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FuzzySlippers posted:Yeah Quake 2 was a huge release and was as big as it got on PC at the time. PC gaming mags and sites were hyper focused on it, but PC was just dwarfed by consoles. Though FF7 is a weird bar to set since it was unusually aggressively advertised for the time and I can't think of a game as often on regular TV. I remember having to tell a lot of people that the game absolutely doesn't look like the ads, Cloud doesn't have hands when you walk around. Final Fantasy VII isn't the bar. It's just one of the few games made at the time that was beyond the bar. That's the point, AAA was barely a thing at the time, which is why such terms basically didn't exist yet. And Quake II wasn't in that sort of range.
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Barudak posted:spurred on by Red Dead Redemption Is that some kind of fuckin pun? You tryin to be funny in here?
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FuzzySlippers posted:Yeah Quake 2 was a huge release and was as big as it got on PC at the time. PC gaming mags and sites were hyper focused on it, but PC was just dwarfed by consoles.  (lol) FuzzySlippers posted:Though FF7 is a weird bar to set since it was unusually aggressively advertised for the time and I can't think of a game as often on regular TV. I remember having to tell a lot of people that the game absolutely doesn't look like the ads, Cloud doesn't have hands when you walk around. 
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Can we call Carmageddon an honorary retro FPS even though it's a racing game with no guns simply because it has the exact same tone as all the build engine games of the time Also Interstate 76 which I guess deserves it more Please
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Songbearer posted:Can we call Carmageddon an honorary retro FPS even though it's a racing game with no guns simply because it has the exact same tone as all the build engine games of the time
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Don't argue with fishmech y'all, it's a pointless waste of time and salient points.
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ItBreathes posted:Don't argue with fishmech y'all, it's a pointless waste of time and salient points. This but Zaphod Elite Forces is kinda cool! I have no experience with Star Trek really but it's fun.
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The Kins posted:Depends on whether this means we can dupe someone into making Interstate 76 playable on modern machines without some unholy combination of fan-patches, virtual machines and goat entrails. Please do the needful. ( Lord how I miss I'76...)
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Quarantine was a 90s car game that was basically an fps with a car hud as I recall. I feel like I played a bunch of hovercraft fps games in the 90s that weren't full 3d like Descent but sorta half flying around / half strafing and firing. Zero names come to mind though.
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AAA games argument: The rest of the thread:  Anyway that's Marathon 2 down. Kind of loses me once you get captured and the human Blake guy breaks you out. Also I remember the final battle feeling a lot more grand but ah well, overall a great experience. Think I'ma take a break before trying Infinity, I wanna save room for Ion Fury and Wolfenstein Youngblood so I don't get shooter'd out before their arrivals.
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star trek elite force was the first star trek thing i ever interacted with and i enjoyed it a lot despite not knowing anything about what was going on. i never played elite force 2 though, i should check it out sometime
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I wish the Elite Force games were on GOG since I dimly but fondly remember the first one and I'd like to replay them. Sadly, Activision.
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I am like nearly certain I had that issue of PC Gamer. Cursed cover
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I gotta ask. Were they as wrong about the "10 games that will die trying" as they were about daikatana and duke forever being good? 
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Madden 99 reviews on PC is like some distant era, like Im looking at grecian ruins Edit: since the issue is august 98 assuredly 1 of those 10 games is Half-Life and another one is Sin Barudak fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Jul 21, 2019 |
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Jul 21, 2019 11:23
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The answer is probably obvious (it's hard) but I've always wondered why there aren't more co-operative immersive sims, System Shock 2 demonstrates it being a lot of fun even though it's a hackjob.
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Gloomy Rube posted:I gotta ask. Were they as wrong about the "10 games that will die trying" as they were about daikatana and duke forever being good? yeah can someone find a scan of this or something so we can find out?
