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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Chilichimp posted:I didn't realize I was being asked to defend media narratives. Then why are you?
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SKULL.GIF posted:Then answer this: why are billionaires vastly more comfortable with Warren as the candidate? are they actually? like, do you have some sort of data?
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Jul 24, 2019 21:30
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Chilichimp posted:Please bear in mind this slapfight started because someone ITT decided that being the plans person was bad. Well now Bernie is the plans person and it's now good? I thought he was the class struggle rhetoric guy and plans were for nerdy girls? Mockery of the idea largely stems from the fact that her characterization as "the plans person" is not an accurate characterization in the context of this primary, and it plays into a narrative (as echoed by Weigel in that tweet) that implies that plans are "Warren's thing" while "Sanders' thing" is more just rhetoric. There's also the fact that having plans is not valuable unless those plans are good, and I can think of two of Warrens' plans of the top of my head that are straight-out bad in ways that should make one question her broader judgement. Democrazy posted:If you don’t want people over a certain age to change their politics, that’s an odd position to take in relation to electoral politics. I want people to evaluate their beliefs and to grow and ultimately end up in a better place than they started, but that’s just me. Are you aware that Warren is running for President of the United States and not "a person who I could perhaps be friendly with"? It's okay to have standards as high as "was not a Republican in the 90s as a grown-rear end adult" in this situation. It also means that, as we progress into the future and circumstances change, she can't be relied as much to adapt to those circumstances as someone who has a previously demonstrated record of having been on the "right side" of issues before they became relatively mainstream.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:31
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Democrazy posted:I’m merely pointing out the logical conclusion of the point. If she is of bad character for changing her views, then the she should not have edit: How are u posted:I voted for George W Bush in 2004 in my first eligible election because I was a dumbshit who didn't know poo poo about anything, and now I hope to see Bernie win and usher in glorious socialism. twodot fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jul 24, 2019 |
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Jul 24, 2019 21:31
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Chilichimp posted:I'm gonna go ahead and assume that "vastly" is doing a lot of legwork in post, Now you're just being obtuse. This doesn't remotely line up with most of the recent sampling of the wall street commentariat
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Jul 24, 2019 21:33
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Democrazy posted:I’m merely pointing out the logical conclusion of the point. If she is of bad character for changing her views, then the she should not have changed her views, so the argument goes. You're not good at reading people's posts and responding to them. Whether that's a comprehension thing or just being disingenuous isn't really that interesting
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Jul 24, 2019 21:34
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Ytlaya posted:Are you aware that Warren is running for President of the United States and not "a person who I could perhaps be friendly with"? It's okay to have standards as high as "was not a Republican in the 90s as a grown-rear end adult" in this situation. It also means that, as we progress into the future and circumstances change, she can't be relied as much to adapt to those circumstances as someone who has a previously demonstrated record of having been on the "right side" of issues before they became relatively mainstream. Who has shown an ability to adapt? The person who re-evaluated their beliefs, or the person who, according to the people in this thread, has never once engaged in the soul searching required to change your beliefs as radically as she has? It would be insulting for someone to question the faith of a convert to a religion over the course of journey of faith. Likewise, I believe it to be demeaning to both Warren and to much of America to insist that changing your political beliefs over the course of decades is somehow dishonest or untrustworthy.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:35
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twodot posted:Lots of people are dumb and do dumb things, and if I personally knew you, I wouldn't hold this particular dumb thing against you. But if you were to run for President of the United States of America, and someone in the race had a history of not doing the dumb things you did, do you see how that might affect people's perceptions of whether you would make the beset President of the United States of America? Absolutely, that's why Bernie is the best choice in the field. I'll still 100% campaign for and put my shoes on the ground for Warren if she beats Bernie for the nom.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:37
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Democrazy posted:Who has shown an ability to adapt? The person who re-evaluated their beliefs, or the person who, according to the people in this thread, has never once engaged in the soul searching required to change your beliefs as radically as she has? You don't actually know for sure whether Warren has changed her beliefs or how much, hth. How are u posted:Absolutely, that's why Bernie is the best choice in the field. Well OK, but why is this relevant when we're talking about the primary in the primary thread?
