Alkydere posted:

My opinion is...

I can't stop laughing!

Edit: Seriously, literally "Desert Storm..I mean Crusade!" just they did a visual find-replace to switch out the rifles with bows and an LMG emplacement with some crazy auto-firing crossbow (I know they exist but that dude's gotta be loving Hercules to recock it that fast that many times). Complete with the city looking like it's been shelled with modern artillery and the crossbow bolts knocking chunks out of masonry. Oh and the armor looks like Tactilol webbing! It's so gloriously dumb and I love it!

Fly Molo posted:

If one of those planes had instead been hit and accidentally Kamikazi’d a Japanese battleship, would that have actually done significant damage to one? Or were they too armored to hurt without armor piercing shells, torpedoes, etc.?

Fly Molo posted:

Hypothetical counterfactual question: during the Battle off Samar, ~200 avengers & wildcats launched with inappropriate weapons for battleship attack, and had to drop antipersonnel bombs, do dry runs, fire handguns, etc.

If one of those planes had instead been hit and accidentally Kamikazi’d a Japanese battleship, would that have actually done significant damage to one? Or were they too armored to hurt without armor piercing shells, torpedoes, etc.?

PittTheElder posted:

I think the whole point of naval AP rounds is penetrating power, which a wooden or aluminium plane can't possibly have against battleship armor. So probably no more effective than what they did.

Fly Molo posted:

Hypothetical counterfactual question: during the Battle off Samar, ~200 avengers & wildcats launched with inappropriate weapons for battleship attack, and had to drop antipersonnel bombs, do dry runs, fire handguns, etc.

If one of those planes had instead been hit and accidentally Kamikazi’d a Japanese battleship, would that have actually done significant damage to one? Or were they too armored to hurt without armor piercing shells, torpedoes, etc.?

Fly Molo posted:

Hypothetical counterfactual question: during the Battle off Samar, ~200 avengers & wildcats launched with inappropriate weapons for battleship attack, and had to drop antipersonnel bombs, do dry runs, fire handguns, etc.

If one of those planes had instead been hit and accidentally Kamikazi’d a Japanese battleship, would that have actually done significant damage to one? Or were they too armored to hurt without armor piercing shells, torpedoes, etc.?

PittTheElder posted:

Don Gato posted:

Tangential, but the area on the Missouri that was hit by a kamikaze has been turned into a small memorial that talks about the story of the pilot behind the kamikaze attack. It was something unexpected I came across when I last went on the ship. There's also an exhibit belowdecks with letters sent by kamikazes to their families which no exaggeration almost made me cry in public.

PittTheElder posted:

FuturePastNow posted:

Whereas putting any kind of hole in a carrier's flight deck disrupted its operations.

SlothfulCobra posted:

I would like the thread's opinion on this Very Realistic fight scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTRwpDhhHvA

Fly Molo posted:

Hypothetical counterfactual question: during the Battle off Samar, ~200 avengers & wildcats launched with inappropriate weapons for battleship attack, and had to drop antipersonnel bombs, do dry runs, fire handguns, etc.

If one of those planes had instead been hit and accidentally Kamikazi’d a Japanese battleship, would that have actually done significant damage to one? Or were they too armored to hurt without armor piercing shells, torpedoes, etc.?

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Why do all modern Robin Hood movies want to be shot-for-shot rips of World War 2 movies

Like poo poo, just reset Robin Hood in occupied France and have the sheriff of Nottingham be an SS officer

Fangz posted:

Define significant.

You can kill everyone on the bridge
You can set off torpedoes stored on the decks
You can jam the rudder

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Why do all modern Robin Hood movies want to be shot-for-shot rips of World War 2 movies

Like poo poo, just reset Robin Hood in occupied France and have the sheriff of Nottingham be an SS officer

FrangibleCover posted:

Further:
You can set fire to the aircraft hangar
You can destroy a fire control position
You can bring down a mast and hinder communications
You can bring down a funnel and reduce the ship's speed
You can unseat a secondary battery turret

But what you will do is plonk harmlessly onto an unimportant area of the ship and deal no worthwhile damage. Maybe torch a 25mm AA position.

