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Vinylshadow posted:And then they have the gall to not pair Lana against Kiawe so he can FINALLY get one over on her for a change Hey man, he beat her in ping pong
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Eh. Sophocles vs. Kiawe is more interesting. The difference in their personalities and overall level of confidence in themselves is a much more interesting dynamic. Also, I question why anyone needs to "get one over on Lana". She's clearly the most competent trainer in the school aside from Ash and there's no real reason to have a dude subvert that.
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Jul 21, 2019 23:45
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Unfortunately, she's going to go up against Guzma.
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Jul 21, 2019 23:47
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Kiawe needs the safest wins to advance. Onewrong look and he'll worf. He would perish to Lana. Plus Lana and Popplio met because Team Skull were bullying Popplio, her vs Guzma is a good fight setup.
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Jul 21, 2019 23:49
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yeah, it'll be a real shame to see him murdered on screen But in all seriousness, I meant another character from the primary cast
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Jul 21, 2019 23:49
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Zuzie posted:Unfortunately, she's going to go up against Guzma. She’s probably going down hard but I hope Lana at least puts up a decent fight against him. I’d prefer her to win honestly (especially since every male vs female match in this most recent episode ended in a victory for the former) but I have a feeling Guzma will wind up making it to Ash if only for thematic reasons.
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Jul 21, 2019 23:53
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Yeah they've already built up that Ash's main rivals will be Hau, Gladion and Guzma for various reasons, especially Guzma, who is only here because he wants to humiliate Professor Kukui.
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Jul 22, 2019 00:00
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MonsterEnvy posted:Man for a member of the game elite four Acerola was nerfed. How did Kiawe defeat a literal ghost anyway?
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Jul 22, 2019 00:07
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less laughter posted:"gee, I wonder what this thing that wobbles when it gets buffeted's name could ever mean Larryb posted:To be fair, is there another way to localize the Japanese name you can think of that would keep the pun intact? Space Cadet Omoly posted:I've always liked "Soitgoes" as an alternative English name for Wobuffet.
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Jul 22, 2019 00:08
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Jul 22, 2019 00:09
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so who are we thinking Ash will bring out vs. Gladion and vice versa? Pikachu vs. Silvally uses both their aces, but Pikachu has unsettled business with Guzma's Golisopod, so they may hold him back for the finals. The next most obvious matchup is Lycanroc vs. Lycanroc.
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:This is good. They'd have to change the spelling to like Soetgoz or something but it'd work. Or if they knew about the Team Rocket connection just lean right into their localization and name it like Zazreit. Oooo, Zazerit is also good. Nodosaur posted:so who are we thinking Ash will bring out vs. Gladion and vice versa? Pikachu vs. Silvally uses both their aces, but Pikachu has unsettled business with Guzma's Golisopod, so they may hold him back for the finals. The next most obvious matchup is Lycanroc vs. Lycanroc. Hey, James might beat Gladion! We don't know for sure yet!
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That's probably the case actually, as it's kind of foreshadowed in the current opening... Although that could also means that Torracat is going to fight Masked Royal's Incineroar.
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Larryb posted:She’s probably going down hard but I hope Lana at least puts up a decent fight against him. Yeaaahhhhh....I uh...noticed that. I'm not sure if the writers were aware of the implications of having almost every female trainer lose against a male counterpart but......it's a bad look is all I'm saying. It smacks of pretty much every shonen I've ever seen. Flopsy fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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I wish Kahili was in the Alola League but then again I'd hate to see her nerfed for the likes of Lana and Sophocles  edit: wait she was and she lost in the battle royale lol Shneak fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Flopsy posted:Yeaaahhhhh....I uh...noticed that. I'm not sure if the writers were aware of the implications of having almost every female trainer lose against a male counterpart but......it's a bad look is all I'm saying. It smacks of pretty much every shonen I've ever seen. I think it was mostly an unfortunate side effect of having them all fight main characters, on top of acknowledging a recurring flaw in Jessie's ability as a trainer. And on top of that, there's no way Lillie is experienced enough to beat Gladion. Unfortunate, and it still ends up being bad, but still I'd still say unintentional.
