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Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Hoobastank4ever97 posted:

ok it's been 17 hours and i couldn't figure it out

i've googled it a shitload but no actual answers from anyone. just forum threads on other sites that lead to nothing

if someone can tell me how to do this on an asus rt-ac86u i'll buy you an account upgrade or something. it's worth it for the blood pressure that it would relieve

so, this all goes back to the poo poo i told you in my original post

workgroup discovery doesn't work. you need to reference the share by ip address unless you have a loving active directory. that is to say \\10.0.0.5\mypornstash instead of \\mybigstupidneongamerpc\mypornstash

of course, even if you get it it to "work" it will still suck rear end because desktop windows is deliberately crippled as a fileserver. you need to install some version of windows server if you want this to work properly

or linux

desktop windows is designed not to work for this purpose. you are not supposed to do this, like, ever. windows desktop filesharing competes with airdrop, not with a fileserver.

(why would anyone spend $400 on a windows server license if a $79 desktop sku could serve files?!)

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BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

Desktop windows caps the number of inbound smb sessions to 5 but so long as he isn't exceeding that it will work well enough. Stop taking out your rear end.

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy
welp I downloaded and installed SimpleDNS and everything is working completely perfectly now! :toot:

thanks a ton to those who pointed me in that direction! :cheers:

edit: also I have two nintendo switches and four docks

Chumbawumba4ever97 fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jul 11, 2019

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


workgroup discovery and netbios are garbage poo poo for idiots whether your clients are linux or windows, at least in my experience

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Ciaphas posted:

workgroup discovery and netbios are garbage poo poo for idiots whether your clients are linux or windows, at least in my experience

yes i said this also in my original post

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

Desktop windows caps the number of inbound smb sessions to 5 but so long as he isn't exceeding that it will work well enough. Stop taking out your rear end.

there are many, many limitations

session count, user count, connection count

it is intentionally designed to be frustrating as hell and in general it is a bad idea

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy
so what's the deal with windows and sharing files exactly? someone wants to share files between windows and android and they expect you to buy windows server 2019 if you want to watch your animes on a firestick? i mean i know what i am doing is "technically" a server but isn't that a pretty loose interpretation of the term here?

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Hoobastank4ever97 posted:

so what's the deal with windows and sharing files exactly? someone wants to share files between windows and android and they expect you to buy windows server 2019 if you want to watch your animes on a firestick? i mean i know what i am doing is "technically" a server but isn't that a pretty loose interpretation of the term here?

windows desktop and windows server have the same kernel and same basic services for most things

they deliberately apply limits to a windows system identified as running a desktop edition so that businesses don't set up windows desktop hosts as file and print servers

those limits are insanely low and they are very easy to hit

this is also why microsoft dabbled with their "home server" product -- cheaper than the real windows server license, but differently-crippled, so that home users would enjoy it

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

windows desktop and windows server have the same kernel and same basic services for most things

they deliberately apply limits to a windows system identified as running a desktop edition so that businesses don't set up windows desktop hosts as file and print servers

those limits are insanely low and they are very easy to hit

this is also why microsoft dabbled with their "home server" product -- cheaper than the real windows server license, but differently-crippled, so that home users would enjoy it

ah OK, that makes sense. i guess to a simpleton like myself it seems funny they have SHARING SHARING SHARING all over the control panel and networking options only for me to be unable to stream Drop_Dead_Fred_(1991).mkv to my shield lol

thanks for clearing all this poo poo up for me, and for helping me fix it

pram
Jun 10, 2001
drop dead fred is an under-appreciated movie

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

pram posted:

drop dead fred is an under-appreciated movie
:rip: rik mayall

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts

pram posted:

drop dead fred is an under-appreciated movie

got this confused with freddy got fingered and was p confused

Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


Best viewed on Orgasma Plasma
Lipstick Apathy

Hoobastank4ever97 posted:

ah OK, that makes sense. i guess to a simpleton like myself it seems funny they have SHARING SHARING SHARING all over the control panel and networking options only for me to be unable to stream Drop_Dead_Fred_(1991).mkv to my shield lol

thanks for clearing all this poo poo up for me, and for helping me fix it

you should install plex, browsing files from windows share is so 2006

with media in plex and small documents in the cloud there isn't much need for windows shares at home

