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Mad about romances It's clear that fire emblem has failed. It's time to revive advance wars.
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Jul 23, 2019 22:06
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Endorph posted:He almost definitely has aptitude or some other similar skill.
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Jul 23, 2019 22:07
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Grapplejack posted:Mad about romances
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Jul 23, 2019 22:08
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Add romances to advance wars
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Jul 23, 2019 22:09
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Did you miss the news about there being zero actual m/m supports E: alois's m/m s-rank ends with you marrying a woman because gay men are gross
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Jul 23, 2019 22:09
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Yeah, that's roughly what people were guessing Lysithea's DEF was. There was a comparison screencap a few days ago of them at lvl 19 or so, still with the same value there as it had been at lvl 1.
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Jul 23, 2019 22:13
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Jawdins posted:Add romances to advance wars i have been shipping lash and sonja since uh...whenever 2 came out, romance is already in the game
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Jul 23, 2019 22:26
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Grapplejack posted:Did you miss the news about there being zero actual m/m supports What about lynhardt
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Jul 23, 2019 22:34
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Raserys posted:What about lynhardt His m/m support is just the f support with the pronouns changed, he doesn't get any different dialogue Even Niles, as terrible as he was, at least got custom lines. You get nothing this game.
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Jul 23, 2019 22:43
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Grapplejack posted:His m/m support is just the f support with the pronouns changed, he doesn't get any different dialogue Rhajat did too in the original text, localization changed it.
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Jul 23, 2019 22:48
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I'm just going to go full volcel in my playthrough then if I can't have a buff gay anime husband. 
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Jul 23, 2019 22:51
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Grapplejack posted:His m/m support is just the f support with the pronouns changed, he doesn't get any different dialogue the alois thing esp. seems like something where it'd be a non-specified gender in jp and then the translator changed it to a woman with no context. again, totally possible it isn't, but i'd really want to see the japanese text here.
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Jul 23, 2019 22:52
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If anything the bait and switch with alois forcing you to marry a woman is the most hosed up part of this
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Jul 23, 2019 22:53
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Fire Emblem Three Houses - The 'S' Stands for Straight Bros
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Jul 23, 2019 22:55
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If this is actually true it needs to turn into a massive shitstorm. It’s ridiculous. (but may yet not be true)
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Jul 23, 2019 22:56
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Grapplejack posted:If anything the bait and switch with alois forcing you to marry a woman is the most hosed up part of this
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Jul 23, 2019 22:56
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like its entirely possible intsys made a hosed up choice here but we only have an english textdump and treehouse are the same fine people that made rhajat into a lesbian stalker and changed the lesbian in xenoblade chronicles 2 so that she didn't explicitly say she was gay, even though in the japanese she was explicitly saying she was gay im pretty sure xbc2 was treehouse anyway, if its not the rhajat thing was still pretty hosed up
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Jul 23, 2019 22:58
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I'd be pretty surprised of Alois' ending was a localization change because I can't see any scenario where anyone goes "hey what if, actually, instead you married a woman" and then everyone approves it. In contrast Niles & Rhajat may have just been the same as their Female/Male counterparts respectively in localization ((& honestly i thought the niles/corrin support was nice enough I didn't even know about the changes until seeing the talk about it) but you still like had a romance and married them and the game acknolwedges it as such
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Jul 23, 2019 23:07
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i mean i cant see any scenario where anyone goes 'hey what if we took a support that actually engaged with homosexuality in a fairly earnest way and then made it about stalking' and then everyone approved it, but that one actually happened but yeah iunno. either way non-romantic s supports are just an utterly bizarre concept even ignoring everything else and that combined with the other students only having a supports but still having paired endings kinda speaks to them probably being all over the place with regards to romantic stuff in this game. It's stupid but even if it's as written I'm not really like, mad about it, I guess? If Alois was literally the only one in the game I'd care but Linhardt's around so it at least passes the 'the developers don't hate gay people enough to forcibly bar them from the game completely' benchmark which is frankly all I care about or expect with this stuff. Though if they're gonna make an S support non-romantic, make that explicit somehow, like bring back the A+ support indicator from Fates, but there's romantic A supports between the students, so iunno. Endorph fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Jul 23, 2019 23:09
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There's straight up dubstep in the soundtrack it appears.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:09
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It's be less bad if the game wasn't awash with lesbian romances. The message they're sending is very clear.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:15
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Grapplejack posted:It's be less bad if the game wasn't awash with lesbian romances. The message they're sending is very clear. the lesbian romance options kinda suck too, there's no cool teachers or anything and arent the rhea and sothis ones also non-romantic Endorph fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Jul 23, 2019 23:18
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Endorph posted:i mean i cant see any scenario where anyone goes 'hey what if we took a support that actually engaged with homosexuality in a fairly earnest way and then made it about stalking' and then everyone approved it, but that one actually happened That seems like them not thinking about how the stalker male support played into the stalker lesbian archetype, just that they could reuse the already written romantic support. Maybe even see it as "fine" because Tharja was the same way (just minus the S Rank) in awakening. The (lazy) woke homophobia, as you say. This would feel more like active spite. Based on Fates' precedent I'd just assume Alois would have 1:1 the female byleth support & paired ending, with the pronouns changed and maybe a line here or there, but from the sound of things that's not what is going on, right?
