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Jobbo_Fett posted:Do you think backers realize that there are people out in the world that love to watch bad movies, specifically because they are bad, and get much laughter and enjoyment out of it, yeah? In the not-too-distant future -- Next Sunday, A.D. -- Also, i can’t muster up any hate. I get amused, particularly at the constant ship sales, but it’s not my money. It’s theirs. Do you think they get that? That them throwing money on a bonfire of vanities is actually funny, and that they throw on more money when they want to own the normies?
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Do you think backers realize that there are people out in the world that love to watch bad movies, specifically because they are bad, and get much laughter and enjoyment out of it, yeah? Actually I am here because I like a good scam and a good shitshow. I don't really care about SC "the game", it just looks crap, but so do a million other games. Main difference being their budgets.
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Jul 24, 2019 13:43
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It's almost as if they refuse to believe that people can ask for money and yet fail to do things.
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Jul 24, 2019 14:03
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Do you think backers realize that there are people out in the world that love to watch bad movies, specifically because they are bad, and get much laughter and enjoyment out of it, yeah? 
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Jul 24, 2019 14:05
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Could someone explain what happened with the Crytek lawsuit to someone who is an idiot and terrible at understanding legal procedure and reading legalese? Crytek has to pay CIG 500k but for what? And what happens from here? And if this was already explained upthread, could I just get a friendly link? I’m not lazy, just on mobile and on a train so I can’t easily look myself.
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Jul 24, 2019 14:07
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I can't deny that at one point space court sounded like it would be provide some funny moments. Maybe it still is going to next year, but for too long it's been a nothingburger after another. It's actually going to be funnier if Crytek gives up, so that the backers get to celebrate as Crobbear slaps a public beta tag to the steaming pile and dumps it in their lap next year.
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Jul 24, 2019 14:15
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AbstractNapper posted:I can't deny that at one point space court sounded like it would be provide some funny moments. Maybe it still is going to next year, but for too long it's been a nothingburger after another. Until there's actually a verdict or settlement it's unlikely to. Instead we'll just see a lot of nerds reading entirely too much into confusing procedural legal stuff. I've just been ignoring it.
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Jul 24, 2019 14:23
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Crytek has to pay CIG 500k but for what? And what happens from here?
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Jul 24, 2019 14:24
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AbstractNapper posted:They are not paying CIG. They provide a "bond" to prove that they can cover the court expenses and / or damages in case they lose or something. that's it? those shitbags on reddit were acting like this was some kind of slam dunk
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Jul 24, 2019 14:26
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Could someone explain what happened with the Crytek lawsuit to someone who is an idiot and terrible at understanding legal procedure and reading legalese? Crytek has to pay CIG 500k but for what? And what happens from here? CiG basically suggested in a 'motion to bond' that Crytek was on it's uppers and would be unable to pay costs if the lawsuit failed. Under California law you can request that money be held in escrow if there is a reasonable chance that the plaintiff can simply walk away. CiG came up with an estimate of $2 million as their estimates of cost. The court agreed with the overall point, but suggested that if Crytek was suffering financial trouble, then the bond could make the situation worse, and it might remove their access to the court (this was actually the intention). So they reduced the amount to half a million dollars. From here, there's an assumption that Crytek will post the required bond, and we'll proceed to jury trial; we also had the Settlement conference last week, and both parties declined to settle. I'm expecting complaints about the discovery process at some point. CiG is trying to make the whole thing go away, and it's being quite stubborn so far. AbstractNapper posted:I can't deny that at one point space court sounded like it would be provide some funny moments. Maybe it still is going to next year, but for too long it's been a nothingburger after another. Kinda. Ortwin is very, very active in the case, but he's not actually representing. The whole motion to bond has been vaguely hilarious in legal terms. I don't quite know what you're expecting from the court. Asmodai_00 posted:those shitbags on reddit were acting like this was some kind of slam dunk They pretty much always do. It was a rebuke by the court.
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Jul 24, 2019 14:38
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Asmodai_00 posted:those shitbags on reddit were acting like this was some kind of slam dunk They think that either Crytek can't afford to pay the bond and will drop the suit, or they have convinced themselves that CIG can't lose and the bond is a taste of what CIG will be awarded.
