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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Fixing most of the problems with American federal government at this point is going to require just ignoring parts of the Constitution and getting enough people and states to go along with it, or short of that civil war. That goes for the electoral college as much as anything else. Well, the original constitutional convention was also wildly illegal, so it's not really that hare-brained.
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Mayor Pete hired former Goldman Sachs exec for National Policy Director https://twitter.com/brendengallager/status/1152276204851851265 theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Jul 20, 2019 00:55
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theblackw0lf posted:Mayor Pete hired former Goldman Sachs exec for National Policy Director Man, just witness the powers of ~*systems thinking*~ on display here.
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Jul 20, 2019 01:10
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Fixing most of the problems with American federal government at this point is going to require just ignoring parts of the Constitution and getting enough people and states to go along with it, or short of that civil war. That goes for the electoral college as much as anything else. Which states do you imagine the top 10 blue states by population are?
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Jul 20, 2019 01:42
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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1151888865319378946 Biden is not electable.
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Jul 20, 2019 01:45
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We're not electing someone with an identical twin to the presidency. I'm not going to have you doing shennanigans in the white house! get out of here booker! you too castro!
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Jul 20, 2019 01:48
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Judakel posted:https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1151888865319378946 Nice to see Bernie's is ticking downward - slowly, but it was already a pretty low number to begin with.
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Jul 20, 2019 01:48
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Majorian posted:Nice to see Bernie's is ticking downward - slowly, but it was already a pretty low number to begin with. It sad to see so many people falling for the con that is the Warren campaign, but her plan of throwing everything at the wall to see what stinks is working.
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Jul 20, 2019 01:49
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Oh Snapple! posted:The telling point (well, on top of the actual details, anyway) that this was a bad faith leak is that they went to WaPo, the paper probably most hostile to Bernie and with a material interest in tearing him down, with it. I’d be willing to bet if this was any other campaign, you’d jump all over it and say it’s the most evil thing on the planet, instead of making excuses like you did just now. Bernie is good. Doesn’t mean he’s perfect. Hopefully they do the right thing.
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Jul 20, 2019 02:20
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Judakel posted:It sad to see so many people falling for the con that is the Warren campaign, but her plan of throwing everything at the wall to see what stinks is working. I think Warren supporters are overrepresented on this forum and in political internet spaces in general, since her support among younger people disproportionately comes from more well-off whites.
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Jul 20, 2019 02:26
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Jul 20, 2019 02:29
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This will be for Yang what "I LOVE SEGREGATIONISTS!!!" has been for Biden.
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Jul 20, 2019 02:36
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generic one posted:I’d be willing to bet if this was any other campaign, you’d jump all over it and say it’s the most evil thing on the planet, instead of making excuses like you did just now. This is nonsense. Every other campaign has unpaid positions. No other campaign is unionized. If the worst that we could say about, say, the Warren campaign was that after an increase in hours, salaried people were making a little less than 15 an hour and were asking for more and waiting for the campaign's response, I'd say that'd be pretty good. Instead, on one hand we have a very matter of fact, straight reporting that the Warren campaign uses a loophole to have unpaid staff positions, and on the other, labor "troubles roil" the Sanders campaign because he is only a lot better than every other campaign, rather than perfect.
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Jul 20, 2019 02:53
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generic one posted:I’d be willing to bet if this was any other campaign, you’d jump all over it and say it’s the most evil thing on the planet, instead of making excuses like you did just now. Nobody else is even paying their campaigns what Sanders is, much less unionizing them. Stop believing WAPO, they are a Murdoch level paper during Democratic primaries.
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Jul 20, 2019 02:54
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The biggest story in that article is that when hours went up and the campaign offered a 6k raise to compensate, our insane healthcare system made the raise not worth it.
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Jul 20, 2019 03:05
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 fire all obama-era photographers after whoever wins. these photos all suck rear end and they look 2008 as gently caress.
