Red Bones posted:Did online nerds being angry and awful come before the 2000s "angry internet review nerd" shtick, or did that review culture make the nerds worse? It feels like a real chicken and egg situation. I think some of the toxicity can be traced to 90s gaming magazines. I didn't know this at the time because I only read Nintendo Power, but they were all horribly misogynistic, hateful "edgy" rags. That culture then moved online when the magazines folded.
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Piell posted:The video is worse. https://twitter.com/GavelBroken/status/1151490770718924800 Indeed, you'd think Nick would have been smart enough to watch the video beforehand but no. Apparently this is all off the cuff. Also Vic is trash. I mean, like, even more so.
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Lurdiak posted:I think some of the toxicity can be traced to 90s gaming magazines. I didn't know this at the time because I only read Nintendo Power, but they were all horribly misogynistic, hateful "edgy" rags. That culture then moved online when the magazines folded. I may have brought this up in this very thread but Wizard/Toyfare had a lot of the same edge. I’ll never forget an ad in one issue for a DBZ/Sailor Moon crossover that confused me for years when I never saw it mentioned again, turns out that was out and out fanmade porn.
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Lurdiak posted:I think some of the toxicity can be traced to 90s gaming magazines. I didn't know this at the time because I only read Nintendo Power, but they were all horribly misogynistic, hateful "edgy" rags. That culture then moved online when the magazines folded.
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Jul 17, 2019 15:53
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The 90s can pretty much be characterized as "It's funny to be an rear end in a top hat!" probably as a pushback against increasing calls for various social actions- particularly environmentalism and feminism, but alsoa LOT of "think of the children!" style moral majority weirdness and calls to censor everything. Like the gators' persecution delusion of SJWs coming to take away all the video game titties? That was actually a risk in that decade, only it was coming from the government and fundamentalist lobbies. Which is another reason why that whole movement looks absolutely pathetic in its terror of censorship.
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Lurdiak posted:I think some of the toxicity can be traced to 90s gaming magazines. I didn't know this at the time because I only read Nintendo Power, but they were all horribly misogynistic, hateful "edgy" rags. That culture then moved online when the magazines folded. John Romero is going to make you his bitch.
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Jul 17, 2019 16:43
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Bimbos of the Death Sun was a book all about how ludicrously toxic sci-fi/fantasy fandom was, and came out in 1988. Nerds have always been awful.
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Darth Walrus posted:Bimbos of the Death Sun was a book all about how ludicrously toxic sci-fi/fantasy fandom was, and came out in 1988. Nerds have always been awful. *Gestures vaguely at Gor*
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Flytrap posted:James legit seems to be one of the nicest fuckers ever, it's a shame he inspired so many shitheels. I used to loving love AVGN, but I lost a lot of respect last year when he endorsed one of those ultra-lovely P2W mobile games. Age of Clans or Clash of Sperglords or something.
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Gynovore posted:I used to loving love AVGN, but I lost a lot of respect last year when he endorsed one of those ultra-lovely P2W mobile games. Age of Clans or Clash of Sperglords or something. Guy's got two kids to feed, my dude.
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If Vic had just quietly gone away for awhile and stopped going to cons he could probably have gotten more jobs voice acting after a bit, but he's never going to be able to work as a voice actor again now. Especially since he tried to sue Funimation in addition to the women he assaulted. https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1151509264017571843
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Gynovore posted:I used to loving love AVGN, but I lost a lot of respect last year when he endorsed one of those ultra-lovely P2W mobile games. Age of Clans or Clash of Sperglords or something. His older daughter incurred a lot of medical bills. If Rolfe was selling heroin, all I could do is nod in understanding.
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In America in 2019, anything an artist does to get paid results in me nodding in understanding.
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Jesus christ they're idiots. https://twitter.com/FCDallasMom2/status/1151551418316337153 Edit: https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1151580282518212609 Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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In before somebody on Vic's side tries to spin it as Ty playing the long game.
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https://twitter.com/snubpollard/status/1151581509201158144
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Can someone like...tl;dr all this lawsuit stuff that this thread is always talking about as if I'm a literal child? Every time I look in here there seems to be a big deal about someone who's a big idiot as far as I can tell but I can't parse any of it.