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Jul 24, 2019 14:50
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Asmodai_00 posted:that's it? Dude, they've said that EVERY loving TIME.
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At first they said Crytek wouldn't have any good lawyers They brought in Skadden (and now someone else equally terrifying or whatever) Then reddit said they wouldn't even make it to court So Crytek made it to court Then reddit said that it wouldn't matter because the judge would see right through the bullshit and something something affiliated with space so slam dunk! The judge ruled there might be a case and both parties should present an argument Then reddit saw CIG (at the time, now renamed to simply CI) "rebuke" Crytek's claims and the world was saved But the judge told CIG to cut that poo poo out and they would proceed with the case Then there were talks about discovery and merits of the argument and again, Reddit was high fiving eachother and promoting it like they'd already won (in a similar way as to whenever CI But Crytek is still moving along, posted a bond, and we are that much closer to an actual case and seeing CI crash and burn. But everything's fine and a slam dunk, this internet lawyer on youtube that hasn't shown me his credentials, and has no prior experience with this sort of major case told me all about how Cloud Imperium was gonna win. Then I gave the youtube man 15 dollars and he said my name on his live stream and told me Chris Roberts was uber handsome !~.~!
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Jul 24, 2019 15:12
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Virtual Captain posted:lol The way i see it is CIG made lots of promises about what they were going to do without knowing how to do it or even if it was possible. They then got lots of funding from people based on those promises who unwavering believe that CIG can deliver. Sunk Cost Galaxy.
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Jul 24, 2019 15:16
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Spacecourt discourse on reddit is a never ending loop of idiots screaming that crytek is cryrekt at another group of idiots screaming that Chris Roberts is going to rot in gitmo. It was funny at first and will almost certainly be funny in the end (one way or the other) but right now it sucks poo poo.
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Jul 24, 2019 15:23
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Sanya Juutilainen posted:"...so strap-on in and..." Containers with objects that stream; be careful what you watch. Virtual Captain posted:lol 'R&D', that's literally 'research and development', you know, the thing that Intel does, or GlaxoSmithKline, or Nestlé. Hey CI
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Beet Wagon posted:Spacecourt discourse on reddit is a never ending loop of idiots screaming that crytek is cryrekt at another group of idiots screaming that Chris Roberts is going to rot in gitmo. Yeah, the refund sub has got way too silly recently. I mean silly not in a good way. It used to be silly in a good way.
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Can anyone tell me who the pluckiest commando in the 'verse is? Also what the gently caress that means?
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Tinfoil Papercut posted:Can anyone tell me who the pluckiest commando in the 'verse is? Also what the gently caress that means? His name is Buford Barkenberger and he has trichotillomania.
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So it's time for a yearly dive into the swamp that is SC. This year I've been lured by the PC Gamer article that said that Star Citizen is no longer a lawless frontier due to a recent update. But reading the last few pages I can only find information on the lawsuit and I strongly doubt the still paid off PC Gamer would even cover that. Did CI
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Beet Wagon posted:but right now it sucks poo poo. It's a bit like the sports team supporters believing that their support has an effect on the abilities of their sports team. This is actually a jury trial, so it's literally up in the air until twelve ordinary people make a decision as to whether CiG used a game framework in bad faith. I comment how I'm feeling about it, but I make it clear that it's my feels. Likewise, anyone attempting to say that they know how this thing will play out should avail themselves of gentleman's bets. Money on the wood is good, money out of sight causes fights.
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Jul 24, 2019 16:48
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https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.696437/gov.uscourts.cacd.696437.59.0_1.pdf Now that the Motion For Bond has been granted, does the above mean that CIG have to supply all requested Discovery items to the Court by August 27th, assuming Crytek pay the $500k within next 30 days?
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Jul 24, 2019 16:58
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Quavers posted:https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.696437/gov.uscourts.cacd.696437.59.0_1.pdf No. There are still two cases: a) Crytek pays the bond fast (like within three days). Then from that day, CI has 30 days to deliver discovery. b) Is irrelevant now. c) Crytek pays the bond past 28th July. Then CI has until 27th August to deliver discovery.
