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sexpig by night posted:so the grand summary, 'we were actually very nice to the president by taking the most tender, nonbinding, terms possible, and we're not actually saying the president is a racist' Who the gently caress is this meant to even appeal to? "Oh man if I can just swing those moderate closet racist Republicans!" The loving indie voters turned on him 3/10 over this
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TulliusCicero posted:"To be clear, we never actually meant to take a stand for anything at all!" -Nancy Pelosi It's frustrating because I understand why they are doing this. Calling Trump a racist rather than "using racist language" is the same reason why we sometimes say "using fascist talking points"; an entirely fact based analysis cannot speculate on the motivations for an action, ie is Trump actually racist or is he just saying that because he knows that his base is racist and he is an immoral opportunist. But come the gently caress on
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TulliusCicero posted:Who the gently caress is this meant to even appeal to? "Oh man if I can just swing those moderate closet racist Republicans!" White people who do not like being called racist for being racist
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I'd be lying if I said I haven't considered arming myself before 2020, but gently caress if I want to give those fuckers my money. Mosins are plentiful, and Soviet
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CuddleCryptid posted:It's frustrating because I understand why they are doing this. Calling Trump a racist rather than "using racist language" is the same reason why we sometimes say "using fascist talking points"; an entirely fact based analysis cannot speculate on the motivations for an action, ie is Trump actually racist or is he just saying that because he knows that his base is racist and he is an immoral opportunist. this and plus, the GOP/trump arnt acting in good faith either way and wouldn't extend us the same courtesy.
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Saying racist words and taking racist actions does not mean you are a racist.
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Mr Hootington posted:Saying racist words and taking racist actions does not mean you are a racist. It just means that you pander to racists. Way better.
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Mr Hootington posted:White people who do not like being called racist for being racist As many have said, white people consider it worse than being racist, or racism that PoC experience.
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TulliusCicero posted:There. Is. No. Strategy. Exactly. He's just a moron doing impulsive poo poo who has always had enough money and sycophants around him to ride it out. Maybe he used to be able to make and execute longer term plans for his con jobs, but not anymore. He attracts a swarm of conmen around him because they think they see an easy mark that they can influence and in the short term they are usually right but in the long term they usually underestimate just how loving stupid he is and have their own plans wrecked by him being a moron. There is no grand plan, any appearance of one is just randomness creating a false pattern. And that's terrifying.
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theflyingorc posted:I'm aware. It literally doesn't matter, Silver discussed it and there's basically no correlation between where you campaign and how you do, going back decades. It's a simple answer to the problem that sounds right but isn't born out by any data we have. oh well if nate silver said that you don't have to have a ground game then i guess we were wrong to think clinton ran a lovely campaign
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Yeah. I don't remember learning much about the black ships at Edo, Perry, or gunboat diplomacy in my rural high school history class. Mostly we just learned about the unprovoked attack that was Pearl Harbor.
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sexpig by night posted:so the grand summary, 'we were actually very nice to the president by taking the most tender, nonbinding, terms possible, and we're not actually saying the president is a racist' If you believe in something, loving hold your ground and argue for it. People respect that even when they don't agree with it. Svaha fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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The top comments on this NYTimes piece are all Times readers panicking that the Democrats have swung uncomfortably left for them (I was expecting the comments to poo poo on Friedman's stupid goddamn argument): https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html The Dems are gonna find a middle ground to isolate both the social progressives and the NIMBY moderates next fall or something aren't they
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luxury handset posted:yeah Anyone who believes in capitalism is a loving chud.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I'd be lying if I said I haven't considered arming myself before 2020, but gently caress if I want to give those fuckers my money. Why not just study martial arts... both cheapier and, in the long run, more effective
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Calibanibal posted:Why not just study martial arts... both cheapier and, in the long run, more effective https://youtu.be/lk59imFr6yI
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Calibanibal posted:Why not just study martial arts... both cheapier and, in the long run, more effective Do both. Learn gunkata
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kidkissinger posted:oh well if nate silver said that you don't have to have a ground game then i guess we were wrong to think clinton ran a lovely campaign The lack of correlation is probably in personal appearances by the candidate, not the presence or lack of canvassing/get out the vote. I can’t find the article so I couldn’t tell you but it doesn’t seem too far-fetched. Who gives a poo poo how many waffle restaurants they visit or whatever?