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juggalo baby coffin posted:yeah can someone find a scan of this or something so we can find out? The whole thing is online and oh my god you guys its amazing. The list is Duke Nukem 4 Ever Daikatana Half-Life Sin Prey Trespasser Prax War Amen: Awakening Max Payne Wheel of Time Shogo Heretic 2 Aliens Versus Predayor X-Com Alliance Klingon Honor Guard Requiem They then scored them based on how they thought theyd compare to quake 2 with only Duke, Prey, Daikatana, Half-Life 2, and Sin actually pegged as being predicted to be better than Quake 2 which begs the question of why the gently caress is Klingon Honor Guard on the cover??! Barudak fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Jul 21, 2019 |
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Gloomy Rube posted:I gotta ask. Were they as wrong about the "10 games that will die trying" as they were about daikatana and duke forever being good? THE GENUINE KILLERS: Prey What They Say: "...given 3D Realms' proven track record, we feel strongly that Prey is likely to be the best 3D shooter released in 1999 - that is, if the game is actually finished in 1999." What Happened: In the words of Ron Howard, "It wasn't." Half-Life What They Say: "A first person shooter with brains and brawn, Half-Life has the entire development and gaming community waiting for a chance to play it. Team Fortress multiplayer is crucial for Half-Life's life, it's just too bad it doesn't come with the game." What Happened: It did pretty well, yeah. It wasn't exactly Team Fortress that justified HL1's multiplayer, though... SIN: What They Say: "Good creative level designers (including the self-styled Levelord) should push the Quake II engine to its limits. It's also likely to be the first game out." What Happened: It came out in a fairly buggy state, just in time to get trampled by the Half-Life colossus. Daikatana What They Say: "Daikatana's levels and monsters look incredible, but we're still waiting to see if Romero and Ion Storm can pull off the sidekick AI as promised. It's likely this feature won't make it." What Happened: Sadly, they couldn't, but they also didn't cut it. Alas. Wait, What Else Is Here?: "Despite using the Quake II engine for this game, Ion Storm's out-of-house development of Daikatana 2 has turned to Unreal because "You can make your game bigger, prettier and cheaper than any other engine available at this time."" ...huh.: Yeah, I know, right? Duke Nukem Forever What They Say: "George Broussard has been quick to answer questions about [the engine change from Quake 2 to Unreal], most importantly over the delay it will cause. The answer "four to six weeks" is surprising." What Happened:  ...AND THE REST: Max Payne What They Say: "Everything we've seen on Max Payne is mighty impressive, but there still hasn't been a decent third-person multiplayer game. Could this be the first?" What Happened: No. Multiplayer was ultimately cut from the game, and didn't emerge until Rockstar's Max Payne 3. Wheel of Time What They Say: "To be fair, Wheel of Time is a much different beast than Quake II and should be a great game in its own right." What Happened: A bumpy development and a commercial flop, but it seems to have a bit of a cult fanbase. Trespasser What They Say: "There isn't going to be a multiplayer version. Nuff said!" What Happened: The lack of multiplayer was kind of the least of that game's woes... Amen: The Awakening What They Say: "It's an impressive first foray into the first-person shooter genre by Cavedog, but the company has a bunch to prove against some wicked competition." What Happened: Cancelled in early 2000 for various reasons, Cavedug shut its doors soon after. Prax War What They Say: "We just haven't seen enough on this game to get a fair reading. We are excited about the prospects, but cautious of bestowing too much praise." What Happened: Cancelled by EA in 1999. Lead designer Randy Pitchford went onto other things, for better or worse... Shogo: Mobile Armor Division What They Say: "As far as we know, mechs don't bleed, and anime is just plain weird." What Happened: Released, but underperformed, resulting in the cancellation of an expansion pack. Heretic II What They Say: "The game plays more like Nightmare Creatures, taking away the ability to precisely aim weapons and spells." What Happened: Released and thoroughly flopped. You probably didn't even know it existed before that Civvie video. X-COM Alliance What They Say: "It'll be different, but is that good? We worry the action could be secondary to the strategy. MicroProse still needs to prove itself in this category." What Happened: Descended into a vaporware hell, before ultimately being officially cancelled in 2002. Pieces were recycled for 2001's X-COM: Enforcer. Requiem What They Say: "Brilliant ideas, solid engine, but can it stand up to the big boys?" What Happened: Released to varying reviews and a lack of commercial success. Star Trek: Klingon Honor Guard What They Say: "The limits of the Star Trek license and the problems with Unreal multiplayer code could be a problem." What Happened: It's hard to remember that Unreal had utter poo poo netcode on initial release... Anyway, it released to mixed reviews. Alien vs. Predator: What They Say: "The graphics aren't up to par, and we've already seen this game on the Jaguar. Besides, the game is waaaay late." What Happened: Critically acclaimed and did quite well indeed.
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The ads in this magazine are amazing. A) Remember Revenant? Remember how FFVII on PC was a huge loving deal that demanded a new graphics card? B) Quake 2 was so huge Requiem bought a two page ad spread that says "Every time someone dies in Quake 2 their soul ends up here" C) it has the "Had a bad day? Take it out on Canada" ad. Yessssssss
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Can confirm the Wheel of Time fps is thoroughly cool. There's no first person weapon or hand models though, which feels kind of weird in an FPS. AES SEDAI WITCH!
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You know, I’ve tried to play Marathon Infinity so many times but the first loving level is so goddamn mazelike that it has literally ended at least 4-5 attempts. I’ve beaten Marathon 1 and 2, but never made it past the first goddamn level in Infinity. Maybe I have some sort of brain problem or something.
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Pathos posted:You know, I’ve tried to play Marathon Infinity so many times but the first loving level is so goddamn mazelike that it has literally ended at least 4-5 attempts. I’ve beaten Marathon 1 and 2, but never made it past the first goddamn level in Infinity. Maybe I have some sort of brain problem or something. Ne Cede Malis is definitely harder to navigate than Arrival/Waterloo Waterpark. In general Infinity's maps are bigger and more 5D than those in the other games, but Ne Cede Malis is a pretty tricky level anyway with its tight mazes of little corridors, critical path through sewage tanks, etc. You could just skip to Rise Robot Rise (cmd+alt+click on begin new game button) since you don't keep your weapons from the first level anyway, and it's not like you'll miss a whole lot in the plot.
