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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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twodot posted:Evidence for this? Like are you imagining there is a Republican out there that is about to start believing people shouldn't be starved to death, but then they read my post, and decided that to impress me personally they are instead going to remain consistent in being pro-starvation? This isn’t necessarily about the post on somethingawful.com, which are all irrelevant, it’s about the merits of a particular line of attack and thinking behind that attack. If you attack people and say that they can’t be trusted or are feebleminded because they at one point held different views, I think the natural outcome is to discourage people to change their views. I think we should welcome people who change their mind to the better.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I was just mocking your baseless supposition by reference to a another baseless supposition that's also currently popular with the "change isn't possible" moderate intelligentsia And I was saying that it wasn’t a valid comparison.
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Jul 24, 2019 22:03
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Democrazy posted:And I was saying that it wasn’t a valid comparison.  Anyway, you gonna retract the bit about me attacking Warren?
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Jul 24, 2019 22:04
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Democrazy posted:This isn’t necessarily about the post on somethingawful.com, which are all irrelevant, it’s about the merits of a particular line of attack and thinking behind that attack. If you attack people and say that they can’t be trusted or are feebleminded because they at one point held different views, I think the natural outcome is to discourage people to change their views. I think we should welcome people who change their mind to the better. This is tantamount to mandating gullibility, just FYI.
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Jul 24, 2019 22:06
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If you say that Warren can’t be trusted or is dumb because of views she held in the 90’s, I believe that’s an attack, even an attack against someone you may otherwise like.
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Jul 24, 2019 22:06
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we are literally all going to die because neolibs can't stop jacking themselves into a frenzy long enough to acknowledge that they are wrong, they have always been wrong, the results they have gotten have paved the way for fascist ethnic cleansing and mass sexual abuse and murder, and the best thing you can say for it is, "we didn't mean for it to end up like this, we're sorry", the truth is it's not just Warren, but basically every centrist liberal scumbag that should have been told to shut the gently caress up and get out of the way feels entitled to their Hillary and Nancy and Chuck and Barack assed "it's my turn to say the responsible optics words!!!" pablum ego stroke session. Cowards, all of you. None of you are free from centrism, and it will devour you, personally, from the inside like a cancer, and at the same time you've doomed your nation, species, and biome. good job
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Jul 24, 2019 22:07
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crazy cloud posted:we are literally all going to die because neolibs can't stop jacking themselves into a frenzy long enough to acknowledge that they are wrong, they have always been wrong, the results they have gotten have paved the way for fascist ethnic cleansing and mass sexual abuse and murder, and the best thing you can say for it is, "we didn't mean for it to end up like this, we're sorry", the truth is it's not just Warren, but basically every centrist liberal scumbag that should have been told to shut the gently caress up and get out of the way feels entitled to their Hillary and Nancy and Chuck and Barack assed "it's my turn to say the responsible optics words!!!" pablum ego stroke session. Cowards, all of you. None of you are free from centrism, and it will devour you, personally, from the inside like a cancer, and at the same time you've doomed your nation, species, and biome. good job perhaps the real battle is the battle between centrism and leftism in our own hearts
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Jul 24, 2019 22:09
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Democrazy posted:If you say that Warren can’t be trusted or is dumb because of views she held in the 90’s, I believe that’s an attack, even an attack against someone you may otherwise like. drat, never thought of it that way...