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Jul 24, 2019 21:39
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It doesn’t even make any sense from a perspective of current politics, because you are trying to reach out to others with different beliefs and convince them to join your side. How does denigrating someone for changing their beliefs accomplish that?
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Jul 24, 2019 21:39
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Of course it boils down to the dumb thing where people prefer the story of improvement over that of consistently being in the right.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:40
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Democrazy posted:Who has shown an ability to adapt? The person who re-evaluated their beliefs, or the person who, according to the people in this thread, has never once engaged in the soul searching required to change your beliefs as radically as she has? Agreed, Bernie has never supported a political ideology that loving sucks, therefore he must never be President
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Jul 24, 2019 21:40
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Warren and Sanders in Temecula
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Jul 24, 2019 21:41
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Oh Snapple! posted:Of course it boils down to the dumb thing where people prefer the story of improvement over that of consistently being in the right. "that dumb thing" 
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Jul 24, 2019 21:42
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Failed Imagineer posted:Agreed, Bernie has never supported a political ideology that loving sucks, therefore he must never be President You can support Sanders and not attack Warren for growing in her political beliefs from where they were in the 90’s.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:42
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Chilichimp posted:Warren and Sanders in Temecula Biden, when the polls fell
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Jul 24, 2019 21:43
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Democrazy posted:You can support Sanders and not attack Warren for growing in her political beliefs from where they were in the 90’s. Look at my post on the last loving page dude Failed Imagineer posted:Lol you've literally bought wholesale into a single slogan - "I Have A Plan For That" and are now busy embarrassing yourself stanning for a woman who was a Republican into the 90s.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:44
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Failed Imagineer posted:Biden, when the polls fell 
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Jul 24, 2019 21:44
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Democrazy posted:You can support Sanders and not attack Warren for growing in her political beliefs from where they were in the 90’s.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:45
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Chilichimp posted:I'm gonna go ahead and assume that "vastly" is doing a lot of legwork in post, because I'm certain they're "vastly" more comfortable with Biden, Buttigieg, and Harris. We're still talking about a TOP TEN candidate list, man. the dave weigel (or as like someone likes to say davey wavey wiggle wiggle wumwum) tweet is completely benign. it’s vague enough where people can easily interpret it to mean whatever they want, for example: this is why warren is cool and good and a serious candidate unlike bernie. oddly enough, all of the people with donuts in their handle all came to the same conclusion you did. weird.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:46
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twodot posted:I agree this isn't forbidden by the laws of physics, but why would a person choose to do this? A Sanders supporter presumably believes Sanders is better than Warren, highlighting the differences that favor Sanders is just sound strategy. Because it discourages people from changing their beliefs into better beliefs.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:47
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Phone posted:oddly enough, all of the people with donuts in their handle all came to the same conclusion you did. weird. The fact that people still do the donut thing is the longest continuous cringepost since Uillilillia
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Jul 24, 2019 21:47
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Failed Imagineer posted:Look at my post on the last loving page dude I’m not saying you hate Warren, I’m just saying that the line about Warren’s beliefs in the 90’s is a bad line. That’s the long and short of it.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:48
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Democrazy posted:Because it discourages people from changing their beliefs into better beliefs. I doubt this realistically happens. I've gotten poo poo multiple times from morons on this site for being a former Republican, but knowing that wouldn't have changed my path to not being a drat Republican anymore.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:48
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Democrazy posted:Because it discourages people from changing their beliefs into better beliefs. Much like asking people to be less racist makes them even more racist-er
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Jul 24, 2019 21:49
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Democrazy posted:Because it discourages people from changing their beliefs into better beliefs. Ah yes, the approval of a buncha goons sure is the deciding factor for whether someone is going to try self-improvement or not.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:49
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Failed Imagineer posted:The fact that people still do the donut thing is the longest continuous cringepost since Uillilillia What does the donut in handle reference even mean?