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Pathos posted:You know, I’ve tried to play Marathon Infinity so many times but the first loving level is so goddamn mazelike that it has literally ended at least 4-5 attempts. I’ve beaten Marathon 1 and 2, but never made it past the first goddamn level in Infinity. Maybe I have some sort of brain problem or something. Nah, it's a confusing and not very fun level. The rest of the game is good though. Just remember if you use the level select you're taking the VidMaster's Oath.
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Barudak posted:The ads in this magazine are amazing. god yes. the only game ever* to absolutely require 8-bit palettized texture support, which coincidentally was the one feature the brand new riva tnt didn't have. the tnt was popular enough for them to patch the game to work on it but it was still a pain * that i knew about and wanted to play on a riva tnt, anyway
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Lemon-Lime posted:I wish the Elite Force games were on GOG since I dimly but fondly remember the first one and I'd like to replay them. Might also be in part due to the massive legal dustup between Activision and Viacom, wherein Activision felt Viacom was ruining Star Trek, in as much as the IP had gone from multiple series down to one and the movies weren't doing well (for context, this was after Nemesis was a massive failure). I'd imagine this makes the rights issues around any Activision Star Trek games a bit of a legal snarl.
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SCheeseman posted:The answer is probably obvious (it's hard) but I've always wondered why there aren't more co-operative immersive sims, System Shock 2 demonstrates it being a lot of fun even though it's a hackjob. I would kill for some good co-op FPSRPGs. But most FPSRPGs tend to have either a big open world or lots of AI systems and routines or both, and it makes sense that taking that multiplayer is a bit of a headache. Still. Like, Assassin's Creed Unity had co-op, but it was only so-so. Odyssey is so good, but no co-op. Although its not FPS, its a huge open world rpg. Skyrim is single player, mods to try to make it multi are a mess, and look how Fallout 76 turned out, lmao. Bloodlines 2 is single player, but isn't Cyberpunk 2077 supposed to have some kind of multiplayer mode? I think I heard that, that'd be killer. I wish there were more co-op games period. I had so much fun back in the day playing through Doom, Quake 1, and Half-Life with Sven Co-op. The Halo series is the last major FPS I can remember playing co-op with a friend.
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Dying Light's got co-op. And there's always EDF.
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EDF, Payday, Sniper Elite (4's co-op is some of the most fun I've had in a game period), Borderlands (I hate these games solo, love them co-op), Vermintide, Deep Rock Galactic. But I get that only a few of those games are campaign-focused and that kind of sucks, probably because there haven't been a ton of shooters period since the CoD fad died down. I think Far Cry 5 was the only big-budget shooter besides BlOps and BF:V to be released in 2018, and those games had no campaign and a garbage one, respectively.
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I was gonna say Sniper Elite, Far Cry 4 and 5, and Watchdogs 2. Maybe not true immersive sims but certainly adjacent. My double-edged wish is for more asymmetrical co-op games. There's a handful out there, but really the problem is I usually don't have anyone to play them with anyway. 
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site posted:Timesplitters Timesplitters 2 had such a good multiplayer suite...to this day I still wish Free Radical hadn't been sacrificed on the altar of lovely PS3 exclusives like Factor 5 was. quote:My double-edged wish is for more asymmetrical co-op games. Speaking of Perfect Dark, more games need a counter-operative style mode.
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Plan Z posted:EDF, Payday, Sniper Elite (4's co-op is some of the most fun I've had in a game period), Borderlands (I hate these games solo, love them co-op), Vermintide, Deep Rock Galactic. But I get that only a few of those games are campaign-focused and that kind of sucks, probably because there haven't been a ton of shooters period since the CoD fad died down. I think Far Cry 5 was the only big-budget shooter besides BlOps and BF:V to be released in 2018, and those games had no campaign and a garbage one, respectively. I love EDF and Payday and Vermintide, but yeah... not really the same experience. More Arcadey and less story driven. Borderlands I played a lot of but the FPS side is just so lovely. site posted:Timesplitters Is my jam, and I would love to get a new one. Have been watching that fan project for awhile. Also harder to play as its not on PC Emulation is only so-so for multiplayer.
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Did anyone ever make a replacement for Brutal Doom for those of us who just enjoy a lot of blood and violence, or did that loving weirdo crackpot nazi-something creator salt the fields, so to say?
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Arivia posted:Couldn't Strife be played in multiplayer? Yeah, but multiplayer in Strife was intended only for deathmatch. IIRC the campaign isn't completable in multiplayer.
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Black Griffon posted:Did anyone ever make a replacement for Brutal Doom for those of us who just enjoy a lot of blood and violence, or did that loving weirdo crackpot nazi-something creator salt the fields, so to say? Project Brutality is basically what you're looking for.
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