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"You have offered me a small solution to a huge problem so instead of taking it and then pushing for more I say we do loving nothing at all" The state of this thread today, jesus.
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Cowpocalypse posted:"consume less" is the solution to a lot of problems hth Actually it's "produce less" op Capitalism talks a big game about voting with your wallet but trillions of funko pops are pouring out of Chinese factories whether you buy them or not. Boycotts, like strikes, only work if they're near total. You want to make a difference as one person, go find a factory and throw a spanner in the works.
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Jul 20, 2019 07:26
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Rarity posted:"You have offered me a small solution to a huge problem so instead of taking it and then pushing for more I say we do loving nothing at all" lmao there’s no such thing as voting for more in a timescale that makes a difference, America can do a societal issue like once every 20 years and whatever the end result is we stop paying attention for another couple decades, plastic straw ban was it for us til 2035 or so
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Jul 20, 2019 07:45
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Rarity posted:"You have offered me a small solution to a huge problem so instead of taking it and then pushing for more I say we do loving nothing at all"
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Jul 20, 2019 07:54
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comedyblissoption posted:the planets dying cloud its not my problem
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Jul 20, 2019 07:56
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Perfect is not the enemy of good
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Jul 20, 2019 08:07
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Rarity posted:"You have offered me a small solution to a huge problem so instead of taking it and then pushing for more I say we do loving nothing at all" which is why we gotta pick the most electable candidate
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Jul 20, 2019 08:10
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https://www.twitter.com/wolicyponk/status/1022613874694967297
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Jul 20, 2019 08:54
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straw ban is nothing more than political theater to try once more to convince the little folk that it's their fault the world's in shambles, ignoring that a few hundred folk and their sprawling industrial empires are responsible for the mass lions share of environmental disasters due to the never-ceasing chase for profit and number go up, and instead of banning straws we should ban those people's heads from being on their bodies.
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Jul 20, 2019 10:16
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Cowpocalypse posted:"consume less" is the solution to a lot of problems hth Lol you'll be consuming a lot less after you lose your job because the economy collapses underneath everyone consuming less. Capitalism will never allow itself to be voted away and that includes voting with your dollars nonsense.
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Jul 20, 2019 11:16
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bike tory posted:They are a first step towards banning or restricting plastics more widely. A lot of places that have enacted plastic straw and bag bans are now considering bans on all single-use plastics. where are these places because all i see is annoyed environmentalists pissed off that officials feel like they did something, angry boomers that we all try to ignore, and liberals trying as hard as humanly possible to clap themselves on the back for their Tesla purchase. also what group could even ban single use plastics successfully that isnt a nation anyway. or is packaging not considered single use despite being less reusable than fast food trash
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Jul 20, 2019 11:43
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teacher_man posted:silicone straws Keep a roll in your pocket at all times 
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Jul 20, 2019 14:46
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If only there was an image about ethical consumption under capitalism that could settle this dumb loving argument
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Jul 20, 2019 15:04
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Rarity posted:Lol at the anticap CSPAM thread turning into chud central the second the topic of sacrificing Western comforts for the sake of environmentalism comes up lol agreed we all get it, it's a drop in the ocean compared to the hosed up poo poo that's messing up the planet and it might be a political distraction from the real, bigger changes that need to be put in action but it still helps to reduce the amount of plastic that's being thrown away by careless idiots all over the planet you can start doing something positive by consuming less and better instead of saying "oh the real issue is something else, you can pry my plastic straws and bags from my cold dead hands" this all-or-nothing mentality is so very childish
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Jul 20, 2019 17:46
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necroid posted:
Love that you folks keep dodging the abelist issue, to the degree that someone above even put "disabled" in quotes. An opportunity to sanctimoniously punch down while also doing effectively nothing *AND* pretending like something was accomplished? Sounds like a neolib wet dream.
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Jul 20, 2019 17:57
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GEMorris posted:Love that you folks keep dodging the abelist issue, to the degree that someone above even put "disabled" in quotes.