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011

graph posted:

got this confused with freddy got fingered and was p confused

one of the few movies Roger Ebert ever gave zero stars to iirc

absolute goddamn trashfire, not entirely unlike trying to use a windows client os as a file server

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy

pram posted:

drop dead fred is an under-appreciated movie

ever since i had kids i get choked up at the end when the little kid is doing a pinky swear by herself and you see it's with drop dead fred :unsmith:

Perplx posted:

you should install plex, browsing files from windows share is so 2006

with media in plex and small documents in the cloud there isn't much need for windows shares at home

i use plex all the time. i do like kodi for certain shows like old SNL episodes where i wanna bounce around the episode at warp speed and plex lags a ton with that

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

pram posted:

drop dead fred is an under-appreciated movie

whats ur favorite scene

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy
DDF is one of those movies that has like a 3% reviewer score and 98% audience score

pram
Jun 10, 2001

fishmech posted:

whats ur favorite scene

the other imaginary friends at the psychologists office

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Hoobastank4ever97 posted:

i'm not installing linux, friend. it's also being used as a gaming pc, and i'd like to have sound, as well as play games

I’m not sure why exactly you’d admit to being a white supremacist and expect people to continue helping you

have you checked with r/altrightwindowserver

Pierre Chaton
Sep 1, 2006

is software raid-5 on Win 10 a terrible idea?

pram
Jun 10, 2001
raid-5 is a terrible idea

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

Father Jack posted:

is software raid-5 on Win 10 a terrible idea?

what's your use case? I'd trust it over some poo poo promise "hardware" controller that's actually implementing everything through CPU via a questionable driver, but a proper used LSI card can be had for cheap on ebay

Pierre Chaton
Sep 1, 2006

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

what's your use case? I'd trust it over some poo poo promise "hardware" controller that's actually implementing everything through CPU via a questionable driver, but a proper used LSI card can be had for cheap on ebay

it's for an htpc that occasionally serves a file over my home network.

at the moment it's got aging to ancient drives as simple volumes. i'm thinking to buy 3 new platter drives at whatever the current capacity sweet spot is to replace them.

i could stick an lsi or such in there, but is there any point for that workload?

anything i really care about is well backed up. this is just avoiding hassle.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Father Jack posted:

it's for an htpc that occasionally serves a file over my home network.

did you miss the part where we had an extensive discussion on why that is a horrible, horrible idea

Father Jack posted:

at the moment it's got aging to ancient drives as simple volumes. i'm thinking to buy 3 new platter drives at whatever the current capacity sweet spot is to replace them.

i could stick an lsi or such in there, but is there any point for that workload?

anything i really care about is well backed up. this is just avoiding hassle.

raid 5 and raid 6 have "write holes" such that you will lose data if there is a power loss, which is why enterprise raid cards have battery backups on their (centralized) cache

additionally raid 5 has a very high chance of failure on rebuild. drives keep getting bigger, but the error rates stay the same. raid 6 is kind of a necessity if your drives are > 100 gb

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

renting an s3 glacier and throwing encrypted 7zip files at it every month or six has the advantages of being both cheaper than an adaptec card and being an actual backup medium

Pierre Chaton
Sep 1, 2006

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

did you miss the part where we had an extensive discussion on why that is a horrible, horrible idea

no, i saw it, but i've been happy enough with windows consumer networking for my very meagre home needs for more than 20 years now. it's fine for me.

i've got an msdn subscription. i've got spare hardware. i could have active directory at home for no cost to me if i wanted, but i don't. the basic version works just fine for the odd time i want to watch poirot in bed, or grab an iso over the network.

Notorious b.s.d. posted:


raid 5 and raid 6 have "write holes" such that you will lose data if there is a power loss, which is why enterprise raid cards have battery backups on their (centralized) cache

additionally raid 5 has a very high chance of failure on rebuild. drives keep getting bigger, but the error rates stay the same. raid 6 is kind of a necessity if your drives are > 100 gb

how about software raid 1? at the capacity i'm talking about more drives are cheaper than fancy controller cards.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Father Jack posted:

i've got an msdn subscription. i've got spare hardware. i could have active directory at home for no cost to me if i wanted, but i don't. the basic version works just fine for the odd time i want to watch poirot in bed, or grab an iso over the network.

install windows server you clod

(you might have to anyway to get lvm and software raid support. i think they removed that stuff from the consumer desktop sku at some point)

Father Jack posted:

how about software raid 1? at the capacity i'm talking about more drives are cheaper than fancy controller cards.

software raid 1 doesn't have the "write hole" problem

Pierre Chaton
Sep 1, 2006

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

install windows server you clod

(you might have to anyway to get lvm and software raid support. i think they removed that stuff from the consumer desktop sku at some point)

i suppose i mislead you by saying 'consumer'. i run enterprise n on everything now. i just still use basic file sharing as i always have.


