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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

PT6A posted:

Are you okay above the clouds, and it’s just in them that you feel uncomfortable? If so, that’s quite natural. The loss of visual reference to just what the gently caress is going on is one of the biggest issues with instrument flying, because without outside vision, your body is susceptible to a number of rather scary illusions. In the cockpit, of course, we have instruments to tell ourselves what’s real and what’s our brain being a fucker (and training yourself to recognize that your brain is a fucker and the instruments are telling you the truth is the real sticky wicket of initial instrument training).

Is there a mobile app that provides synthetic vision to passengers to avoid this? Seems like it could make a decent bit of money.

I'm usually ok above the clouds. When we go through them I can't look outside because it would give me motion sickness (i.e. I can see we are going really fast, but I feel like we are barely moving, whereas above the clouds I don't have any close point of reference to cause this conflict). I still don't like going through them though. Even without looking out, you still have that sense (especially if it's bright out, as the cabin will darken a bit when going through them).

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KodiakRS
Jul 11, 2012

:stonk:

actionjackson posted:

thanks, though that's quite expensive ($100/year). I would only need it once or twice a year.

On a related note, do commercial pilots report clear air turbulence? If so do other pilots avoid these areas, or is it something that's so unpredictable that there's no point?

While we won't actively file pilot reports for light chop or turbulence we typically ask air traffic controllers about how smooth the ride is when we check in with a new controller, which happens about every 15 minutes or so in cruise. They'll let us know what sort of turbulence other pilots are encountering and give us suggestions on how to avoid it. When you start talking about moderate turbulence then pilots or ATC will generate and official pirep and start actively warning other pilots about it. You can have the fanciest app in the world but there's no substitute for a pilot on the other end of the radio telling you how turbulent it is. As far as avoiding it, we will try to make the ride as smooth as possible but sometimes that's just not feasible due to ATC routing, the airplane being too heavy to climb out of it, traffic congestion, ect.

P.S. Delta has a reputation for whining about turbulence to the point where it's become a bit of a meme

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

yellowD posted:

There are 100 ways to gently caress up your roundout and you'll do each and every one. And then one days everything clicks.

Yeah, pretty much.

The pre-solo process, from an instructor's perspective, is to triage the issues and correct the safety-critical issues, then the issues that could lead to a safety issue, and then the actual comfort of the landing. If you smack that thing hard on to the runway three times in a row, after safe approaches, with the nosewheel in the air and pointed straight down the runway on the centreline, I'm sending you solo. You can work on finesse solo. If you give me three soft landings, halfway between the centreline and the runway edge with a questionable flare? We'll go dual some more, because that's how you get a porpoise followed by a propstrike, or a runway excursion.

It's a bit difficult because students will naturally focus on the softness of the touchdown, while ignoring their position on the runway, their approach speed and profile, and their flare. A soft, flat landing, or a nice landing after an unstable approach, is much more concerning to me than firmly planting that fucker on the mains after a beautiful approach.

yellowD
Mar 7, 2007

I've really been enjoying how everything coming together

Yesterday was too much crosswind and gust to solo, but we worked on short / soft field, which ended up being super fun. Evidently I can set it down, on centerline, with some crosswind, at a marking of my CFI's choosing. Soft field takeoffs were cool too, and it's such a huge contrast to my memory of learning to takeoff. Like there's so much more time. It went from 'full power, poo poo, flying' to 'Centerline, gauges look good, bit of wind correction, centerline, gauges, time to fly now'

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
Passed my recurrent and upgraded to ATP today

Two amazing things I heard:

“You’re a great stick.”

“I’d put my family in the plane with you. Hell I’d put my dog in the plane with you.”

I know I’m bragging but I’m totally elated. There’s no feeling like passing an important check.

E: now my brain is shutting down for the day.

Rolo fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jul 14, 2019

Animal
Apr 8, 2003

woohoo congrats!!!