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BrianWilly posted:Can someone like...tl;dr all this lawsuit stuff that this thread is always talking about as if I'm a literal child? Every time I look in here there seems to be a big deal about someone who's a big idiot as far as I can tell but I can't parse any of it. Voice Actor for Edward Elric is a sex pest. Tried to sue the people who accused him of such and the company he formerly worked for for defamation. Proceeded to poo poo all over himself repeatedly while his lawyer did the same.
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In the threatening letter his lawyers sent out they claimed calling him a piece of poo poo was defamatory because he's a human being and not literal feces.
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Magnificent.  thanks
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:I may have brought this up in this very thread but Wizard/Toyfare had a lot of the same edge. I’ll never forget an ad in one issue for a DBZ/Sailor Moon crossover that confused me for years when I never saw it mentioned again, turns out that was out and out fanmade porn. Sailor and the Seven Balls. Never seen it, but I very much remember it. 
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BrianWilly posted:Magnificent. Today a deposition leaked where he misunderstood a question and admitted to hiring hookers.
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Vince MechMahon posted:Today a deposition leaked where he misunderstood a question and admitted to hiring hookers. Yeah, I posted that. Also, one of the "defamatory allegations" was that he pulled a girls head back by her hair and whispered something horrible to a woman (girl? I don't remember how old she was at the time of the incident) and he confirmed in deposition that he pulled her head back by her hair.
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But those aren't even the best parts! Through deposition ether Vic, Beard, or both have-- Conceded that there is no defamation. Conceded that there is no damages caused by any possible defamation. Admitted that Vic isn't actually sure what he's suing for. Admitted that Vic doesn't know where the money is coming from or how anything is getting paid for. Admitted that if his lawyer and his nephew are ripping off a bunch of kids, well, that's not HIS problem. Admitted to trying to talk a pair of twins into a 3-way. Admitted several times that Vic is a public figure (he's supposed to be trying NOT to do that since Public Figures have much, much higher standards of evidence to meet to sue someone). Seriously this has been a shitshow so blatant that even a layman can see the fuckups. Current bet is that everything is going to be thrown out and then Vic is going to get hit with an anti-SLAPP and forced to pay all the legal fees of everyone involved. Did I mention that the Defendants have hired about 4-5 agencies between them, some of the best and most expensive legal teams in the state of Texas? So that's a fuckload of money right there.
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Flytrap posted:Did I mention that the Defendants have hired about 4-5 agencies between them, some of the best and most expensive legal teams in the state of Texas? So that's a fuckload of money right there. Also Ty Beard's law firm has never done defamation work before. This is understandable as defamation is very hard to prove ('malice' versus 'actual malice' from what little I've gathered following this), but you don't have to dig too deep to see that Vic's firm doesn't have a talent for it. It came out Vic tried to get at least one other law firm before his current one and they turned the case down.
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https://twitter.com/GavelBroken/status/1151831828791271425?s=20 "Yes, my Lawsuit is to be against Public Participation. It's pretty Strategic, if I may say so."
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Vandar posted:Sailor and the Seven Balls. Never seen it, but I very much remember it. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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Lunatic Sledge posted:James iirc was actually parodying a few other reviewers he'd seen, he just became more prominent than what he was aping (like how my old roommate had seen Dracula Dead & Loving It but had never seen Bram Stroker's Dracula)
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I am astonished how active these #istandwithvic guys are. You can't look at a Funimation Facebook or Twitter post (This includes Funi voice actors from DBZ, etc.) without a mass of replies saying how disappointed they are or how unprofessional every voice actor who has spoken out against Vic has been. I know anime fans can be pretty hardcore, but to go against one of the biggest localizers and the biggest voices... all of the sake of one mediocre voice actor? I get that it's probably more CHUD bullshit than anime fans, but their persistence over this is pretty surprising to me.