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Jul 22, 2019 01:39
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A main rival character for Ash is the one role that hasn't been filled in by a female character. We also don't have one like that in the games either (most of the female rivals are either too friendly or they're just the female trainer that you didn't pick if you chose the male trainer). Maybe there will be one in the Sword and Shield anime.
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Jul 22, 2019 01:42
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Zuzie posted:A main rival character for Ash is the one role that hasn't been filled in by a female character. We also don't have one like that in the games either (most of the female rivals are either too friendly or they're just the female trainer that you didn't pick if you chose the male trainer). in nearly every episode since the first season of pokemon, ash's most consistent rival and foe has been jessie
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Jul 22, 2019 01:45
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Silver2195 posted:Are any of the legendaries really presented as completely "evil," for that matter? Mewtwo has his mustache-twirling villain moments (especially in the dub), but he's lashing out in response to the way humans (and to some extent non-clone Pokemon?) have treated him, and he chills out after meeting Ash. A bunch of the other movies have legendaries going berserk for whatever reason, but it's almost always because a human is wrecking their habitat or mind-controlling them with a machine, or simply a misunderstanding. I haven't gotten around to watching the DP movies yet, though, so maybe they portray Giratina and/or Darkrai as evil; I don't know. I mean I know it's been covered already, but the giant death bird is a pretty good case for evil
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Jul 22, 2019 01:46
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Zuzie posted:A main rival character for Ash is the one role that hasn't been filled in by a female character. We also don't have one like that in the games either (most of the female rivals are either too friendly or they're just the female trainer that you didn't pick if you chose the male trainer). Touko should've been it for Unova. gently caress Trip.
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Jul 22, 2019 01:49
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Hilda has really gotten the short end of the stick in adaptations. Either she's ignored in favor of Hilbert or she's portrayed as naive and inexperienced when she does show up.
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Jul 22, 2019 01:54
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The Bee posted:Touko should've been it for Unova. gently caress Trip. Nodosaur posted:Hilda has really gotten the short end of the stick in adaptations. Either she's ignored in favor of Hilbert or she's portrayed as naive and inexperienced when she does show up. Absolutely do not understand why they didn’t continue the pattern and have her be a travelling companion
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Jul 22, 2019 01:56
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Zuzie posted:A main rival character for Ash is the one role that hasn't been filled in by a female character. We also don't have one like that in the games either (most of the female rivals are either too friendly or they're just the female trainer that you didn't pick if you chose the male trainer). The closest it gets is Casey from Johto, though "main rival" is a stretch.
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Jul 22, 2019 01:57
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Wanting to do something different? Having more ideas for Iris and Cilan? Who knows. Unova doesn't really have a secondary goal that's as easily applied to her like Gens 3 and 4 had, and XY had to spend a long time making up one for Serena.
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Jul 22, 2019 01:57
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The Black and White anime was made into a retread of the first seasons, including the supporting cast made up of two gym leaders from the games. I really don't like how they handled Iris though.
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I think Iris is a better realized version of Misty, personally, in that she actually gets to succeed at stuff and that she doesn't turn into scenery like Misty did once Togepi was born
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I kinda felt that they took her character a bit too far in the opposite direction. Sort of. She started off condescending of Ash's skill as a trainer (which makes little sense since unlike back in the first season with Misty, Ash isn't supposed to be a rookie). Never mind the fact that she couldn't back up her own skills as a trainer. People in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones and whatnot. But this is kind of minor compared to the other issues that plagued this particular saga. I actually believe that Serena's main character trait (her not so secret crush on Ash) was to make up for Iris's condescending attitude on him.
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That's the whole point of Iris's character. She's immature and her condescension towards Ash was born of her own insecurity. The fact that once the truth about her and Excadrill comes out she stops doing it except in instances when Ash is legitimately being a buffoon is clear enough evidence of that. She also doesn't know Ash and he isn't the type to flaunt his skills, even when taking into account how BW went too far in the other direction of downplaying his competence. She has no reason at all to know whether he's a rookie or not.