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

Rolo posted:

Passed my recurrent and upgraded to ATP today


“I’d put my family in the plane with you. Hell I’d put my dog in the plane with you.”

Nice. Good job dude, being told you're worthy of flying the family pet is seriously the best honor

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

KodiakRS posted:

P.S. Delta has a reputation for whining about turbulence to the point where it's become a bit of a meme

I’ve briefed other controllers that there’s only turbulence in the airspace for airplanes with Delta painted on the tail.

It’s doubly annoying for us, since south Florida is essentially occasional light chop at all altitudes like, 360 days a year. The constant whining about some light chop or turbulence is extremely frequency-intensive, often (always) when I really have better things to do with that frequency time. If you’re getting moderate or worse lemme know, otherwise leave the damned belt sign on and leave me alone when I’m busy. Delta is absolutely the worst at this.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
I may or may not be guilty of occasionally checking in with “delta smooth”

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

At least one of the legacies is overly concerned about passenger comfort instead of beating up passengers and dragging them off the plane or killing dogs.

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

hobbesmaster posted:

At least one of the legacies is overly concerned about passenger comfort instead of beating up passengers and dragging them off the plane or killing dogs.

It’s good to see an airline worry about the comfort of its passengers rather than meowing on guard the entire time. Or spending the entire flight yelling at people meowing on guard.

Nothing like telling a controller that they were stepped on when it’s a cat on guard.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

hobbesmaster posted:

At least one of the legacies is overly concerned about passenger comfort instead of beating up passengers and dragging them off the plane or killing dogs.

Also, I think pilots and flight crew, even probably most frequent travellers, get so used to turbulence that we can forget how uncomfortable and scary it is for some people. Obviously it can't be avoided entirely, but there are worse things in this world than trying to take those passengers' comfort into consideration.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
Counterpoint: If you’re getting light chop and you’re clearly not on a boundary layer, chances are there’s light chop everywhere at all altitudes, asking if there’s better rides like the last half dozen people that asked isn’t going to change that.

simble
May 11, 2004

To be fair, they're probably new on frequency and don't actually know that the last half dozen asked. They could probably assume it though.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

e.pilot posted:

Counterpoint: If you’re getting light chop and you’re clearly not on a boundary layer, chances are there’s light chop everywhere at all altitudes, asking if there’s better rides like the last half dozen people that asked isn’t going to change that.

Which is better; constantly reporting light chop or being the self appointed guard police?

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

e.pilot posted:

Counterpoint: If you’re getting light chop and you’re clearly not on a boundary layer, chances are there’s light chop everywhere at all altitudes, asking if there’s better rides like the last half dozen people that asked isn’t going to change that.

I’ve literally had a Delta flight crew break in between transmissions to ask about the ride while I’m working an engine-out emergency.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

simble posted:

To be fair, they're probably new on frequency and don't actually know that the last half dozen asked. They could probably assume it though.

My flight training materials say that you should always spend a minute or so on a new frequency listening to the calls before you make any of your own, because you can probably pick up info like the active runway or any weird weather that way and avoid cluttering up the airwaves.

Surely airline pilots, having the most advanced training, follow these basic principles?

e: I personally like Delta as a passenger

simble
May 11, 2004

The reality is you check in as soon as you hear a break with no obvious readback coming. They also are not occupying the same space or route as the other aircraft, generally.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

PT6A posted:

Also, I think pilots and flight crew, even probably most frequent travellers, get so used to turbulence that we can forget how uncomfortable and scary it is for some people. Obviously it can't be avoided entirely, but there are worse things in this world than trying to take those passengers' comfort into consideration.

Yeah, if you guys knew how I feel when turbulence hits you'd probably understand :)

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


Speaking of light chop, went flying again today. I thought it was pretty bumpy, my instructor laughed and said it was maybe a 2/10 day. Flew into some rain and around some big thunderstorms, which was kinda cool. Also managed to land the plane without dying a few times (bounced the first one pretty good though).