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Sanya Juutilainen posted:No. There are still two cases: Cool, so August 27th is the absolute latest. And this Discovery would have to be everything Crytek asked for? Or some of it, along with a filing from CIG saying "we're not submitting XYZ because reasons"? Or just a list of the items CIG are willing to provide?
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I don't believe I've commented on spacecourt before, but it always seemed like something of a reach from Crytek. I think the only thing they've got some potential on is the bit about supplying bugfixes back to Crytek. I don't know anything about how damages would be applied if they won on that but it doesn't sound very lucrative. This is probably just going to end up being a waste of time and money for both sides.
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Kikas posted:But reading the last few pages I can only find information on the lawsuit and I strongly doubt the still paid off PC Gamer would even cover that. Did CI Mainstream gaming press has been avoiding SC like the plague, giving CR the benefit of doubt and at the same time avoiding kickback from the toxic community. CI has changed their marketing strategy by breaking up with Turbulent, taking the web site internal and funding I doubt any of the  idiots are paid, directly or indirectly, by the Calder funds.
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Fidelitious posted:This is probably just going to end up being a waste of time and money for both sides. Or maybe you should listen to Moma and agree space court will result in a 10mil nothingburger.
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"Stupidly impressive" Hmmmmmm *looks in mirror behind him* "Impressively stupid" Whaaaa!  (yes I know that's not how mirrors and letter work)
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JugbandDude posted:by breaking up with Turbulent, taking the web site internal Huh? When did that happen?
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Fidelitious posted:This is probably just going to end up being a waste of time and money So, nothing new for CIG or backers then.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Do you think backers realize that there are people out in the world that love to watch bad movies, specifically because they are bad, and get much laughter and enjoyment out of it, yeah? Not to mention, like, its soooo crazy for goons to follow this game and make fun of it for years. But you don't question why its taking so so many years in the first place? You couldn't mock most games this long because they'd already be out. Also, its somehow not crazy for them to obsess about the game for just as many years?
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Hav posted:In the not-too-distant future -- I don't hate, I just feel a mix of pity and sadness that such wrongness exists and also gets so much funding while talented artists get ignored. Its exactly how I feel about Scientology, except they're less dangerous than scientologists, so even more pity.
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Zaphod42 posted:Not to mention, like, its soooo crazy for goons to follow this game and make fun of it for years. No see undying love and support for a thing is a sign of beauty, love, and respect. I learned this from the MAWHNGHA I read about teenagers in school.
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Zaphod42 posted:Not to mention, like, its soooo crazy for goons to follow this game and make fun of it for years. I don't think they question at all. Star Citizen is successful because of people who don't have second thoughts or any kind of distance from the stuff they do. They just do it and never look back, never try to learn from anything they do.
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Bofast posted:It will be in the pipeline once they finish building their new horse pipeline. These things take time, you know. Holy gently caress, I don't even want to think about how much they will charge for horse armour.
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"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXd1wVijqw RIP Rutger Hauer.
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Kikas posted:I don't think they question at all. Star Citizen is successful because of people who don't have second thoughts or any kind of distance from the stuff they do. They just do it and never look back, never try to learn from anything they do. Yep. Same with cults. Or at least, by the time they start to have second thoughts, they're far too invested. I was reading an article recently about how Mormons who go door to door aren't actually intended to get people to convert, its more a way to get the people who do it to identify more with the church. By having non-church people tell you to get lost day after day, you start to think of yourself as separated from the rest of the community and the only other people like you are the other believers, it forces you into an "us vs them" mentality. I think Star Citizen's got a whoooooole lot of that going on. Its sunk cost fallacy but it goes past that too. Like, once you've given thousands of dollars to Star Citizen, not only are you sunk cost into thinking that throwing more good money after bad is somehow a good idea, but there's some cognitive dissonance where you're not willing to admit you got suckered, so you have to keep believing in the lie and even keep donating if only to maintain the lie to yourself that you weren't wrong. Which then gets displaced as anger towards the non-believers, its their fault I'm looking like a fool, if they'd just stop hating on the project it'd succeed already!
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