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Jul 20, 2019 18:12
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Perfect timing: https://twitter.com/sopandeb/status/1152628260272033793?s=21
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Jul 20, 2019 18:29
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necroid posted:you can pry my plastic straws and bags from my cold dead hands who said this though
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Jul 20, 2019 18:44
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I do love the "chuds don't like the thing I'm doing, therefore I am immune to criticism" takes.
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Jul 20, 2019 19:06
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necroid posted:lol agreed It's amazing that you unironically would support a policy that would do measurable harm to vulnerable people so you can feel good about taking a drop out of the bucket.
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Jul 20, 2019 19:12
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Sedisp posted:It's amazing that you unironically would support a policy that would do measurable harm to vulnerable people so you can feel good about taking a drop out of the bucket. Show that measurable harm please.
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Jul 20, 2019 19:17
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Sedisp posted:It's amazing that you unironically would support a policy that would do measurable harm to vulnerable people so you can feel good about taking a drop out of the bucket. Hold up. Is the policy "plastic straws are banned" or "we don't give you a straw unless you ask", cause I've seen both in this thread.
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Jul 20, 2019 19:21
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(pounding on walls of thread) FOR GOD'S SAKE MONTRESOR
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Jul 20, 2019 19:21
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Malachi Constant posted:Hold up. Every sit down restaurant I've been to recently has been "we don't give you a straw unless you ask" and nearly every time I've heard someone complaining at the wait staff as if they have any say in it.
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Jul 20, 2019 19:25
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probe everyone who’s posted about straws including me
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Jul 20, 2019 19:56
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Let's talk about how our insanely dumb society is becoming more and more expensive to live in and our paychecks barely raise to compensate for it while at the same time we are being mocked for not living in luxury
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Jul 20, 2019 20:00
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Bombadilillo posted:Show that measurable harm please. plastic bendy straws were literally invented for infirm and disabled people who have difficulty drinking and quite a few of them have been talking about how these bans are literally ignoring them and their disabilities for some kind of woke green cred that accomplishes nothing.
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Jul 20, 2019 20:26
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Tashilicious posted:plastic bendy straws were literally invented for infirm and disabled people who have difficulty drinking and quite a few of them have been talking about how these bans are literally ignoring them and their disabilities for some kind of woke green cred that accomplishes nothing. You say that. But when I googled it. And posted the articles in this thread it's a bunch of reprinting of one single incident where a dad yelled at a waitress. So I ask if "measurable harm" can be shown?
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Jul 20, 2019 20:31
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Tashilicious posted:plastic bendy straws were literally invented for infirm and disabled people who have difficulty drinking and quite a few of them have been talking about how these bans are literally ignoring them and their disabilities for some kind of woke green cred that accomplishes nothing. Where have those straws been banned?
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Jul 20, 2019 20:44
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ok I consider myself a pretty reasonable person so I'll take two steps back with my attitude and agree that it sucks that disabled people are being denied the option of using bendy straws, I wasn't aware of this particular issue and you guys made it clear it exists and it is real. what I honestly don't understand is this attitude: GEMorris posted:An opportunity to sanctimoniously punch down while also doing effectively nothing *AND* pretending like something was accomplished Sedisp posted:It's amazing that you unironically would support a policy that would do measurable harm to vulnerable people so you can feel good about taking a drop out of the bucket. Tashilicious posted:some kind of woke green cred that accomplishes nothing. are you really, seriously, 100% convinced that limiting the distribution of plastic products is a bad idea? literally some kind of woke green cred that accomplishes nothing?
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Jul 20, 2019 20:47
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necroid posted:it sucks that disabled people are being denied the option of using bendy straws, That's actually happening? Because I can't imagine a law passing like that. And if it's just some company doing it I can't imagine them surviving the social media backlash.
