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I'm fully expecting the bottom to drop out of the online ads market at some point in the next five years. It's happened before (2003-2004), and there's a growing awareness that hypertargeted advertising isn't anywhere near effective enough to justify what people are paying for it. It'll be very interesting to see how Google and Facebook will deal with a shift like that.
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I don't think the market for software engineers is going anywhere soon though. There's far too many white-collar jobs remaining to be automated. It'd take some kind of automating-the-automation invention (which sounds like a fairly hard AI problem to me, though maybe not Hard with a capital "H") to really make a dent in the demand for software.
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If companies like Monster.com and Dice.com still exist we will still have plenty of room for billions of dollars spent on ineffective online ad campaigns.
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ultrafilter posted:there's a growing awareness that hypertargeted advertising isn't anywhere near effective enough to justify what people are paying for it
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Vulture Culture posted:This is also debatable in the wake of Cambridge Analytica, CatholicVote/Steve Bannon, etc. but obviously election cycles alone aren't enough to sustain that business I thought the issue was that they had so much personal information, not that they found a way to wield it effectively?
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One source of wage suppression in the US in tech is blacklisting employees between companies. It came out awhile ago that a few major companies had agreed not to poach each other's employees. I know because I get swept into the class action lawsuit. I made something like 1,500 out of it. I suspect I was specifically suppressed but was never told as such. All I know now is I can't seem to leave my company because everybody is so worried all I can do is electrical engineering automation crap. They ultimately won.
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Vulture Culture posted:This is also debatable in the wake of Cambridge Analytica, CatholicVote/Steve Bannon, etc. but obviously election cycles alone aren't enough to sustain that business The stuff that Cambridge Analytica was doing was actually illegal. That's a crucial difference between them and the adtech people. Rocko Bonaparte posted:All I know now is I can't seem to leave my company because everybody is so worried all I can do is electrical engineering automation crap. They ultimately won. If the companies were working together to prevent senior people from moving around, I'm not sure how different the hiring market would look.
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ultrafilter posted:The stuff that Cambridge Analytica was doing was actually illegal. That's a crucial difference between them and the adtech people. Ah, the "it’s technically legal" defence.
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ultrafilter posted:If the companies were working together to prevent senior people from moving around, I'm not sure how different the hiring market would look. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_Litigation we're still downstream of this BS
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ultrafilter posted:The stuff that Cambridge Analytica was doing was actually illegal. That's a crucial difference between them and the adtech people. CCPA is a stiff penalty and will completely have jurisdiction NYPA will be the proper death penalty. Private right of action, comparable penalty. There will be individual people who will make 10, 20 grand out of cannibalizing the adtech places and once that secret gets out it will be glorious mass individual bloodshed
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Pollyanna posted:I guess I just don’t believe the dotcom crash won’t happen again. I need to be prepared to lose all of my job opportunities at any time, because there’s no such thing as job security these days. Conceptually I get it - software is in fact eating the world - but I, too, can't escape this sentiment.
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JawnV6 posted:what "if" they loving wrote it down Yeap and I was in that pile.
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What always bothered me most was that a company that at the start clearly said "don't be evil" went along with this. Looking at google nowadays just makes me sad.
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Keetron posted:What always bothered me most was that a company that at the start clearly said "don't be evil" went along with this. Looking at google nowadays just makes me sad. I once went to a restaurant with a sign out front that said "GOOD FOOD", imagine my surprise when it was actually not. My experience has been that any company that claims something that should be dead obvious is doing the exact opposite of their claim.
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In large companies, even your specific job is the one thing you don't do.
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Keetron posted:What always bothered me most was that a company that at the start clearly said "don't be evil" went along with this. Looking at google nowadays just makes me sad. The reason that statement emerged is specifically probably because employees were doing evil, and a meeting was held "hey, I hear we are doing evil. That's not good for publicity, let's stop doing it." When you should get really scared is when you have a company who has a paragraph long statement indicating that the purpose of the company is to contribute value to society and that in no way shape or form do we ever accept bribes or sexually harass people.
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The company I work for has "We do things the right way" Guess what we don't do 80% of the time.
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The Fool posted:The company I work for has "We do things the right way" "We do things the right way for our shareholders" FTFY
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We had an internal hackathon last week and yesterday was presentations. One guy went up and said “I started an anonymous salary survey, here’s the link.” He knew exactly what he was getting into (he gave the CTO a few hours notice) but management is not happy.
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raminasi posted:We had an internal hackathon last week and yesterday was presentations. One guy went up and said “I started an anonymous salary survey, here’s the link.” Holy poo poo lol that's a baller move
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I hope that guy's ready to exhaustively document all of his communications and interactions with management from here on out. I kind of feel like anonymous salary reports should be mandatory, to be honest. Force every company, regardless of size, to report on things like average salary; force companies of size > X to report on salary broken down by various demographics (age, race, gender, experience level, title) where X is chosen such that it preserves anonymity.
