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Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
https://twitter.com/ArmyStrang/status/1152777772688916480

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Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

FrozenVent posted:

Ships are breeding ground for contagion, to the point where there is an internationally recognized three letters code for “the patient has yellowish feces with a consistency resembling rice water”.


that poo poo will run right through a ship (no pun intended)

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

the other reason stock buybacks are bad is because the alternatives either get taxed or actually improve the economy

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

I am impressed how everybody knows the end of socialism (communism) but don't understand that the end of capitalism is that the legal system is also traded in the free market so that the rich can get richer.

I wonder if there's a reality where communists countries are trying to convert to some type of capitalism, but you have dissenters saying that it will lead to a huge wealth gap.

colachute fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Jul 21, 2019

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
$1.1 trillion went into stock buybacks last year.

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

colachute posted:

I am impressed how everybody knows the end of socialism (communism) but don't understand that the end of capitalism is that the legal system is also traded in the free market so that the rich can get richer.

I wonder if there's a reality where communists countries are trying to convert to some type of capitalism, but you have dissenters saying that it will lead to a huge wealth gap.

Nah. Usually the true believers got purged as enemies of the state by the authoritarians way before things grind to a halt and they started looking at free market economics.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

MRC48B posted:

Nah. Usually the true believers got purged as enemies of the state by the authoritarians way before things grind to a halt and they started looking at free market economics.

RIP Trotsky

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007


Trotsky was an authoritarian.

Just ask the Kronstadt sailors to give one example.

Plastic_Gargoyle fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Jul 21, 2019

Professor Bling
Nov 12, 2008

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Plastic_Gargoyle posted:

Trotsky was an authoritarian.

Trotsky was a counter-revolutionary fuckhead that got what was coming to him.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

Professor Bling posted:

Trotsky was a counter-revolutionary fuckhead that got what was coming to him.

An axe to the face?

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

yeah, just bootstrap bitch

Dwanyelle
Jan 13, 2008

ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE CIVILIANS THEY'RE ALL VALID TARGETS
I'm a huge dickbag ignore me
I struggle to believe that isn't a Photoshop.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

“If I can do it anyone can” has to be taking the piss.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

:thermidor:

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


Dwanyelle posted:

I struggle to believe that isn't a Photoshop.

It isn't. Google Now (or whatever the screen that gives you scores, news, etc.) keeps serving those to me as I constantly click them and send them to a friend who's dealing with medical and student debt. It is real fun, real fun

Like everyone of those articles have either parents running a company, no student debt due to rich family buying a home to live in, parents helping them land 6-figure job straight from college. It is just a plug-n-play of 6 things

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
The only way I could see myself quickly paying off my very modest ~50k in student loans (that will be more like 65k when paid off, thanks interest) is to drop my cost of living down to practically zero , AND getting an extremely well paying job. Because if you don't do both of them, you're going to be paying those loving things off for a long time.

If you live in the middle of nowhere, marry someone as equally financial frugal as yourself, or have assistance from family it's doable.

I live in a high CoL area because I needed it to get a high paying job. Funny how that works. So after I pay off the rest of my credit card debt, the loans are next in line.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
"just live a frugal lifestyle, silly millennial"

also,

"WHY AREN'T MILLENNIAL'S BUYING THINGS THEY'RE RUINING EVERYTHING"

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

Proud Christian Mom posted:

"just live a frugal lifestyle, silly millennial"

also,

"WHY AREN'T MILLENNIAL'S BUYING THINGS THEY'RE RUINING EVERYTHING"

"It's incredible, my house has quadrupled in value since I bought it! Ahh, I love this country."

...

"WHY AREN'T MILLENNIALS MOVING OUT AND BUYING HOUSES RAAH MORAL VALUES"

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Dwanyelle posted:

I struggle to believe that isn't a Photoshop.

"These people who started off rich are still rich, so it's your own fault if you're poor" is definitely a thing in the media. Citations Needed did an episode on it: https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-77-frugality-fables-and-the-poor-shaming-grift-of-financial-advice-journalism

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
The real question is are the writers just as oblivious as the rich they write about or are they purposely feeding us horseshit

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

A little of both, most likely. Don't forget the publishers, editors and their sponsors all have a hand in it too.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Eej posted:

The real question is are the writers just as oblivious as the rich they write about or are they purposely feeding us horseshit

Very everyone in the media is either rich or working for the rich

EBB
Feb 15, 2005



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

Arven
Sep 23, 2007

Eej posted:

The real question is are the writers just as oblivious as the rich they write about or are they purposely feeding us horseshit

I would wager nearly every professional columnist at this point isn't relying on their writing for income and survives entirely off inherited wealth.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


I graduated with 20 grand in student loans from a public university. I paid it off within four years. I got lucky because being poor as poo poo growing up gave me a ton of Pell grants and subsidized loans.

