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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
This poll is closed.
Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
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Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008
Not sure what "likeability" actually means in any real context... but... good?
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-sanders-gallup-favorability-democrats-2020-1450344

Given how many people vote on non-policy issues, perhaps very good.

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HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Pembroke Fuse posted:

Not sure what "likeability" actually means in any real context... but... good?
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-sanders-gallup-favorability-democrats-2020-1450344

Given how many people vote on non-policy issues, perhaps very good.

I think it's just "do you have a favorable opinion of..."
I also think Bernie is getting a bump in that regard because a) people don't think he can win, so they don't care enough to hate him and b) still think he got cheated in 2016 so he's getting sympathy.

But then again, it could also be 'real' because Bernie supporters are notoriouly hard to poll so maybe it cancels out?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

I think people like Bernie because he seems like he actually cares about people

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Gripweed posted:

I think people like Bernie because he seems like he actually cares about people

When I say "bump" I mean reasons that are temporary in addition to that that would be without them.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

I don't think people who really hate Bernie but are willing to play nice when they don't think he's going to in are a statistically significant population

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch

Main Paineframe posted:

That's the original (and only) accusation of staffer abuse, from 2015, which has never been picked up by any other outlet since. They're literally just reposting the same hitpieces from the 2016 primaries. Not even writing new pieces, just tweeting the old ones again.

I knew when I skimmed it that it all seemed very same-y, but I didn't bother to look at the published date :v:



Majorian posted:

Wait a second, who's talking about voting for the objectively greater evil?

Basically nobody ever


Pembroke Fuse posted:

Not sure what "likeability" actually means in any real context... but... good?
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-sanders-gallup-favorability-democrats-2020-1450344

Given how many people vote on non-policy issues, perhaps very good.

How likely we are/aren't to see a repeat of 2016 where everyone just goes "gently caress this, I have work tomorrow, and I'm not taking an hour out of my day to vote for this rear end in a top hat" and stays home

Marxalot fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jul 21, 2019

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Gripweed posted:

I don't think people who really hate Bernie but are willing to play nice when they don't think he's going to in are a statistically significant population
It's not that they really hate Bernie, it's that they don't have a strong opinion one way or the other and if he starts doing well that's going to change.

Luckyellow
Sep 25, 2007

Pillbug
Which is why I think that celebrities endorsement is going to be important. I know we dont like to admit it but the fact is that poo poo load of people don't even really pay close attention to politics at all. Nobody is going to remember what a superdelegate said, but they will certainly remember what their favorite stars said.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Obama failed and until you personally admit this, we cannot pick a genuine nominee.

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

I believe there is a universal Truth to the process of doing things right (Not that I have any idea what that actually means).

Luckyellow posted:

Anyone have a list of celebrities who support candidates? I know that Cardi B tweeted her support for Bernie, and so did Glover and Devito, but I don't really keep close watch on celebrities so I was wondering.

A few months old, but here's a pretty decent listing.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/democrats-2020-campaign-candidates-money-826146/

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1152957872281665536

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Ruminahui posted:

Vote Blue no Matter Who.

It may be unpopular but the Dems are a big tent party and we need conservative Democrats like Trump to reach across those voters. Like a similar situation to the one we have with Manchin.

Source your quotes

LinYutang
Oct 12, 2016

NEOLIBERAL SHITPOSTER

:siren:
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
:siren:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/early-contests-by-the-numbers-delegate-race-tightens-in-cbs-news-2020-battleground-tracker/



Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren's estimate has improved to 430 delegates, significantly reducing the gap between her and Biden. She does particularly well with college graduates, politically engaged voters and very liberal Democrats.

Bernie Sanders is currently in third place with 249 delegates. His estimate has dropped since last month. While he's kept most of his supporters, he hasn't done quite as well at retaining them, particularly college-educated Democrats: one in 10 of his supporters from June now say Warren is their top choice.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

LinYutang posted:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/early-contests-by-the-numbers-delegate-race-tightens-in-cbs-news-2020-battleground-tracker/



Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren's estimate has improved to 430 delegates, significantly reducing the gap between her and Biden. She does particularly well with college graduates, politically engaged voters and very liberal Democrats.

Bernie Sanders is currently in third place with 249 delegates. His estimate has dropped since last month. While he's kept most of his supporters, he hasn't done quite as well at retaining them, particularly college-educated Democrats: one in 10 of his supporters from June now say Warren is their top choice.

Does that analysis ignore the 15% rule?

How do Klob and Butt get delegates?

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012

Trabisnikof posted:

Does that analysis ignore the 15% rule?

How do Klob and Butt get delegates?

15% is not statewide, but at the district or caucus level. Of course, the idea that you can dissggregate polling data that specifically is just laughable.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

joepinetree posted:

15% is not statewide, but at the district or caucus level. Of course, the idea that you can dissggregate polling data that specifically is just laughable.

The 15% rule does apply for delegates allocated at the congressional district level and at-large.

Those are two different buckets of delegates.

So you’re correct we’d need CD level polling to support Klob or Butt getting delegates afaik.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

LinYutang posted:

Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren's estimate has improved to 430 delegates, significantly reducing the gap between her and Biden. She does particularly well with college graduates, politically engaged voters and very liberal Democrats.

It's funny how Warren supporters will interpret this positively ("clearly this means that all the smart people support our candidate") while in reality it's mostly just a proxy for income.