A lot of stuff has transferred really well from decades of flying sims, like the general "what is this thing and what does it do" and "how do airplanes generally not fall out of the sky and move places". The physical feel is, of course, just completely new, but I think I'm starting to get the hang of it.

AWSEFT
Apr 28, 2006

Sagebrush posted:

My flight training materials say that you should always spend a minute or so on a new frequency listening to the calls before you make any of your own, because you can probably pick up info like the active runway or any weird weather that way and avoid cluttering up the airwaves.

Surely airline pilots, having the most advanced training, follow these basic principles?

e: I personally like Delta as a passenger

Nothing pisses me off more than guys who flip and click immediately. I always spend at least a 20 count before saying anything.

As for Widget, it isn't even a problem that the report ANY chop, its that they'll say its moderate when it isn't. Their pilots need to read the loving definition of moderate chop. Guys at my company have done it as well but they are a whole different level.

/Wind check!

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...
What do you guys recommend for a GPS or GPS/ADS-B receiver?

I have a WiFi only iPad (no GPS) so I've always just used Foreflight on my phone. I want to be able to use my iPad when I start flying again (T-6B ground school/sims almost complete!!!), so I was shopping for a bluetooth GPS receiver. From what it looks like, I can get the Stratux GPS/ADS-B for not much more than a normal GPS receiver only it looks kinda chunky and my cockpit real estate is going to be limited in the T-6. I don't need weather or traffic alerts but it'd be nice. Do you guys have any recommendations for GPS or GPS/ADS-B receivers?

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'

Bob A Feet posted:

What do you guys recommend for a GPS or GPS/ADS-B receiver?

I have a WiFi only iPad (no GPS) so I've always just used Foreflight on my phone. I want to be able to use my iPad when I start flying again (T-6B ground school/sims almost complete!!!), so I was shopping for a bluetooth GPS receiver. From what it looks like, I can get the Stratux GPS/ADS-B for not much more than a normal GPS receiver only it looks kinda chunky and my cockpit real estate is going to be limited in the T-6. I don't need weather or traffic alerts but it'd be nice. Do you guys have any recommendations for GPS or GPS/ADS-B receivers?

I like my stratux but yeah, it's chunky, although it doesn't have to be right next to you. I mount mine on the window behind me.

two_beer_bishes
Jun 27, 2004

Bob A Feet posted:

What do you guys recommend for a GPS or GPS/ADS-B receiver?

I have a WiFi only iPad (no GPS) so I've always just used Foreflight on my phone. I want to be able to use my iPad when I start flying again (T-6B ground school/sims almost complete!!!), so I was shopping for a bluetooth GPS receiver. From what it looks like, I can get the Stratux GPS/ADS-B for not much more than a normal GPS receiver only it looks kinda chunky and my cockpit real estate is going to be limited in the T-6. I don't need weather or traffic alerts but it'd be nice. Do you guys have any recommendations for GPS or GPS/ADS-B receivers?

I have a stratux and I don't go anywhere without it. I use the suction cups to attach it to a window behind me and it stays there for weeks at a time. I carry a spare sd card with the software installed because I've had it get corrupted while on the road and it's a pain to fix if you aren't prepared for it.

Daedalus1134
Sep 14, 2005

They see me rollin'


PT6A posted:

Awesome! Flying is, in fact, loving excellent and there’s no reason I would put up with my job if it weren’t.

[More good stuff]

Hello, I've also been lurking this thread for the past few weeks and thanks for this. I just started on a private license about a month ago out of Boeing Field, through Galvin. It's good to hear from people talking honestly from the other seat, and reassuring from your stories that I am far from the worst new pilot out there. It's been easy going so far, but talking to the tower is still stressful while trying to keep situational awareness.