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Jul 24, 2019 22:10
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Democrazy posted:This isn’t necessarily about the post on somethingawful.com, which are all irrelevant, it’s about the merits of a particular line of attack and thinking behind that attack. If you attack people and say that they can’t be trusted or are feebleminded because they at one point held different views, I think the natural outcome is to discourage people to change their views. quote:I think we should welcome people who change their mind to the better. edit: Like if the argument were "Calling my friend a former Republican at dinner parties is uncomfortable and really not helping" I would get that, but Warren's not your friend, and this isn't a dinner party. twodot fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jul 24, 2019 |
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Democrazy posted:If you say that Warren can’t be trusted or is dumb because of views she held in the 90’s, I believe that’s an attack, even an attack against someone you may otherwise like. You're still responding to the imaginary tiny posting man in your head, not to anything I've written
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Jul 24, 2019 22:11
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Typo posted:perhaps the real battle is the battle between centrism and leftism in our own hearts the centrist/liberal has no heart
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Jul 24, 2019 22:18
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Jul 24, 2019 22:49
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Democrazy posted:If you don’t want people over a certain age to change their politics, that’s an odd position to take in relation to electoral politics. I want people to evaluate their beliefs and to grow and ultimately end up in a better place than they started, but that’s just me. I want people to change their politics from "gently caress minorities, kill all poors" to having basic morality and empathy. But I don't think that doing that is some kind of impressive accomplishment that signifies that someone should be rewarded by ascending to national office - especially if it comes without ever really acknowledging the horrific evils of their previous views. Moreover, there's an important point that's getting lost here: Warren isn't asserting that she's changed her views. It's likely that she has, but you have to go digging and interviewing her longtime friends to find that out, because she doesn't advertise it. Instead, she implies that she didn't change her views, and that it's the GOP that changed by abandoning their Reaganite principled conservatism in the 90s and becoming devotees of Big Capitalism instead. Let's look at one interview quote about her change of parties: quote:I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And I feel like the GOP party just left that. They moved to a party that said, “No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away. Moreover, the GOP's economic policies aren't the only reason we hate Republicans here. There's also the racism, misogyny, homophobia, hatred for immigrants, hatred for non-Christians, desire to impose Christian religious beliefs on American law, aggressive foreign policy and military adventurism, pro-privatization policy, brutal criminal justice practices, constitutional abuses, and much much more. The GOP backed all those things while she supported them, but Warren's never talked about any of those having any impact on her changing parties.
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Main Paineframe posted:But I don't think that doing that is some kind of impressive accomplishment that signifies that someone should be rewarded by ascending to national office - especially if it comes without ever really acknowledging the horrific evils of their previous views. This is possibly the most important part; Warren has never really expressed an understanding of how bad it was to be a Republican even in the 80s/90s. Chilichimp posted:I mean... I was a republican. I voted for Bernie in 2016. I voted straight ticket democrat in 2018. I'm probably voting for Bernie in 2020. And I think it's fair to question the judgement of someone who was not able to realize that being a Republican is bad until they were in their 40s. And that includes you if you're old enough for your Republican time period to include post-college adult life. Remember, we are discussing people running for Literally President of the United States. She is running for a position responsible for millions of lives. It makes perfect sense to be strict when it comes to evaluating candidates for that position (assuming you actually understand that politics is something with real consequences, which I'm not entirely sure many liberals do). Democrazy posted:This isn’t necessarily about the post on somethingawful.com, which are all irrelevant, it’s about the merits of a particular line of attack and thinking behind that attack. If you attack people and say that they can’t be trusted or are feebleminded because they at one point held different views, I think the natural outcome is to discourage people to change their views. I think we should welcome people who change their mind to the better. You don't get brownie points just for being a not-poo poo person, and anyone who is willing to stop being decent because others won't praise them for it never stopped being lovely to begin with. This is like the people who arguing that the US ending slavery shows its moral righteousness. Part of seeking forgiveness for bad things is realizing that its other peoples' choice whether or not to forgive you. Being a bigot, or holding similarly toxic views, is not something a person has the right to demand others forgive them for. It's a completely different question as to whether they should be punished, but they absolutely don't deserve a praise for merely "not being a piece of poo poo."
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Jul 24, 2019 23:16
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Craptacular! posted:The Democrats had old racists hanging around into the Bush years. The Republicans has Strom, of course, but the flip of the southern racists didn’t really come around until Reagan as lots of older people in the northern cities (because, again, there were lots of lovely racists in Union territory as well) moved south due to lower rents and the standard of air conditioning making living there tolerable. And I mentioned Shelby, who changed to Republican in 1994. This is completely ahistorical. The Republican party started to become the party of racists with the civil rights movement and by 1980 was firmly established as such. In the South, by the 70s this was already the case. A few racist dems during the Bush years changes nothing. A self-identified Native American voted for Reagan twice despite the party being openly racist.