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch
Speaking of rich shitheads People of Wealth trying to boost literally any candidate but the single one that poses any credible threat to existing power structures; Have some millionaire former prosecutor trying to cancel Bernie on MSNBC.

https://twitter.com/cit_uprising/status/1152939641361723394



These people will do literally anything to keep from paying an extra 15% on the top marginal tax rate, inheriting slightly less of the family fortune, or to maintain another percent of growth on their investment portfolio. They want a slightly larger home, they want a car that costs $1800 a month, and these psychopaths don't care if you or your family have to die for it.

They understand where their own material interests lie and the idea that Warren would be more popular among rich shitheads (and those pretending to be rich shitheads) shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

Marxalot fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jul 21, 2019

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
for further reference:

https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/1153010121376751616
https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1153013654759100416

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Bernard boys thinking of destroying another Person of Color’s career of locking up scoundrels!

Salean
Mar 17, 2004

Homewrecker

I was fully assured by well meaning centrists who understand that they have to work with the left. Surely this will meet some pushback from the media

Oh, no? It's just people smiling and nodding that bernie hates women and is creepy? hm, nevertheless....

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



I love that she literally says “I can’t identify why I hate Bernie but uhhh he must hate women!”

All corporate media is absolute garbage and I’m ashamed to say it took me until 2016 to figure this out.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Trump is using Nancy’s anti AOC poll as a campaign plank now, so the centrists are our enemies and enemies are crushed.

a.lo
Sep 12, 2009

If …
I had to vote for a nominee it would be Sen. Kamala Harris.

I had to pick her running mate from the remaining candidates it would be Mayor Pete Buttigieg or Julián Castro.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

a.lo posted:

If …
I had to vote for a nominee it would be Sen. Kamala Harris.

I had to pick her running mate from the remaining candidates it would be Mayor Pete Buttigieg or Julián Castro.
is there some justification for doing this beyond kooky magical electoral triangulation or identity politics, because I haven’t heard one, and if you’re going to come and make declarative statements like this itt people may also want some sort of explanation!

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

a.lo posted:

If …
I had to vote for a nominee it would be Sen. Kamala Harris.

I had to pick her running mate from the remaining candidates it would be Mayor Pete Buttigieg or Julián Castro.

Well this should be good.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

a.lo posted:

If …
I had to vote for a nominee it would be Sen. Kamala Harris.

I had to pick her running mate from the remaining candidates it would be Mayor Pete Buttigieg or Julián Castro.

Redneck Nazgul already provides us all the unsourced centrist quotes we need, so you'll need to find another bit.

bowser
Apr 7, 2007

https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1152931252598706179?s=19

The replies are unsurprisingly trying to paint this as a big gotcha against Bernie. God forbid people aren't forced to work 60+ hour work weeks.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

bowser posted:

https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1152931252598706179?s=19

The replies are unsurprisingly trying to paint this as a big gotcha against Bernie. God forbid people aren't forced to work 60+ hour work weeks.

so pretty much the actual chain of events was

-union has an issue

-union brings issue up to management

-union advocates for workers in discussion

-management agrees with union

man WaPo really nailed ol wily bernie with this.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Ytlaya posted:

It's funny how Warren supporters will interpret this positively ("clearly this means that all the smart people support our candidate") while in reality it's mostly just a proxy for income.

also whiteness

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

This is just Calibanibal's gimmick except he does it for free on a forum read by nobody

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
The continuous obfuscation that this is about limiting hours for salaries employees, and not hourly ones, is the best example that this is being done in bad faith.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

bowser posted:

https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1152931252598706179?s=19

The replies are unsurprisingly trying to paint this as a big gotcha against Bernie. God forbid people aren't forced to work 60+ hour work weeks.

So Bernie staffers are literally starving and his solution is to limit their hours... but they're not taking in anymore money? Is he expecting them to get a 2nd job?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

You gotta respect Biden's absolute refusal to pander, or bend to the whims of the populace. Any other candidate would've taken the note "don't open mouth kiss any women other than your wife on stage" by now, but Biden will not be moved.

https://twitter.com/ThomasIsOnline/status/1153058059469631489

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Gripweed posted:

You gotta respect Biden's absolute refusal to pander, or bend to the whims of the populace. Any other candidate would've taken the note "don't open mouth kiss any women other than your wife on stage" by now, but Biden will not be moved.

https://twitter.com/ThomasIsOnline/status/1153058059469631489

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Gripweed posted:

You gotta respect Biden's absolute refusal to pander, or bend to the whims of the populace. Any other candidate would've taken the note "don't open mouth kiss any women other than your wife on stage" by now, but Biden will not be moved.

https://twitter.com/ThomasIsOnline/status/1153058059469631489

Joe Biden is the spiritual opposite of the 'stop emailing my wife' guys

a.lo
Sep 12, 2009

Do I want Biden to get the party nomination? No.

Do I think he’s as bad or worse than Trump? No.

Will I vote for him if he gets the party nomination? Yes!

Will I do what I can to hold him accountable to his campaign promises? Yes!!!

Luckyellow
Sep 25, 2007

Pillbug

Gripweed posted:

You gotta respect Biden's absolute refusal to pander, or bend to the whims of the populace. Any other candidate would've taken the note "don't open mouth kiss any women other than your wife on stage" by now, but Biden will not be moved.

https://twitter.com/ThomasIsOnline/status/1153058059469631489

The tweet is gone for me, what was it?

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Luckyellow posted:

The tweet is gone for me, what was it?



this is supposedly his granddaughter :barf:

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Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1152787552040083456?s=20

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