And yet, I still think all student loan debt should be wiped and public college should be free. :shrug:

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

the idea of "we had to do this, so you should have to do it too" is so loving toxic

Arc Light
Sep 26, 2013



colachute posted:

the idea of "we had to do this, so you should have to do it too" is so loving toxic

Yeah, whenever student loan forgiveness hits the national consciousness, I'm always horrified by how strongly my veteran friends come out against it. They did their time and had their degrees paid for by the GI Bill, and they feel as if student loan forgiveness would devalue what they went through to afford university.

That's nuts. Crab bucket mentality. Hell yes we should make higher education wholly funded by taxpayers. Once the US military can't use "free" college as a recruiting, they'll be forced to make enlisting suck less in general if they want to keep their numbers.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

colachute posted:

the idea of "we had to do this, so you should have to do it too" is so loving toxic

My coworkers were whining about that in the context of wiping out other peoples' student loans: "well I paid mine off so where's my money?" For people who spent their 4 years nailing hookers in South Korea they sure do have some weird ideas about how hard they worked to earn their GI Bill.

Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jul 21, 2019

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
Paying off school and/or having free university would in fact have a considerable impact on retention and recruitment. Big Army has basically given up the idea of recruiting out of any places that have a 15 dollar minimum wage, from a readiness perspective anyway. They'll still send recruiters out there to push that stone up the mountain one last time.

Perhaps, and I'm just going out on a limb here, we shouldn't use the concept of a free or significantly reduced education (something that the rest of the civilized world has) as a carrot for our armed forces.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Service guarantees* citizenship!

*some restrictions apply

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country
I'm graduating next May with about $39k in hock to the Dept. of Ed, and I consider that the best case scenario.

You don't even need to make college free, just make it low cost. I don't mind paying for college, and I don't even mind taking out loans to pay for it. Just make it cheap enough so that it's actually affordable, not $40k for a bachelors from a state school.

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

i probably wouldn't have joined had the gi bill not been a thing

Laranzu
Jan 18, 2002

colachute posted:

i probably wouldn't have joined had the gi bill not been a thing

As one of the only worthwhile benefits it's nuts when people don't use it.

I'm getting two for one out of mine. TA my degree and give my wife two years of GI towards her master's.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
With the cost of tuituon alone the Army paid more for my degree than they paid me while I was in. Add in the living stipend and it just gets bonkers.

Still a bullshit late-stage capitalist abomination that needs destroyed along with out health care hellscape of suffering, death and bankruptcy.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
As a fun bonus if you have multiple loans, go look on the FSA website and see how your money is distributed under the default settings. I had a loan for 600-ish dollars (it was a top-up of some other thing, I think) that by default had 8 dollars a month allocated to it. I paid it off over two months when I noticed that.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Vasudus posted:

Paying off school and/or having free university would in fact have a considerable impact on retention and recruitment. Big Army has basically given up the idea of recruiting out of any places that have a 15 dollar minimum wage, from a readiness perspective anyway. They'll still send recruiters out there to push that stone up the mountain one last time.

Perhaps, and I'm just going out on a limb here, we shouldn't use the concept of a free or significantly reduced education (something that the rest of the civilized world has) as a carrot for our armed forces.

I completely agree, but I think subsidized education was the only thing keeping the modern military from being 100% dominated by incompetent careerists and wannabe fascists. They'd probably need to reinstitute the draft or something to keep a standing army.

SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice

psydude posted:

I completely agree, but I think subsidized education was the only thing keeping the modern military from being 100% dominated by incompetent careerists and wannabe fascists. They'd probably need to reinstitute the draft or something to keep a standing army.

The military in general would be better if college graduates were randomly drafted into service. It would force new perspectives into the organization that wouldn't otherwise be there and would have a liberalizing effect on it.

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Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

psydude posted:

I completely agree, but I think subsidized education was the only thing keeping the modern military from being 100% dominated by incompetent careerists and wannabe fascists. They'd probably need to reinstitute the draft or something to keep a standing army.

You'd need a draft to keep the military at current manning level, but that level is far far higher than it needs to be.

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