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Chilichimp posted:Idk, maybe. Her plans don't improve poo poo though, is the thing. It's all just deck chairs on the titanic Like look at her rent proposal from a couple weeks ago. Absolute loving dogshit the minute you look at it for two minutes but it's a plan so it must be good.
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Main Paineframe posted:Note the implication there that the GOP used to be good about economics and protecting the little guy, and that they changed and became the party of big finance instead and that's when she stopped supporting them. Hell of a thing to be thinking in 1996, over a decade and a half after the Reagan Revolution. that statement is completely baffling. she's a 70 year old woman from oklahoma. the republicans have been the party of the cigar-sucking banker who foreclosed on your granddaddy's farm her entire life
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Jul 25, 2019 00:43
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Chilichimp posted:What does the donut in handle reference even mean? Dems tried to buy off Nina turner at I think the DNC with donuts and water. Donut Twitter is people who think that was fine and good.
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Jul 25, 2019 01:15
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Chilichimp posted:Why did somebody copy paste Bernies post history? Gosh could it have anything to do with posters itt uncritically parroting the idea that he has no plans, only rhetoric?
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Dems tried to buy off Nina turner at I think the DNC with donuts and water. Donut Twitter is people who think that was fine and good. To expound slightly, they locked her out and gave her some donuts and water as a "go away" thing. The donut twitter poo poo then literally began as folks who thought this was actually incredibly good and also very polite on their part in the face of an ~uppity black woman~. Like I poo poo you not, it was initially described by the folks putting it on as them being kind, classy, hospitable folks who will be nice and give you donuts even if they don't like you. Like some dumb permutation on "they go low, we go high" poo poo. Oh Snapple! fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 01:20
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cold take but Bernie Sanders is gonna be the Democratic nominee and then the President https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1154165361945673728?s=20
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Jul 25, 2019 01:42
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bernie bribing people with insulin in exchange for their vote, a shameful display
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Jul 25, 2019 02:03
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Grouchio posted:Any good news since the first debate? Bernie Sanders is taking a bunch of people to Canada to get the medicine they need to live
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Democrazy posted:If you don’t want people over a certain age to change their politics, that’s an odd position to take in relation to electoral politics. I want people to evaluate their beliefs and to grow and ultimately end up in a better place than they started, but that’s just me. I want them to change their politics but that doesn't mean I prefer them as President to someone who was fighting for the right thing all along even when it wasn't popular to be right
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Jul 25, 2019 02:26
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Grouchio posted:Any good news since the first debate? Biden has tumbled from a commanding lead to just a clear one. The rest of the news is bad.
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VitalSigns posted:I want them to change their politics but that doesn't mean I prefer them as President to someone who was fighting for the right thing all along even when it wasn't popular to be right Yeah; I feel like Democrazy's attitude about this kinda reveals that he doesn't really appreciate how bad some of those views are and the real harm they cause, because his analogy falls apart if you compare it with other harmful beliefs or actions. There's a big difference between "doing good things" and "stopping doing bad things." The former often deserves praise, but the latter is just what should be expected of people (and anyone who is unwilling to do so without praise was never good to begin with).
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Chilichimp posted:Why did somebody copy paste Bernies post history? Because it doesn’t count as a plan unless you post it on medium.
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Joe bidens wife: oh hunny youve been just so depressed since Obama left office you should get out there and run for president
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crazy cloud posted:we are literally all going to die because neolibs can't stop jacking themselves into a frenzy long enough to acknowledge that they are wrong, they have always been wrong, the results they have gotten have paved the way for fascist ethnic cleansing and mass sexual abuse and murder, and the best thing you can say for it is, "we didn't mean for it to end up like this, we're sorry", the truth is it's not just Warren, but basically every centrist liberal scumbag that should have been told to shut the gently caress up and get out of the way feels entitled to their Hillary and Nancy and Chuck and Barack assed "it's my turn to say the responsible optics words!!!" pablum ego stroke session. Cowards, all of you. None of you are free from centrism, and it will devour you, personally, from the inside like a cancer, and at the same time you've doomed your nation, species, and biome. good job the discussion is over is it is time to take action. only disingenuous shitlibs and conservatives want to keep a discussion going to obfuscate meaningful progressive agendas and action to continue moving goal posts. the debate is over the people have spoken largely in favor of their demands and want to see it pressed upon to ensure a better way forward for the future, in a time where resources and wealth are the most abundant in human history and it is all being stolen and controlled. stop mincing, stop talking. it is over. time to DO SOMETHING.