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Mr. Glum posted:I am astonished how active these #istandwithvic guys are. You can't look at a Funimation Facebook or Twitter post (This includes Funi voice actors from DBZ, etc.) without a mass of replies saying how disappointed they are or how unprofessional every voice actor who has spoken out against Vic has been. If you're surprised that some of the most hardcore anime fans are misogynistic fuckheads with tendencies to support the guy they wish they could be, I don't know what to tell you.
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Mr. Glum posted:I am astonished how active these #istandwithvic guys are. You can't look at a Funimation Facebook or Twitter post (This includes Funi voice actors from DBZ, etc.) without a mass of replies saying how disappointed they are or how unprofessional every voice actor who has spoken out against Vic has been. A lot of that is burner accounts. Others just bandwagoning. The rest is as Kurui says.
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Vandar posted:Sailor and the Seven Balls. Never seen it, but I very much remember it. The Gundam gives the Eva Unit 1 a reach around. Somehow it only gets worse.
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Mr. Glum posted:I am astonished how active these #istandwithvic guys are. You can't look at a Funimation Facebook or Twitter post (This includes Funi voice actors from DBZ, etc.) without a mass of replies saying how disappointed they are or how unprofessional every voice actor who has spoken out against Vic has been. It's just the CHUDiverse just latching on to yet another horrible person like they did with CG and GG.
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Out of all the evidence of actual appalling abuse in the Vic Mignogna stuff, there's no need or reason to tee hee about him hiring a sex worker. If it was a consensual paid transaction between two adults, who cares? Stigmatizing people frequenting sex workers stigmatizes sex workers, which is crummy. He's a violently misogynistic abuser and pedophile, why bury the lede?
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mrfreeze posted:The Gundam gives the Eva Unit 1 a reach around. Somehow it only gets worse. I have questions that I don't want answered. Archyduchess posted:Out of all the evidence of actual appalling abuse in the Vic Mignogna stuff, there's no need or reason to tee hee about him hiring a sex worker. If it was a consensual paid transaction between two adults, who cares? Stigmatizing people frequenting sex workers stigmatizes sex workers, which is crummy. He's a violently misogynistic abuser and pedophile, why bury the lede? Agreed.
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Archyduchess posted:Out of all the evidence of actual appalling abuse in the Vic Mignogna stuff, there's no need or reason to tee hee about him hiring a sex worker. If it was a consensual paid transaction between two adults, who cares? Stigmatizing people frequenting sex workers stigmatizes sex workers, which is crummy. He's a violently misogynistic abuser and pedophile, why bury the lede? I don't care about the fact of him hiring prostitutes (assuming they were adults), I just think it's funny that he admitted it when it wasn't even the question he was asked. Also, I don't remember if one of the defamation claims was people saying he hired prostitutes, but if it was that part of the lawsuit can be thrown out.
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Archyduchess posted:Out of all the evidence of actual appalling abuse in the Vic Mignogna stuff, there's no need or reason to tee hee about him hiring a sex worker. If it was a consensual paid transaction between two adults, who cares? Stigmatizing people frequenting sex workers stigmatizes sex workers, which is crummy. He's a violently misogynistic abuser and pedophile, why bury the lede? Because he’s a hypocrite. He claims to be an upstanding, moral, hardcore Christian. But he also hires hookers. I’m drat well going to call him on that bullshit.
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Skwirl posted:I don't care about the fact of him hiring prostitutes (assuming they were adults), I just think it's funny that he admitted it when it wasn't even the question he was asked. Also, I don't remember if one of the defamation claims was people saying he hired prostitutes, but if it was that part of the lawsuit can be thrown out. Yeah it'd be just as funny if instead of admitting to hiring sex workers, he admitted to buying weed or something. He just kinda confessed to a crime during a lawsuit that he initiated. ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Jul 19, 2019 |
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I'm going to presume people are talking in good faith so I'll just point out that "hooker" is considered a slur by most sex workers.
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Archyduchess posted:I'm going to presume people are talking in good faith so I'll just point out that "hooker" is considered a slur by most sex workers. Is whore also a slur? I assume prostitute is what they prefer being called? Genuine question, is the preferred terminology just "sex worker?"
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