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My favorite part about Glassdoor's "anonymous" salary ranges was when I discovered that, if there's only one person reporting a salary for a given title, they still show a range, but the number you entered is exactly in the middle of it, making it perfectly obvious who reported the salary.
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At previous company I worked at the "Company Champion" was offering a whole 200g bar of Dairy Milk for doing a [no, it's totally not in supervised conditions] Glassdoor review. Pretty sweet deal I thought
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Keetron posted:What always bothered me most was that a company that at the start clearly said "don't be evil" went along with this. Looking at google nowadays just makes me sad. "Don't be evil" ... "Wait we're an advertising company LOL"
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Che Delilas posted:"Don't be evil" They started as a search company, adwords came later. Now they are just another lovely advertising company, masked as a search company that more or less cornered the market for search and has a huge mobile platform to use for better advertising. Still, makes me sad what happened to the internet.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I kind of feel like anonymous salary reports should be mandatory, to be honest. Force every company, regardless of size, to report on things like average salary; force companies of size > X to report on salary broken down by various demographics (age, race, gender, experience level, title) where X is chosen such that it preserves anonymity. Welcome to Norway!
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raminasi posted:We had an internal hackathon last week and yesterday was presentations. One guy went up and said “I started an anonymous salary survey, here’s the link.”
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Are you the one that started the survey?
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The Fool posted:Are you the one that started the survey?
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Keetron posted:"I am not experienced enough in this sprint thing to comment on it." Questions like this during one-on-ones are totally by the book there's no reason to assume some dastardly ulterior motive. Why is everyone so drat cynical?
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:Questions like this during one-on-ones are totally by the book there's no reason to assume some dastardly ulterior motive. Why is everyone so drat cynical?
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Vulture Culture posted:It takes a thief Also true.
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Have any of you guys worked exclusively as a part time contractor/self employed? I've been out of school 7 years and I feel myself getting burnt out. I've got 4-5 years left on my student loans, part of me wants to switch careers but part of me says "lol and do what". I was thinking compromise and just take short contracts, nothing longer than 3 months. Renovate an old van and just work remotely from wherever in the US. My main concern would simply be being able to find short term contracts when I need them. Then assuming I can, what sort of work are those contracts typically like? I can't figure out what sort of job might be like "Yea we need another body, but only for a month or two"
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Sab669 posted:Have any of you guys worked exclusively as a part time contractor/self employed? I haven't done that, but I might suggest just changing jobs first before you go independent. It's possible you're just surrounded by assholes and don't know it.
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This is my third programming job. One was a tiny, 7-person company dealing directly with clients. Another was for an international bank, and my current is for a leading medical (EMR) company. So I feel like I have decent exposure to different "schools" of the industry (tiny, small, huge companies). I do enjoy actually programming, but I'm not ultra competent* and I have little stomach for everything else that comes with it: reading & parsing requirements docs, all the meetings, QA, just...everything lol * Definitely some imposter syndrome, but also I know my theory & skillset just aren't that good which has prevented me from getting better jobs.
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Sab669 posted:This is my third programming job. One was a tiny, 7-person company dealing directly with clients. Another was for an international bank, and my current is for a leading medical (EMR) company. So I feel like I have decent exposure to different "schools" of the industry (tiny, small, huge companies). Try a midsized software company that isn't trying to 'scale', EMR while it seems like it should work like a software company generally doesn't.
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Sab669 posted:I'm not ultra competent* and I have little stomach for everything else that comes with it: reading & parsing requirements docs, all the meetings, QA, just...everything lol Sab669 posted:* Definitely some imposter syndrome, but also I know my theory & skillset just aren't that good which has prevented me from getting better jobs.
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Sab669 posted:This is my third programming job. One was a tiny, 7-person company dealing directly with clients. Another was for an international bank, and my current is for a leading medical (EMR) company. So I feel like I have decent exposure to different "schools" of the industry (tiny, small, huge companies). I do enjoy actually programming, but I'm not ultra competent* and I have little stomach for everything else that comes with it: reading & parsing requirements docs, all the meetings, QA, just...everything lol this is like 90% of your time as a solo contractor
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If you just want to sit in a quiet room and code, you're not going to find that at basically any company unless you manage to convince them you're a prima donna rockstar dev. Software development requires teamwork which requires coordination which requires non-coding activities.
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Sab669 posted:My main concern would simply be being able to find short term contracts when I need them. Then assuming I can, what sort of work are those contracts typically like? I can't figure out what sort of job might be like "Yea we need another body, but only for a month or two" I look for say a 6-month contract every year, goal is to tour around in a VW campervan and chillax. Even better to have maintenance contracts for regular bill payment. Finding underpaid stuff is easy.
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