give all pokemon the possibility to be as expressive as Pikachu and Eevee?
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 11:12
|
|
|
For stuff like this, we won't know the graphical specifics until the game is out, but it'll be super interesting to find out.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 11:15
|
|
|
Crosspeice posted:For stuff like this, we won't know the graphical specifics until the game is out, but it'll be super interesting to find out. Happy Noodle Boy posted:Spoilers: the models with 100% be the 3DS with prettier textures and that’s it.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 11:21
|
|
|
i hope someone can figure out this model business once and for all because i need to know if the game is good or not
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 11:23
|
|
|
oddium posted:i hope someone can figure out this model business once and for all because i need to know if the game is good or not Game has Wooloo so we already know the answer.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 11:25
|
|
|
Crosspeice posted:For stuff like this, we won't know the graphical specifics until the game is out, but it'll be super interesting to find out. The model thing is in fact one of the least interesting things in the world
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 11:27
|
|
|
Andrast posted:The model thing is in fact one of the least interesting things in the world nuh uh brave patriots are risking their lives right now to uncover THE TRUTH about this video game for children
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 11:30
|
|
|
The theory that GF would lie about having to remake the model seems weird. It would be "disproven" immidiately given the footage we've seen, which it did. People would then be more upset than before. It seems more probable that there's something in the rest of the game that requires more effort.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 11:37
|
|
|
Deffon posted:The theory that GF would lie about having to remake the model seems weird. It would be "disproven" immidiately given the footage we've seen, which it did. People would then be more upset than before. It has been disproven, but it seems most likely what they meant is that they're retexturing them, which they are clearly doing.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 11:54
|
|
|
Camping probably needs a bunch of new animations for every pokemon, but even if that's true people will still be mad because they didn't want to trade Girafarig for this generation's gimmick
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 11:55
|
|
|
I bet not all of the models in the trailer are final, because that's a thing that happens a lot in game trailers, and I don't know why Game Freak are supposed to be any different. I also bet that this videogame will be pretty fun once it comes out!
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 12:10
|
|
|
The handful of comparisons I've seen between the 3DS and Switch textures, I actually liked the 3DS textures better. The Switch ones looked smooth and rubbery, like balloons.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 12:15
|
|
|
Spatula City posted:lol I really need to watch more of the Sun Moon anime, if only for Rowlet. it seems like the animators have some sort of running competition to see who can draw the funniest Rowlet face, 'cause that birb is just giving so many goofy faces. I don't know if I can remember any of Ash's Pokemon that are as expressive. I really wish a fansub group would just use the US terms, I really don't want to bust my head trying to keep everyone's names correct. I mean I'd watch the dub if it wasn't so flat but they must lace the Voice Director's drink with nytol or something.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 13:31
|
|
|
ConanThe3rd posted:I really wish a fansub group would just use the US terms, I really don't want to bust my head trying to keep everyone's names correct. Get over it and accept lurugurugan in your heart.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 13:55
|
|
|
It's jus' a little bit more work than I'm wanting to put into light entertainment is all. Like I said, if the dub wasn't a complete bore I'd just watch that it's infinitely more available. But yes, this is a lot of moaning about watching the pokemon cartoon of all things so...
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 14:28
|
|
|
Annath posted:The handful of comparisons I've seen between the 3DS and Switch textures, I actually liked the 3DS textures better. The Switch ones looked smooth and rubbery, like balloons. There are some things on the 3DS model represented by textures that really should be part of the model itself if they truly want high-fidelity. An example I noticed last night are feathers on Rowlett's back; they are completely flat and it really shows.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 14:33
|
|
|
The Golden Gael posted:There are some things on the 3DS model represented by textures that really should be part of the model itself if they truly want high-fidelity. An example I noticed last night are feathers on Rowlett's back; they are completely flat and it really shows. Now they've got a more advanced system they could cheat these with shaders and bump mapping to create the impression of things like feathers or fur without needing full remodels.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 14:36
|
|
ConanThe3rd posted:It's jus' a little bit more work than I'm wanting to put into light entertainment is all. You just gonna leave Mokuroh hanging because of that?     
|
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 14:38
|
|
|
The owl is round
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 14:58
|
|
|
Love my pal Stolas.  I wonder which Gen I monsters are getting Brexited. Maybe the fossils?