Notorious b.s.d. posted:

software raid 1 doesn't have the "write hole" problem

not sure how much i care about things like write holes tbh. again, this is for my htpc, that is my music, movies and tv computer, not anything critical to anything. i'm just looking for a little redundancy for my :filez:

i was just wondering if the w10 software implementation of raid-5 was something to never consider under any circumstance, or if it might be fine for mine.

at the moment, everything is on simple volumes, so if one goes that's that. i guess i'm asking is the software raid-5 more likely to gently caress data up than give me a chance to save it in the event of a drive failure?

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Father Jack posted:

at the moment, everything is on simple volumes, so if one goes that's that. i guess i'm asking is the software raid-5 more likely to gently caress data up than give me a chance to save it in the event of a drive failure?

yes

raid 5 is poison

software raid 5 is poisoned dogshit

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

have you considered buying a synology

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Father Jack posted:

i suppose i mislead you by saying 'consumer'. i run enterprise n on everything now. i just still use basic file sharing as i always have.

you have msdn anyway why the gently caress would you not use server on a device that you expressly wish to use as a file server

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
Im pretty sure W10 Workstation would still have soft raid even if it was dropped from Pro?

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

Father Jack posted:

it's for an htpc that occasionally serves a file over my home network.

at the moment it's got aging to ancient drives as simple volumes. i'm thinking to buy 3 new platter drives at whatever the current capacity sweet spot is to replace them.

i could stick an lsi or such in there, but is there any point for that workload?

anything i really care about is well backed up. this is just avoiding hassle.

get a synology

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

yes

raid 5 is poison

software raid 5 is poisoned dogshit

lol it's a loving media share that almost never gets written to, get off your high horse

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

lol it's a loving media share that almost never gets written to, get off your high horse

the poison isn't the write speed. everyone knows the write speeds are poor, that's just the deal when you sign up for raid 5 or raid 6.

the dogshit is the write hole

the poison in the dogshit is the failure rate on rebuild

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Schadenboner posted:

Im pretty sure W10 Workstation would still have soft raid even if it was dropped from Pro?

probably some dynamic disk support yeah

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the poison isn't the write speed. everyone knows the write speeds are poor, that's just the deal when you sign up for raid 5 or raid 6.

the dogshit is the write hole

the poison in the dogshit is the failure rate on rebuild

you don't have a write hole if you're barely ever writing anything to it. and your "failure rate on rebuild" are non-recoverable reads on blocks which means maybe one file gets corrupted during rebuild. it's a home media server, not an enterprise cms.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

you don't have a write hole if you're barely ever writing anything to it. and your "failure rate on rebuild" are non-recoverable reads on blocks which means maybe one file gets corrupted during rebuild. it's a home media server, not an enterprise cms.

we're not talking about disk sectors here. you're not going to corrupt "one file"

losing a random megabyte or two of your disk can touch a lot of files, include directory entries, etc.

(and odds are, it's gonna be more than one block)

Pierre Chaton
Sep 1, 2006

Captain Foo posted:

have you considered buying a synology

yes i have, but the vast majority of the use of this computer is media playback, and i'd prefer local drives for that. i'm not ruling it out, but i'd prefer local drives.


Notorious b.s.d. posted:

you have msdn anyway why the gently caress would you not use server on a device that you expressly wish to use as a file server

i should run server on an htpc because i share the drives and occasionally transfer a file?

should i run server on everything?

i get that you come from a background where data is critical, but dude, we're talking about me occasionally watching a movie in bed, or pulling an office iso to another machine

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BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

you really need to learn acceptable risk instead of insisting every single hobbyist htpc be spec'd the same as an oracle db server

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