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Jul 20, 2019 03:15
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Oh Snapple! posted:The biggest story in that article is that when hours went up and the campaign offered a 6k raise to compensate, our insane healthcare system made the raise not worth it. not really, the only reason they would have to pay more is because of the numbers they initially agreed upon. these workers would like the campaign to raise the cutoff to 60k/yr to avoid putting them in this situation, which management could do.. whenever they want to, really. then, a raise to 42k/yr salary would leave field organizers actually making 15/hr with the current mandatory overtime required of them
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Jul 20, 2019 03:31
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Oh Snapple! posted:The biggest story in that article is that when hours went up and the campaign offered a 6k raise to compensate, our insane healthcare system made the raise not worth it. Nonsense posted:Nobody else is even paying their campaigns what Sanders is, much less unionizing them. Stop believing WAPO, they are a Murdoch level paper during Democratic primaries. joepinetree posted:This is nonsense. Every other campaign has unpaid positions. No other campaign is unionized. If the worst that we could say about, say, the Warren campaign was that after an increase in hours, salaried people were making a little less than 15 an hour and were asking for more and waiting for the campaign's response, I'd say that'd be pretty good. Instead, on one hand we have a very matter of fact, straight reporting that the Warren campaign uses a loophole to have unpaid staff positions, and on the other, labor "troubles roil" the Sanders campaign because he is only a lot better than every other campaign, rather than perfect. Aaaaannnd there it is! Right on time! Attacking other campaigns, moving goalposts, giving excuses why this shouldn’t be discussed when it’d be a huge deal if it was a major corporation like Amazon... y’all need to chill out. Like I said, Bernie’s good, he’s not perfect. There’s no need to defend bad poo poo when it happens. When something doesn’t seem right, just be consistent. Don’t defend it, just because you see some sort of disrespect to your favored candidate.
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Jul 20, 2019 03:33
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Bernie doing it is WORSE than Amazon doing it, because its the kind of shameless villainy one would expect from a satan corporation, but not from an ostensibly pro-union politician
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Jul 20, 2019 03:40
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they agreed to a contract that seemed pretty good, and is pretty good by all normal campaign standards, but doesn't actually satisfy the core promise of $15/hr in practice due to the sheer amount of work required right now renegotiating in that situation is.. very normal. it's appropriate and good, even. what's weird is furiously declaring it all Murdoch lies and that these ungrateful workers don't know how good they have it!!
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Jul 20, 2019 03:41
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generic one posted:Aaaaannnd there it is! Right on time! No one's defending poo poo because the union has not even sent their loving letter to the campaign yet. It doesn't take a loving genius to look at the details and figure out that some dumbfuck careerist who got brought on saw a chance during this process and took it. It was very deliberately leaked to WaPo above other potential outlets. It's not the first time and it won't be the last. Oh Snapple! fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Jul 20, 2019 03:42
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eke out posted:what's weird is furiously declaring it all Murdoch lies and that these ungrateful workers don't know how good they have it!! Yeah its been absolutely surreal to see this reaction from self-proclaimed leftists itt
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Jul 20, 2019 03:42
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generic one posted:Aaaaannnd there it is! Right on time! There's nothing wrong with pointing out that the reporting of it is deeply misleading, particularly in light of other campaigns' use of unpaid labor. It also is the sort of thing that doesn't really make sense to even have an opinion about until negotiations are concluded.
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Jul 20, 2019 03:43
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Oh Snapple! posted:No one's defending poo poo because the union has not even sent their loving letter to the campaign yet. You’re really mad that this poo poo leaked. I think that says a lot. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 20, 2019 03:44
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generic one posted:You’re really mad that this poo poo leaked. I think that says a lot. Buzz on off. I'm "mad" because the story they spawned did exactly what it intended in providing a disingenuous as gently caress platform to attack Bernie on to dishonest as hell folks like you.
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Jul 20, 2019 03:47
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This isn't about Bernie. THIS ISN'T ABOUT BERNIE. It's about unionized workers fighting for their lives and livelihood (because Bernie is destroying them with poverty wages)
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Jul 20, 2019 03:49
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generic one posted:You’re really mad that this poo poo leaked. I think that says a lot. Are they? Or are they mad at the manner in which it was leaked?
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Jul 20, 2019 03:49
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Oh Snapple! posted:No one's defending poo poo because the union has not even sent their loving letter to the campaign yet. bernie said they're "in negotiations" about this problem credit to the Sanders campaign, while they're clearly unhappy that this leaked they don't seem to be in the kind of profoundly angry denial that there is any problem at all as seen here
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Jul 20, 2019 03:49
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eke out posted:bernie said they're "in negotiations" about this problem What is anyone in "denial" about. There is literally nothing to be in denial about.