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Calibanibal posted:Why not just study martial arts... both cheapier and, in the long run, more effective Someone please make just-learn-capoeira.gif
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God this loving grand standing piece of poo poo https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1151546670871732226?s=21
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Mike the TV posted:It just means that you pander to racists. Way better. But that statement is also more easily proven than "he is racist" Thinking about it, this is probably why it's so hard to call anyone in power "racist", because the label can only definitively stick if doing racist poo poo has a *negative* overall impact on your life. A mayor of a majority minority town that says racist things is a racist because he isn't catering to anyone, only his own self interest. A politician with a lot of racist supporters though? Who knows. If you are racist for fame and fortune you're more or less bulletproof. The one exception is when you are found being racist in private via leaked things that were not supposed to slip out, because there is no way that could be intended to push a goal. Now, if you were to, say, kick black tenants out of their homes without cause because they are black, like Trump did, that's a whole other thing and I wish things like that would be called out more.
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FizFashizzle posted:God this loving grand standing piece of poo poo I miss the times when his lovely hard-line fiscal conservatism was one of the dumbest things we had to deal with in government.
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CuddleCryptid posted:But that statement is also more easily proven than "he is racist" the thing is, if you pander to racists, you are a racist
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Wilhelm posted:The top comments on this NYTimes piece are all Times readers panicking that the Democrats have swung uncomfortably left for them (I was expecting the comments to poo poo on Friedman's stupid goddamn argument): https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html Honestly? Probably not. Triangulation has its limits. Not that they won't try and haven't tried and aren't trying right now. The party is moving left and will continue to do so as young people not only vote, but are discovering direct action and young people under 35 are about 70% leftist with socialism no longer being a dirty word. The donors and political elites don't like that and they're doing their best to reel us back in. So in the meantime, they're trying to shore up their institutional power to survive while using their media arms to push narratives about going too far too fast. Neoliberalism has reached a breaking point and when that happens, there tends to be a showdown between fascism and socialism. During the 1920's to the 1940's, you saw the knives come out between fascists and socialists and where it wasn't resolved, like say Italy in the 1970's, I remember hearing stories about the insane waves of violence that people became accustomed to as fascists, socialists, communists and capitalists duked it out with one another not only in street fights, but in no poo poo acts of terrorism committed by basically everyone. What the dems are trying to do is to head off a political realignment that would disrupt their authority over the party that would make coastal elites have to openly (that's important) break bread with fascists in order to survive while the urban and rural poor gang up to deal with poverty and corruption. Really, anything they can do to keep the poor from making common cause with one another. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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FizFashizzle posted:God this loving grand standing piece of poo poo Remember when this ambulating fistula caused a government shutdown that lasted all of a half hour because he just had to have his spotlight? His neighbor should have put him in a coma from which he never awakened.
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kidkissinger posted:oh well if nate silver said that you don't have to have a ground game then i guess we were wrong to think clinton ran a lovely campaign It is not contradictory to say "Clinton ran a lovely campaign" and "Clinton not specifically visiting WI had no effect on her losing WI."
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kidkissinger posted:the thing is, if you pander to racists, you are a racist I agree, and the defense of "no, he's not racist, he is just an immoral psychopath that will say anything for power" is not the defense that the right thinks it is. But Congress loves technicalities, as we saw yesterday.
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Eeyo posted:The lack of correlation is probably in personal appearances by the candidate, not the presence or lack of canvassing/get out the vote. I can’t find the article so I couldn’t tell you but it doesn’t seem too far-fetched. Who gives a poo poo how many waffle restaurants they visit or whatever? I mean, Cambridge Analytics stealing Facebook data, giving it to the fsb, who then bought targets ads had a meaningful impact in at least 3 states. Then there's Julian, trumps kid, and Russia framing Clinton for Seth rich's murder (yeah, Julian chimed in after the election, but I promise you I heard the narrative pushed on the ground at the dnc among the pro-Bernie contingency). And maybe Hillary anticipating this and flying to Wisconsin to push back might have given us a Clinton presidency and GOP control of house and senate for 8 concention-camp free years.