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I also didn't really like that they removed Iris' gym leader status completely (I know she was just a version exclusive one in the games but they could have always just made it that both of them were the leaders of that particular gym or something). In regards to Sun & Moon, they also toned down Lusamine quite a bit (though even by Japanese standards I'm not sure you could get away with using her game persona in a children's anime).
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Jul 22, 2019 02:23
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whether they could use her or not, I think that kind of storyline is all wrong for Sun & Moon's tone.
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Nodosaur posted:whether they could use her or not, I think that kind of storyline is all wrong for Sun & Moon's tone. Fair, if this had been a more traditional season with Lillie serving as Ash's obligatory female traveling companion maybe they could have gotten away with sticking a little closer to the game but I admit it doesn't really work as well here. Larryb fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Speaking of the BW anime, in the part I'm watching now, Team Rocket seem to have reverted more or less to their previous selves. That includes the part where they try to steal the character of the day's Pokemon with a mech, but I'm OK with them doing that occasionally. I enjoyed the Elgyem episode. I guess it's partly a rehash of previous episodes involving the Clefairy family, but I liked the character of the day because he's so understated and because we get so much explanation of the details of his work. Usually when we meet a scientist other than the Pokemon Professors, they're the hammy mad scientist type, and there's not much focus on what the Pokemon Professors are actually researching (to the point where it's a running gag that Dawn thinks of Oak as a poet rather than a scientist). I disliked the Cottonee episode, though. It's a rehash of "Bye Bye Butterfree," but with a random wild Cottonee instead of one of Ash's Pokemon. And what's with Ash being incapable of understanding the concept of romantic love now? More support for the Dialga de-aging hypothesis. The scene with Ash teaching the Cottonee to use Energy Ball and dodge properly was good, though; it shows that, de-aged or not, Ash is a good enough Trainer that a random Pokemon can benefit from a few pointers from him.
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Nodosaur posted:I think it was mostly an unfortunate side effect of having them all fight main characters, on top of acknowledging a recurring flaw in Jessie's ability as a trainer. And on top of that, there's no way Lillie is experienced enough to beat Gladion. Unfortunate, and it still ends up being bad, but still I'd still say unintentional. Probably unintentional. Still not great in retrospect. I do agree though; Lillie and Jessie were givens as far as those match ups went. Snowy hasn't even evolved for fucksakes. Edit: off topic here, does anyone know when the next Sword and Shield news drop is supposed to happen?
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Flopsy posted:Edit: off topic here, does anyone know when the next Sword and Shield news drop is supposed to happen? My guess is during the first week of August.
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I went and watched the first few episodes of the Sun/Moon anime just to see what's what. It's the first time I've watched a Pokémon anime since probably whatever the Ruby/Sapphire arc was. It's not bad, in fact parts of it are pretty good, but I'm having serious issues getting past the animation style. It's not even that it's bad in and of itself, it's not, but it's SO different from what "Pokémon the Anime" looks like in my memory/mind that it's hard to watch. Some of the characters (Ash and Jessie in particular) don't even look like the same characters, and some of the Pokémon look pretty different from the games too. The new voices (at least, new compared to the last time I was watching the show) don't help this.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Absolutely do not understand why they didn’t continue the pattern and have her be a travelling companion It was the first gen where the trainers were noticeably older.
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Ometeotl posted:It was the first gen where the trainers were noticeably older. They could have make her the Brock equivalent.
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Zuzie posted:My guess is during the first week of August. Gotcha. Thank you. Silver2195 posted:They could have make her the Brock equivalent. I can't recall Ash ever traveling with an older competent female trainer can you?
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Flopsy posted:I can't recall Ash ever traveling with an older competent female trainer can you? Does Mallow count? because that's the closest we've gotten to a female character taking that sort of supporting role.
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"Ash and Trip's Third Battle": Ugh. Ash being determined and Trip trash-talking him was incredibly rote. At least Iris seemed as annoyed with them both as I was. And the fight itself wasn't especially creative. Trip's flashback does add a bit of depth to him, I guess? Plus they figure out the problem with Oshawott's Aqua Jet.
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