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Terror Sweat posted:I will never trust a reaganite
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progressive:] climate change is real, and it is caused by the fossil fuel industry. Debate over. shitlib centrist:] well actually there's other things so we shouldn't really progressive:] debate over. The science is there, it is time to reduce emissions and transfer to clean energy shitlib centrist:] but not all clean energy is good you know becaus- progressive:] debate over. it is time for medicare 4 all, healthcare is a human right and we need abolish private healthcare industry shitlib centrist:] but people will lose their jobs, and we will lose money and not everyone wil wan- progressive:] debate over. medicare 4 all has shown that not only it saves money, it creates a surplus from the taxes and the lack of a leech source where americans can spend their money elsewhere will boost the economy of other industries and the american people are in favor of it. end of discussion. shitlib centrist;] well u kno progressive:] end. of. discussion. putting into action.
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Jul 25, 2019 04:16
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this is debate and discussion, not dismiss and deploy
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Jul 25, 2019 04:17
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Calibanibal posted:this is debate and discussion, not dismiss and deploy not under President Bernie https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1154090116001886208 End of Discussion 
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Lastgirl posted:the discussion is over https://twitter.com/dril/status/247222360309121024?s=20 Lastgirl posted:not under President Bernie This is a very bad gimmick and no one in this debate and discussion thread is saying those dumb things you're saying. You stood up a whole row of straw men to knock over because you're mad at "liberals?" ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkk Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Can I count on you to vote for Bernie Sanders? I think he would be a good president as a foot in the door for the younger generations to follow through in positions of government where they can help distribute the wealth, repair the institutions that enforces systemic sexism and racism such as ratifying the ERA and legalizing weed and erasing criminal records of marijuana possession.  I feel the other democrat candidates have weaker positions that will deflate turnout due to apathy and will continue to appease to republican ultimatums and reduce the quality and intent of original policies meant to replenish the working class and reinvest in our domestic infrastructure after two deliberately failed wars with the intent to expand the DoD budget continuously to feed the MIC in order to seize and control foreign resources of oil and poppy to be imported back in the form of pollution and opioid deaths. They are also in pursuit of proving that the money they have earned and been given was well earned because of meritocracy and exceptionalism which doesn't spur confidence or a healthy worldview to tackle the modern issues we face today. Under a Harris Presidency we will see the expansion of the police state at the behest of corporatism which will fracture american families and atomize communities beyond repair. Under a Biden Presidency we will see more stringent patrician policies (daddy knows best, pipe down kids) designed to maintain the status quo but appeal to the liberal fantasy of a return to thirdwayist normalcy without the  constantly being turned into a foghorn  and resume a meritocracy of failsons and faildaughters (that Joe can sniff) of the elites and leave the majority of americans in the lurch, ensuring further radicalization down the road.Even if you disagree, whoever your preferred candidate is, I hope we can be civil about this instead of slinging angry words and reach a compromise to ensure the best quality candidate goes forward that aligns with the american people's interests in order to secure the nomination after passing rigorous standards set forth by the terminally online, and the offline together. After all we, not the donor class have the bigger say so in this democracy and they will listen. I am open to hearing the merits of other candidates minus the two that were mentioned, Harris and Biden. If I may be candid to not waste our times, might as well include the rest of the field with the exception of Marianne Williamson, Andrew Yang, and Bernie Sanders in pursuit of an honest and stimulating debate on their pros and cons. Thank you. 
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