Mr Enderby posted:

It's been such a long time since we had a Robin Hood film that was just about a bunch of guys living in a big camp in the woods and getting into scrapes. I want to see a version of Robin Hood where it's just "Robin Hood, Little John, and Will Scarlet go on an adventure to rescue Maid Marian from the Sheriff of Nottingham's dungeon. Meanwhile Friar Tuck tricks the Bishop of Hereford out of a prize cheese, and Alan-a-Dale sings a song about a bee.

Don Gato posted:

Tangential, but the area on the Missouri that was hit by a kamikaze has been turned into a small memorial that talks about the story of the pilot behind the kamikaze attack. It was something unexpected I came across when I last went on the ship. There's also an exhibit belowdecks with letters sent by kamikazes to their families which no exaggeration almost made me cry in public.

HEY GUNS posted:

That's kind of...the way to treat your enemy, I guess. Lord have mercy.

SeanBeansShako posted:

a Japanese officer and his batman half asleep nearby witnessed wounded dying Japanese soldiers getting their gold teeth rock crushed out their skulls by Burmese seeking a quick buck. They awoke to horribly throaty death rattles.

Also their attempts to cross that river are downright depressing. All the armies in that campaign really had some terrible low points along with the people of the country. And yet it barely gets talked about.

Nessus posted:

Probably because of a lack of archival footage to endlessly recycle but I want to hold up for a moment here: A Japanese officer and his what exactly?

Jobbo_Fett posted:

You want really depressing South-East Asia stuff? Read Singapore's Dunkirk: The Aftermath of the Fall by Geoffrey Brooke.



Hard book to get through if you don't like some horrifying stuff happening to civilians and people trying to escape the advance of the Japanese.

Nessus posted:

Probably because of a lack of archival footage to endlessly recycle but I want to hold up for a moment here: A Japanese officer and his what exactly?

quote:

Recently, in calmer moments, I find my thoughts returning continually to you and our soon-to-be-born child. Please take good care of your health.

When we first arrived at our base in Kyushu, there was a sudden change in plans, and we were all ordered into special attack units. I expected to depart at any moment. Every day, as I waited for my first, and last, attack, I reread the letter you wrote the day you made the jelly and gazed at the photos of you and Sister Etchan.

Surprisingly, my heart was perfectly at peace-as though another me were gazing upon the me that was so calm.

But orders, for better or for worse, changed again, and I was assigned to another squadron and given other duties. We made two sorties to Okinawa; the first was completed without incident, and I returned without doing anything especially heroic.

Mr. Hagiwara, who visited us the other day, asked about you. Try not to be upset, but he was shot down the day after he arrived.

Now, more than ever, the fleetingness of human life astonishes me, but I have become a much stronger person. You too must be strong. Wait for me. I will return without fail. Until you’ve safely given birth to our child, I have no intention of dying easily.

quote:

Dear Mother and Father, Brother and Sister,

End of autumn. The backyard must be filled with the cries of insects, as it is every year around this time. My heart is full to bursting with memories of the many evenings we spent talking together. I suppose you are all somewhat concerned about how I’m doing.

During my visit home in May, Sister said to me, “Ever since you joined up, Mother has been setting meals before your photograph. She’s given up drinking tea, and every evening she visits the shrine to pray for you.” I was so moved that I was unable to thank her. Mother really wore herself out at the farewell party the night before I left to join my unit. She was so busy preparing for my departure that she didn’t sleep at all the night before.

And on my sun flag, she wrote HAPPILY WAITING FOR A RETURNING CHILD. Whenever I can, I gaze at those four noble characters for the nourishment they give my soul. The fighting has become extremely intense, and there is no guarantee of my safe return. The image of all those poor school kids and everyone else singing war songs and waving a sea of flags as they saw us off to the front is burned indelibly into my mind. I firmly believe in the benevolence of the Emperor and of our parents. Mother seems to be growing weaker by the day. Brother and Sister, you will have to give her the love that I cannot.

Please forgive my impiety; I pray for the continued good health of you all. The three photo albums I sent the other day are keepsakes for Brother and Sister. Please don’t worry about me. When you hear of my death, be happy for me, for I will have achieved my ambition.

Goodbye

quote:

Mother,

I truly have caused you only trouble for a long time. In addition to being undutiful to you in various ways, now again I will not even take care of you. Please forgive my prior lack of filial piety.