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Jul 23, 2019 23:21
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There's still three romantic options to the m/m's one. It's not like m/m has cool teachers either.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:22
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rannum posted:I'd be pretty surprised of Alois' ending was a localization change because I can't see any scenario where anyone goes "hey what if, actually, instead you married a woman" and then everyone approves it. Wasn't adult adoption often a beard thing in feudal Japan?
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Jul 23, 2019 23:22
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Rhea and sothis are romantic, and some of the f/f female supports can end up in romantic relationships. None of the males can.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:23
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LostRook posted:Wasn't adult adoption often a beard thing in feudal Japan? Grapplejack posted:Rhea and sothis are romantic, and some of the f/f female supports can end up in romantic relationships. None of the males can.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:24
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Endorph posted:Yeah it super was. That's the one ending I actually read the text dump for, and it's about as explicit as Ike's paired endings. Which means how romantic it is depends on the context of the supports and will likely attract people saying no homo for years because marriage wasn't explicitly mentioned.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:25
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hopeandjoy posted:That's the one ending I actually read the text dump for, and it's about as explicit as Ike's paired endings.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:26
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Endorph posted:so 'explicitly romantic unless you're a gamefaqs poster' Look, here it is: WARNING, THIS IS UNIRONICALLY THE REAL ENDING (barring things coming up that are easier to see in game than in text dump). (if you're worried about plot spoilers, there aren't any other than "there is a war in the game".) After the war, Linhardt and Caspar abandoned their noble houses to pursue a carefree journey wandering the world. They traveled to every corner of Fódlan, and even ventured abroad now and again. Caspar got into trouble at every turn on their travels, but Linhardt was always there, begrudgingly, to get him out of it. The records of their adventures were immortalized in a book by an anonymous author, entitled "The Thousand Roads and Seven Seas." It is said they did eventually settle down, after the events in those stories, but where they actually went is unknown. So yeah it's decently explicit considering it's basically the exact same as Ike and Soren/Ranulf's endings.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:30
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Yeah endorph you're right I should be content with the scraps IS give us
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Jul 23, 2019 23:30
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Nevertheless, Linhardt is the only actual gay option while Edelgard, Dorothea, and Mercedes all exist for f!Byleth. Don't get me wrong, I am willing to marry all these girls, but it's not the same at all.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:32
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Heads up, a couple units you get for free without needing to meet their stat requirements depending on gender and which house you're in. So according to someone who got their copy early, he recruited Sylvain and Leonie by just talking to them. The trick was, this only works with Sylvain if you play as Bylass and Leonie with Bylad. In the Black Eagles it doesn't matter, but if you play as a girl in the Blue Lions and as a guy in the Golden Deers, you are losing a free unit. Gameplay wise their personal abilities do support this, since they are the same with the roles reversed. -from someone
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Jul 23, 2019 23:32
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Grapplejack posted:Yeah endorph you're right I should be content with the scraps IS give us Meaningful gay representation was never going to be in a major AAA video game made by a bunch of straight people, and what's here is like, up-and-down but at least has some angles, so I'm whatever about it. That's all I'm saying. You are free to feel another way about this. I just don't think the developers are active homophobes, just people kind of prodding at stuff they don't really understand. It does not feel like they hold any actual malice for any sexuality, unlike, like, Atlus. Which is about as much as I hope for when it comes to stuff like this in mainstream video games. Endorph fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Jul 23, 2019 23:32
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like maybe I'm the odd one out because all the solutions people propose (everyone is bi) sound even worse to me than the current state of affairs.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:36
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Yeah sorry I got snippy with you it's just that they've been talking up the relationship part so to have it be this barren sucks
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Jul 23, 2019 23:41
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Grapplejack posted:Yeah sorry I got snippy with you it's just that they've been talking up the relationship part so to have it be this barren sucks Like my feelings on this have basically been an even wavelength of 'eh, whatever.' the entire time. Endorph fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Jul 23, 2019 23:47
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otoh im extremely hype to read all the mercedes/annette fanfiction
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Jul 23, 2019 23:48
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Endorph posted:im pretty sure xbc2 was treehouse anyway, if its not the rhajat thing was still pretty hosed up It was Nintendo of Europe, who also are bad for that sort of thing.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:54
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Endorph posted:Eh, I don't think any of the game's actual promo material has really mentioned Byleth romance at all, it's been focusing on the student/teacher relationships. We didn't even know S supports existed until like a month ago. And they haven't mentioned the gay stuff as any kind of promotional thing at all. That's what I mean when I say it's kind of a vestigial feature. if they were out here doing the rounds about meaningful gay rep I'd be way madder, mind, but it's clearly just thrown together - not just the gay stuff, but a lot of the romance stuff in this game, especially Byleth's involvement in it - so I can't really spare much anger for it. Especially since I'm of the opinion that the avatar shouldn't even exist and if they do exist should only be able to romance like, six-seven characters total. I guess to add on to this, Nintendo has brought attention to same-sex relationships exactly once (so far as I know) and it was to US Gamer as just confirmation that they could say aloud. https://www.usgamer.net/articles/confirmed-fire-emblem-three-houses-has-same-sex-romance-options twice if you count Japan doing a follow up https://japanesenintendo.com/2019/07/19/nintendo-of-japan-comment-on-same-sex-relationships-in-fire-emblem-three-houses/ which also, I think, is the only time they've brought up romance as a thing that happens outside of embargo lifted reviewers showing off support screens in passing? So basically just "yeah they exist".
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Jul 23, 2019 23:56
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