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FizFashizzle posted:God this loving grand standing piece of poo poo Also: https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1151527148089479169
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CuddleCryptid posted:Apparently they exist, and it blows my mind. The dude has the personality of a scorpion with an energy drink addition and the looks of a deep water fish. Trump can't swim and also the people of Innsmouth were a misunderstood racial minority who Trump would be adding to the camps if they hadn't already been ethnically cleansed.
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FizFashizzle posted:God this loving grand standing piece of poo poo Rand Paul has a serious empathy problem. 
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Is there just a big machine that just churns out these sort of "actually this is a big win for trump" hot takes on literally every news story? https://mobile.twitter.com/scottwon...1435%23lastpost  What’s funny is that there’s still people out there that are under the belief that democrats won’t immediately flip whatever meager victory they manage to make.
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https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1151551154066776065 Why get your news from any other source?
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Uglycat posted:I mean, Cambridge Analytics stealing Facebook data, giving it to the fsb, who then bought targets ads had a meaningful impact in at least 3 states. Then there's Julian, trumps kid, and Russia framing Clinton for Seth rich's murder (yeah, Julian chimed in after the election, but I promise you I heard the narrative pushed on the ground at the dnc among the pro-Bernie contingency). Oh, hey Uglycat, not sure when you got back from your trip, but welcome back. quote:And maybe Hillary anticipating this and flying to Wisconsin to push back might have given us a Clinton presidency and GOP control of house and senate for 8 concention-camp free years. As horrible as it is, we were always going to have to deal with rising fascism. While I hate Trump, I appreciate how cartoonishly evil he is because he gives people something to rally against that is easy to cast in terms of good and evil. A polished fascist would absolutely wreck this unprepared country of ours. A stupid one causes a ton of destruction, but at least he gives you a clear reason to oppose him and politically motivate people who otherwise wouldn't have been. Also I'd be extremely worried about dems as they did nothing about rising fascism for another eight years and the numbers that they could command as they built support and refined their methods for that much longer. Hillary would be an effective administrator, but all she'd really do would be to manage the decline. Trump wasn't prepared to govern come 2016 and hasn't been able to attract talent because he's so toxic. A competent fascist would find more people who would know how the levers of power work, how and when to best pull them and would generally stomp all over a unprepared, disengaged populace. My hope is that the public overcorrects so wildly in regards to Trump that we pick a true leftist like Bernie or Warren and they institute programs that reduce suffering, which is one of the root causes of fascism, while addressing climate change in a real way. That they realign the parties and in that chaos, it tears down a lot of the old, moldering institutions. As bad as things are now, it would be so, so much worse under a competent fascist. We'd be so hosed. With Trump, we have a chance because he's such an unlikable rear end in a top hat. I have this pet theory that the American people have been largely testing different methods of governance for a while now. Neo-conservatism failed with Bush. Obama had moderate success with neo-liberalism, but he squandered basically all of his political will. Now we're dealing with fascism and Trump hasn't been able to create wealth, only ride the recovery and spread misery. Even the recovery isn't perfect, and we're currently in a recession when it comes to manufacturing for instance. My personal hope is that the American people aren't exactly testing out political systems, but are constantly rolling the dice on new people and systems of governance because they're so stressed out and exhausted that they'll try whatever is new to bail them out of their nightmarish existence of working themselves to death. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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I'm shocked it took Pelosi this long to water down her already watered down comments. Do you think it will take until Friday before she's back to attacking other democrats or does she consider the racist tweets event over and so now it's time to go back to business as usual?OAquinas posted:https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1151551154066776065 Because I want to get the news that's happened, not the news that's going to happen. If you keep reading the Onion one day you're going to open it to find a headline about your extremely funny, public autoerotic asphyxiation death and then it'll all be greek tragedy where you're trying to avoid it but every action brings you one step closer to hanging from the back of that truck with your pants down around your ankles. Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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Your Lottery posted:Jamaican?! They should instead run a black woman against AOC. i wonder what kind of crazy poo poo this token has said and is going to say. Reminds me of some token(a guy, maybe gay? ) that was trying to unseat DeBlassio for NYC mayor a few years ago and he had a crazy radio interview talking about bagels and "do how you do my fellow non normies?" stuff
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