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Democrazy posted:Because it discourages people from changing their beliefs into better beliefs.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:50
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Democrazy posted:I’m not saying you hate Warren, I’m just saying that the line about Warren’s beliefs in the 90’s is a bad line. That’s the long and short of it.  Democrazy posted:You can support Sanders and not attack Warren for growing in her political beliefs from where they were in the 90’s. If you're gonna be this lame you could at least edit your posts on this very page or something
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Jul 24, 2019 21:50
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Democrazy posted:I’m not saying you hate Warren, I’m just saying that the line about Warren’s beliefs in the 90’s is a bad line. That’s the long and short of it. It’s relevant, so deal with it. If you don’t want to feel like you’re going out of your way defending a presidential candidate who used to be a republican until the 90s, then uh... don’t?
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Jul 24, 2019 21:50
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twodot posted:Evidence for this? Like are you imagining there is a Republican out there that is about to start believing people shouldn't be starved to death, but then they read my post, and decided that to impress me personally they are instead going to remain consistent in being pro-starvation? I mean... I was a republican. I voted for Bernie in 2016. I voted straight ticket democrat in 2018. I'm probably voting for Bernie in 2020. Don't pretend no one can be saved from indoctrination by exposure to positive ideas and a little bit of time (and patience).
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Jul 24, 2019 21:52
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Chilichimp posted:What does the donut in handle reference even mean? It means nothing
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Jul 24, 2019 21:52
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The reason to choose Sanders over Warren in this specific context is that Sanders is likely to remain steadfast and constant in his convictions, whereas we have no idea to what degree Warren has changed her core beliefs or what her core beliefs actually are. Sanders has 40 years of public service and progressive action... Warren has... uh... some plans. Its also very likely that Warren fundamentally believes in reformed capitalism as the only viable economic system.Democrazy posted:Because it discourages people from changing their beliefs into better beliefs. There's no evidence for this.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:54
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liberals love warren's "i have a plan" line and gobble it up wholesale its a super fast way to get back to liberal ideology: maintaining plausible deniability of the horrors of the world
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Jul 24, 2019 21:55
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Chilichimp posted:I mean... I was a republican. I voted for Bernie in 2016. I voted straight ticket democrat in 2018. I'm probably voting for Bernie in 2020. Are you saying that you reading posts ITT is going to revert your straight back into a GOP supporter, or is your reading comprehension simply failing your here?
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Jul 24, 2019 21:55
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Chilichimp posted:I mean... I was a republican. I voted for Bernie in 2016. I voted straight ticket democrat in 2018. I'm probably voting for Bernie in 2020.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:56
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Failed Imagineer posted:Much like asking people to be less racist makes them even more racist-er I don’t think this is a valid comparison. Racism is something that affects every single one of us in this white supremacist society. No one (certainly no white person) can credibly claim to always and forever not have to check in with themselves on race.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:56
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Phone posted:It means nothing It's literally gloating about being centrists and thus "insiders" , in contradistinction to Bernie supporters like Nina Turner, referencing a weird incident when the DNC tried to sort-of placate a pro-labor protest with donuts and bottled water. I don't doubt the origin had been obscured for most people, but it's still the imprimatur of centrist lib smugness. Also, it is meaningless and dumb, and learning this has cost you braincells
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Jul 24, 2019 21:56
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other posters doing poo poo I get locked up for a week for, just because of the systemic anti-Marianne bias of this moderation team, that's really neat, super cool poo poo LK nice job. lock yourself inside of a rose quartz orb and think about what you're doing with your life.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:59
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Democrazy posted:I don’t think this is a valid comparison. Racism is something that affects every single one of us in this white supremacist society. No one (certainly no white person) can credibly claim to always and forever not have to check in with themselves on race. I was just mocking your baseless supposition by reference to a another baseless supposition that's also currently popular with the "change isn't possible" moderate intelligentsia
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