Super excited to keep at it though. Just kicking myself that I waited as long as I did to start.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.
Today, while holding short, a Cirrus came in. From his communications with the tower it sounded like he wasn't local. Just after he touched down:

"Tower, Cirrus 1234Z, I can submit a PIREP for low-level wind shear there, ten knots loss on short final."
"34Z, standby....ah...you said ten knots just as you came over the fence?"
"Affirm"
"34Z, that's normal conditions for the field."
"Really? It was pretty abrupt..."
"That's a normal effect here because of that four-story building to the left of 30."
"...oh. Well, I hope they enjoy the view."

Made me feel a little smug about flying some pretty solid approaches in the same conditions in my little 152

TidePods4Lunch
Apr 24, 2005
You can't kill me, I'm made out of invincible!

Bob A Feet posted:

What do you guys recommend for a GPS or GPS/ADS-B receiver?

I have a WiFi only iPad (no GPS) so I've always just used Foreflight on my phone. I want to be able to use my iPad when I start flying again (T-6B ground school/sims almost complete!!!), so I was shopping for a bluetooth GPS receiver. From what it looks like, I can get the Stratux GPS/ADS-B for not much more than a normal GPS receiver only it looks kinda chunky and my cockpit real estate is going to be limited in the T-6. I don't need weather or traffic alerts but it'd be nice. Do you guys have any recommendations for GPS or GPS/ADS-B receivers?

T-6B instructor here (Whiting). It seems like most people bite the bullet and get an IPad mini 2/4/5 with GPS simply due to the fact that external receivers take up too much space. I have a Straux I built for CCX and summer instrument flights for weather and traffic but it’s pretty much a no-go on contact/aero flights. It simply doesn’t fit anywhere except between the canopy rail and glare shield. Even then, if the GPS antenna isn’t aimed right, I get worse GPS positioning than my IPad GPS gives me. The IPad GPS is worth it’s weight in gold when you need to get an approach at home or a nearby field during a contact flight due to a pop up storm. It’s only half a joke that most IPs consider their IPad minimum equipment for flight...

TidePods4Lunch fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Jul 17, 2019

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

LessThanWilly posted:

T-6B instructor here (Whiting). It seems like most people bite the bullet and get an IPad mini 2/4/5 with GPS simply due to the fact that external receivers take up too much space. I have a Straux I built for CCX and summer instrument flights for weather and traffic but it’s pretty much a no-go on contact/aero flights. It simply doesn’t fit anywhere except between the canopy rail and glare shield. Even then, if the GPS antenna isn’t aimed right, I get worse GPS positioning than my IPad GPS gives me. The IPad GPS is worth it’s weight in gold when you need to get an approach at home or a nearby field during a contact flight due to a pop up storm. It’s only half a joke that most IPs consider their IPad minimum equipment for flight...

Thanks man! I appreciate this opinion. I was going to ask around the FITU but I’ve been stuck in the computer classes for the past week. Do you have an iPad kneeboard or do you just use the g suit strap?

NightGyr
Mar 7, 2005
I � Unicode
Too much cuteness
https://mobile.twitter.com/SafiaAnisa/status/1149908933684822016

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


wasn't expecting something that wholesome out of twitter :sun:

TidePods4Lunch
Apr 24, 2005
You can't kill me, I'm made out of invincible!

Bob A Feet posted:

Thanks man! I appreciate this opinion. I was going to ask around the FITU but I’ve been stuck in the computer classes for the past week. Do you have an iPad kneeboard or do you just use the g suit strap?

I bought this:
https://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/ipad-air-rotating-kneeboard.html

This:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B017VYC4M4/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0149F5EIE/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And this for long leg/multiple flights:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01LC3L03E?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

Good poo poo. Thanks man!

AWSEFT
Apr 28, 2006

Bob A Feet posted:

What do you guys recommend for a GPS or GPS/ADS-B receiver?