Last fall you surely were worried when I chose the Navy Air path. Using common sense, there were several other paths with little danger. Regarding the path of service to the country, perhaps those would have been adequate. However, as for this country of Japan, great numbers of us splendidly have obtained shining glory only after we have endured endless sorrows and griefs. Moreover, precisely because of this, hereafter Japan will be a country that flourishes. I have been able to advance and take this honorable path without any regrets precisely because I believed you to be a strong mother who has made this country of Japan prosper splendidly by valiantly enduring these sorrows. Even though I was able to go forward on the path of a warrior who will repay the country in some little way, it is primarily because of you, Mother.

You can say with pride that I went to a glorious death in the honorable Navy Air way and performed some little service.

I will be content with beautiful white clouds in the skies as a grave marker. Now I go to die for the Emperor and for the mountains and rivers of my beloved Japan.

So long.

quote:

Now I depart. I have no regrets. Father, Mother, Older Brother, and Older Sister, I hope for your happiness.

I will go without my military uniform. Since there is a brand-new one in the wicker suitcase, please take that for the family and send the old one to Toshiko's place. I ask that you certainly do this. When you find out about my death in battle, I think that it is fine if you call the family together one time and pass around my last letter and other things. Grandmother, Ryōchi, and Kazuko, everyone please take care. Japan certainly will win. I am glad that I have obtained a place to die for the country's prosperity.

With a refreshed spirit like the sky, a little while remains for me to feel this way. Farewell

quote:

Dear Yoshinori,

I am leaving this letter for you, Yoshinori.

In the spring of the fifth year of the Greater East Asia War, I will die as the 23rd Shinbu Squadron Commander of the honorable Special Attack Corps.

Even though it is regrettable that I will not see you grow up since I am going away, I will watch over you as I live for an eternal cause.

Please obey your mother, study hard, and become a good Japanese man as a child of the Emperor.

In the future when you grow up, it is fine to do whatever you desire. Please as my child go forward so to not be dishonorable in any way.

Your mother has shown great concern for you. Not forgetting her compassion, become a fine person and show devotion to her.

You should take care of yourself and be healthy in both spirit and body.

From Father
March 9, 1945

PittTheElder posted:

E:

SeanBeansShako posted:

I have a few books about the cluster gently caress that was Singapore and Hong Kong falling and goddamn they only allude to the suffering in them.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Don’t look up what happened to the commonwealth nurses that didn’t get evacuated.

The poo poo they went through was officially covered up by the Australian (and maybe British?) government so as to not gently caress morale and only admitted to like last loving year or so.

SeanBeansShako posted:

Yeah I always feel sad for those kids, it is an incredibly lovely fate.

Speaking of unlucky Japanese soldiers, reading about the Burma campaign during the last stages of one of their armies retreat and regrouping phases to cross the Irrawaddy how a Japanese officer and his batman half asleep nearby witnessed wounded dying Japanese soldiers getting their gold teeth rock crushed out their skulls by Burmese seeking a quick buck. They awoke to horribly throaty death rattles.

Also their attempts to cross that river are downright depressing. All the armies in that campaign really had some terrible low points along with the people of the country. And yet it barely gets talked about.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

My theory is that Burma was so absolutely universally depressing and devoid of any sort of glory or purpose such that everyone just wanted to ignore it and move on after the war

TK-42-1 posted:

It’s just yet another in a long line of anachronisms made to resemble what the general populace is familiar with rather that historically accurate portrayals. People have been doing this since at least the middle ages.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

You're not wrong...

chitoryu12 posted:

Straight up stormtroopers with semi-automatic assault crossbows and a riot cop scene. And they dressed the Sheriff of Nottingham like this:

mllaneza posted:

That outfit is sharp as gently caress, although how he got it dry cleaned in the middle of a siege is the biggest anachronism in the whole movie.

Alkydere posted:

It really depends on where it hits. Hit on the deck, especially coming down at a steep angle, and you might do damage since the decks aren't as well armored against plunging attacks. Also there would be lit avgas everywhere and therefore fires which is never a good thing at any time. Probably not sinking damage but risking actual damage to the ship.

Come in horizontally and it depends on what you hit. Superstructure's armored but not nearly as much as the hull and you could smash the bridge but that's a tricky shot (especially if you're screaming in terror because you just had a wing shot off). Hit the armor belt and...


You might as well be Wile E. Coyote for all the good you'll do.