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Jul 20, 2019 20:53
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spacetoaster posted:That's actually happening? Because I can't imagine a law passing like that. not that I'm aware of, I think some of the posters itt are saying that if you outright ban free plastic straws then the disabled people who need them won't be able to get them as easily so they'd be denied the option because there'd be no available straws in general
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Jul 20, 2019 21:01
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I've seen opinions from disability activists in both directions actually. Some are disappointed because a lot of the argument in favour of the ban is based on the idea that "no one actually needs a straw". So some disabled people are putting their hands up and saying "um actually..." But I've also seen disabled people on twitter pointing out how those concerns are being amplified by oil companies as corporate concern trolling, and pointing out that if you can't drink without a straw then you generally carry straws with you anyway. So it's complicated.
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spacetoaster posted:That's actually happening? Because I can't imagine a law passing like that. This is the questions cause again. Everything goes back to one blog post where a girl had a waitress be mean and her dad yelled at her and that dad was Albert Einstein. If there is actual tangible stuff and actual measurable harm I want to see it.
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Jul 20, 2019 21:03
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And again in case you missed it. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/withoutacrystalball/2019/07/plastic-straw-ban-results-in-death/ Freak accident death at home involving a metal straw is string to spark fear into plastic straw bans at restaurants.
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As someone with disabled family members I think it's ripe that the crowd that tends to deny public benefits for them at every turn now suddenly pretends to care about them because the topic of plastic straws gives them something to feel smug about and dig into progressives over.
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necroid posted:ok I consider myself a pretty reasonable person so I'll take two steps back with my attitude and agree that it sucks that disabled people are being denied the option of using bendy straws, I wasn't aware of this particular issue and you guys made it clear it exists and it is real. How do you go about reducing plastic products? Banning straws? Okay what replaces those straws? Paper ones? That takes more energy to produce than a plastic one. Where does that energy come from? Probably coal. So to recap we have created a solution that is worse than the problem, that punishes disabled people and doesn't even solve the problem on paper. The solution to these problems are complicated and require mass mobilization. People really need to stop pretending it is a choice between doing nothing and doing nothing that makes you feel better. Sedisp has issued a correction as of 21:14 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Sedisp posted:How do you go about reducing plastic products? Banning straws? Okay what replaces those straws? Paper ones? That takes more energy to produce than a straw one. Where does that energy come from? Probably coal. So to recap we have created a solution that is worse than the problem, that punishes disabled people and doesn't even solve the problem on paper. It's not as simple as "requires more energy to produce = worse" though. Paper comes from trees which, as an industry, removes CO2 so long as it's not coming from like logging in the Amazon or some poo poo. And CO2 emissions aren't the only way that we're poisoning the earth, we also need to drastically reduce the amount of plastic going into the oceans because we are steadily poisoning them with microplastics for the next several hundred centuries. I think the current estimates are that the weight of plastic in the ocean will exceed the weight of the fish in the ocean within the next 25 years.
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The deal about plastic straws isn't about energy use or carbon emissions its about feeling bad about the plastic in the ocean, and apparently plastic straws are the most likely thing to end up in the ocean.
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Sedisp posted:How do you go about reducing plastic products? Banning straws? Okay what replaces those straws? Paper ones? That takes more energy to produce than a straw one. Where does that energy come from? Probably coal. So to recap we have created a solution that is worse than the problem, that punishes disabled people and doesn't even solve the problem on paper. I get what you're saying but Sedisp posted:Okay what replaces those straws? Paper ones? That takes more energy to produce than a straw one. Where does that energy come from? Probably coal. doesn't take into consideration that plastic will be here long after we're all dead and gone, while paper isn't. does this offset the production costs? I dunno but I think that maybe we've reached a point where we all understand that low production (and sale) costs aren't the best metric to judge how good or bad something is in the long run. cheap plastic stuff is cheap for a reason. Sedisp posted:The solution to these problems are complicated and require mass mobilization. People really need to stop pretending it is a choice between doing nothing and doing nothing that makes you feel better. I also agree with this 100% but I hate the fact that the usual result of this line of thought (for the average man) is "oh well I won't be making an impact, it's up to the big corporations to stop polluting etc.". seriously how hard is it to take responsibility for your own behaviour while also NOT being ok with the huge issues that exist at corporate level? you can change your lifestyle and reduce your overconsumption and garbage production without ignoring the fact that big corporations have been loving us all right up the rear end for a long time.
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