I have a WiFi only iPad (no GPS) so I've always just used Foreflight on my phone. I want to be able to use my iPad when I start flying again (T-6B ground school/sims almost complete!!!), so I was shopping for a bluetooth GPS receiver. From what it looks like, I can get the Stratux GPS/ADS-B for not much more than a normal GPS receiver only it looks kinda chunky and my cockpit real estate is going to be limited in the T-6. I don't need weather or traffic alerts but it'd be nice. Do you guys have any recommendations for GPS or GPS/ADS-B receivers?

My company supplies an iPad with cellular (and GPS) however service is spotty in the plane. I bought a Bad Elf and now I always have location in Jepp/WSI.

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI
Allow me to be classic Apollo here.

Don’t get anything less than an iPad with cell ability. When iPads first came out I didn’t the WiFi only and a bad elf god receiver. It was fine, but a PITA.

One less thing to keep charged. One less thing to get overheated and reboot.

I use iPad mini and stratus 2s. If my stratus dies, I still have good gos signal lock in my part of the world.

KodiakRS
Jul 11, 2012

:stonk:
There have been people in this thread recently that have expressed a fear/concern of flying. If you are one of those people do not watch this video:

The recreation of the Air Niugini 737 that landed in the water short of a runway a while back has been posted. Complete with cellphone video of the crash shot by someone in the jumpseat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCKMFjvAV0o

Some food for thought:

-Approach was stable until about 800' where the V/S drops off for some reason and they drift about 1 dot high on the G/S
-Following autopilot disconnect at roughly 600' the V/S increases to 1000FPM and remains between 1000FPM and 1500FPM until impact
-My guess is the captain lowered the nose upon AP disconnect and then began looking outside for the hard-to-see runway and lost SA
-At minimums the FO calls the PAPI in sight so they technically were legal to continue below minimums, at least until they lost sight of the runway or became unstable (V/S over 1000FPM)

-There were 3 people in that cockpit, all of whom should have called for a go around, none of whom did.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.
So they ignored at least 10 warning callouts and didn't appear to even glance at their GSI when the computer started saying "glide slope"

Is that some kind of alarm fatigue? Like is it common to have the computer warning you about your glideslope throughout the whole approach, so you tune it out?

KodiakRS
Jul 11, 2012

:stonk:

Sagebrush posted:

So they ignored at least 10 warning callouts and didn't appear to even glance at their GSI when the computer started saying "glide slope"

Is that some kind of alarm fatigue? Like is it common to have the computer warning you about your glideslope throughout the whole approach, so you tune it out?

At very low altitudes, less than about 200', the glide slope becomes so sensitive that even small deviations below it will trigger a glideslope caution. If you're landing on a short runway it's not uncommon for pilots to "duck" the glideslope a little bit to land earlier in the touchdown zone which sometimes triggers a single "glideslope" aural caution. Doing this in low visibility, or to the extent seen in this video, is a very bad idea and not that common for obvious reasons.

My guess is that this wasn't so much fatigue as it was:

*minimums*
"Ok runway is in sight...wait where did the PAPI go? Oh I'll just hold pitch/power for a second until I get them back"
*glideslope*
"Ok I'm low but as soon as I get the papi back I'll just fly them"
*glideslope/sinkrate*
"Where the gently caress did the runway go?"
*glideslope glideslope*
"Wait....what the gently caress is going on?"
*splash*

I'd bet a lot of money that the pilot knew they were low but had lost SA and didn't realize just how fast they were coming down or how low they already were. They probably thought the glide slope warning was the "ducking the slope" level of warning and not "You're about to land in the ocean."

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Hey students, if at any time you feel your instructor could be frustrated with you, just remind them they could be doing a rental/insurance checkout for an affluent middle age white man blessed with all the self-awareness of a goose (yet sadly none of the flying skill) and they’ll likely perk right up.

Your previous hours, license and experience are worth a total of jack poo poo if you don’t stay proficient, and if I need to explain this to one more jackoff prospective renter I will lose my mind.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
Man instructing as a hobby is so much more fun. I’m going to talk to the local aero club tomorrow to see if they want a part time guy. :3:

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CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it



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