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Jul 20, 2019 03:51
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eke out posted:they agreed to a contract that seemed pretty good, and is pretty good by all normal campaign standards, but doesn't actually satisfy the core promise of $15/hr in practice due to the sheer amount of work required right now No one is saying it's all Murdoch lies, and certainly no one is saying that these ungrateful workers don't know how good they have it. People here are annoyed at how misleadingly that news piece is portraying the situation. That's why Bernie himself is annoyed that people went outside of the normal channels - he knew that the press would misleadingly report things. As you say, renegotiation is very normal, so why let the anti-Bernie press turn it into something it's not?
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Jul 20, 2019 03:53
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Oh Snapple! posted:What is anyone in "denial" about. There is literally nothing to be in denial about. im in denial about a lot of things, but what they are is none of your business
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Jul 20, 2019 03:57
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Oh Snapple! posted:What is anyone in "denial" about. There is literally nothing to be in denial about. Oh Snapple! posted:The biggest story in that article is that when hours went up and the campaign offered a 6k raise to compensate, our insane healthcare system made the raise not worth it. nothing to see here, move along
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Jul 20, 2019 03:57
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Majorian posted:No one is saying it's all Murdoch lies, and certainly no one is saying that these ungrateful workers don't know how good they have it. People here are annoyed at how misleadingly that news piece is portraying the situation. That's why Bernie himself is annoyed that people went outside of the normal channels - he knew that the press would misleadingly report things. As you say, renegotiation is very normal, so why let the anti-Bernie press turn it into something it's not? On my end I'd certainly be more willing to not ascribe malice to the specific leaker here if they, again, hadn't made the deliberate choice to do the leak through a paper owned by a person constantly fighting Bernie and which cannot churn out anti-Bernie hitpieces fast enough. Of course, that's also separate from my hope that the staff can get a better contract for themselves. eke out posted:nothing to see here, move along Either say what you mean or stop talking to me, I'm not doing this guessing game poo poo just so you can feel like you said something.
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Jul 20, 2019 03:58
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Oh Snapple! posted:Buzz on off. I'm "mad" because the story they spawned did exactly what it intended in providing a disingenuous as gently caress platform to attack Bernie on to dishonest as hell folks like you. FAKE NEWS. SOMEONE DO SOMETHING.
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Jul 20, 2019 04:04
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You just don't send a letter to the media before you send it to the employer. I hope he has a direct answer to some idiot reporter asking about this during the debate. Maddow should've gotten way more poo poo from him last debate.
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Jul 20, 2019 04:05
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generic one posted:Aaaaannnd there it is! Right on time! "The only candidate with a union is negotiating with his union" is not nearly the own you think it is, or much an own at all.
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Jul 20, 2019 04:05
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generic one posted:You’re really mad that this poo poo leaked. I think that says a lot. I am. But it doesn't really say much beyond "I think this headline isn't good for my preferred candidate".
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Jul 20, 2019 04:22
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Probably Magic posted:"The only candidate with a union is negotiating with his union" is not nearly the own you think it is, or much an own at all.
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Jul 20, 2019 04:31
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:A person who doesn't mainline political news straight into their veins 24/7 is going to read this and wonder "why aren't I hearing about labor disputes with the other candidates' unionized staff?" It is very true that not a single unionized worker in any other campaign is unhappy.
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eke out posted:nothing to see here, move along "Negotiations are underway" is not a story, it's the system working as intended Nothing in the story is a lie. This doesn't mean the headline, the thing most people stop at, isn't written in such a way as to imply that Bernie is working everyone like dogs for a pittance despite his promises, as opposed to overtime loving up the calculations and the contract being renegotiated by the union, as it should be in this situation The fact that things happening correctly is being treated as damning evidence that Bernie is a tyrant and a liar is even more appalling considering that every other campaign has employees who aren't being paid at all. As well, the fact that the proposed raise wasn't worth it because if our broken healthcare system is way more alarming than "union renegotiating contract, like they're supposed to" Stop with this disingenuous bullshit BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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