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 15:02
|
|
|
Deffon posted:The theory that GF would lie about having to remake the model seems weird. It would be "disproven" immidiately given the footage we've seen, which it did. People would then be more upset than before. Its probably texture work, which can be its own nightmare, but would definitely be a lot less work than a new model + texture. Model's not being 'accepted' by the engine doesn't really carry a lot of water anyway, that's not how importing and exporting models work at all. The whole thing is weird all around. I don't know why they haven't just announced that they will retroactively patch all the models that got left behind into Sword/Shield, either as their own standalone patches, or as they make new games. Just flat out announcing they will never be compatible is insane to me. Like even with Ruby/Sapphire, which are the only games to be 100% backwards compatible, they still allowed for non-Hoenn Dex pokes to get imported, presumably to push sales for FR/LG and Emerald. I'm still expecting them to do the same sort of cash grab here, but its weird that they contradict that with their statements.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 15:21
|
|
|
Pentaro posted:I wonder which Gen I monsters are getting Brexited. Maybe the fossils? It's more then likely that no Gen 1 monster is going to be cut, but I'd go with monsters that no one really cares that much about (Seel or Mankey for instance) or ones that have been in too many games already (Tentacool and Zubat). As for Pokemon like starters and fossils, I'm beginning to think that all of them will appear in the game, as those groups of Pokemon are relatively popular.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 15:29
|
|
|
Seel was a perfectly fine 'mon until the game realized its error and introduced Spheal, the much better Seal, Because It Is An Orb
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 15:30
|
|
|
People like mankey and primeape because Ash caught one in the show.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 15:32
|
|
|
Not even Ash remembers Primeape
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 15:50
|
|
|
people love gloom because they stink like death
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 15:50
|
|
precious
|
It was clear that the writers had no real plan for Primeape after Ash caught it. Heck, Krabby and Muk's inclusion in the Pokemon league feels like an afterthought.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 16:30
|
|
|
Zuzie posted:It was clear that the writers had no real plan for Primeape after Ash caught it. Heck, Krabby and Muk's inclusion in the Pokemon league feels like an afterthought. Speaking of Pokemon caught with no plans, I'm just past where he beats Blain and I have seen Brock's Zubat maybe twice. Spoiling it for myself with Bulbapedia I'm glad to see it will eventually get some screen time, but right now feels like they just straight forgot about it.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 16:37
|
|
|
Mef989 posted:Speaking of Pokemon caught with no plans, I'm just past where he beats Blain and I have seen Brock's Zubat maybe twice. Spoiling it for myself with Bulbapedia I'm glad to see it will eventually get some screen time, but right now feels like they just straight forgot about it. Its in the intro carrying Bulbasaur tho iirc! Man that whole scene is weird.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 16:38
|
|
|
Borsche69 posted:The whole thing is weird all around. I don't know why they haven't just announced that they will retroactively patch all the models that got left behind into Sword/Shield, either as their own standalone patches, or as they make new games. Just flat out announcing they will never be compatible is insane to me. Because they shouldn't announce a thing that won't happen. Any attempted move or trade will be met with "Pokémon doesn't want to go to Galar!", and any Pokémon hacked in will probably either be garbage data or a Marowak with carried over stats like in LGPE.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 16:43
|
|
|
The early anime was still trying to find its feet. One of the changes was to reduce the number of Pokémon the each of the human cast would have, otherwise the cast would balloon to absurd proportions and there would be no way to keep track of them all. It's very silly when fans of the anime try to bring up the "importance" of some monsters like Misty's Horsea (It foiled one of Team Rocket's plots by squirting an ink trail! That means Horsea is as important as Pikachu!).
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 16:49
|
|
|
AlBorlantern Corps posted:People like mankey and primeape because Ash caught one in the show. Nah, Mankey and primeape are some of the better gen 1 fighting types
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 17:27
|
|
|
Lazy_Liberal posted:people love gloom because they stink like death Gloom is a friend of mine's favorite
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 17:52
|
|
|
Borsche69 posted:
Because this is an insane scope problem, which is something that Pokémon already struggles with. What if not 100% of all pokemon are included between SwSh and the theorized DPP remake? How long do they support the backwards compatibility? If they can patch in pokemon not in the game files, do they patch in pokemon that didn't exist when a new generation comes out- you know people will ask for it. berenzen fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jul 17, 2019 |
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 17:58
|
|
|
I for one am looking forward to the erasure of the Gen IV legendaries and mythicals from the Pokedex.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 18:03
|
|
|
Pokemon are not getting patched back in less because of scope and more out of either their total refusal to implement content patches, selling Pokemon Home subscriptions or whatever monetization plan it has, or very probably both the above.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 18:09
|
|
|
Nasgate posted:Nah, Mankey and primeape are some of the better gen 1 fighting types Suck my Hitmonpeepee. Those monkeys are awful. To be honest, I don't like most fighting type designs. Galar is probably just going to have a literal hand and foot MXC style.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 18:19
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 10:38 |
|
|
I believe that limiting the number of Pokemon to just the regional dex is more of a purposeful design decision then incompetence on their part. They want to put a limit on how much time they want to spend on developing models and coding for every monster (especially when virtually no one is actually going to use every single monster), otherwise the rest of the game will falter. Pokémon is unique in that it keeps supporting older data and that's the game's biggest distinction, but it's come to a point where they cannot keep up with producing a game with more and more characters. Of course, they're going to cite animation and models because saying "We want our players to buy more games to get them to do something that used to be done with just one game" would be outright bad for PR. Zuzie fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jul 17, 2019 |
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2019 18:27
|
|